Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

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  • #921
I think Melanie knows exactly where those kids are, she was in tight with lori and I think in on the plan to do away with hubby, I just can't believe otherwise, I think she continues to remain loyal to lori

I would like to know what the plan was.for chad and lori.if she hadn't been arrested, were they just gonna hang out in Hawaii till their money ran out, by this time they had killed everyone with.life insurance?

Oooh, what if Ian and Zulema have policies and they were next? But it all backfired when:
BB didn't get killed, TD's body was exhumed and AxC's died? MOO. I'm not convinced that is the case, just a random "what if" scenario that popped into my noggin.
 
  • #922
This is an interesting point. We really don’t know anything about their “group” or “cult”. We don’t know how many there are and if martyrdom is a principle they accept and support. I think the emails released of the FBI researching JM and the “group that cannot be named” point to the Feds interest in the extent of both direct involvement as well as indirect support.

We have had some interesting posts here of church members who see these various groups with differing degrees of beliefs out there on SM - but other than AVOW, we haven’t seen anyone aligned publicly behind Chad. In early January, in Thread #6, it was pointed out that the “group that cannot be named” were “freaking out, deleting their website” but AVOW were not.ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #6

I was interested in seeing if there was any relationship between Chad and and Remnant (off-shoot group An offshoot of the Mormon church is drawing away members. But what does the ‘Remnant’ believe — and will it last?) as Chad considers himself a visionary, one who can see through the “veil” but further research points to AVOW considering Remnant apostate. Of note, the founder of Remnant wrote a book in 2006 called “The Second Comforter: Conversing With the Lord Through the Veil”. I can’t help but think Chad was appropriating techniques from this group on how to form his own off-shoot.

So, back to your comment - maybe Chad’s supporters expect and accept martyrs. COVID-19 is playing right into their philosophy. Maybe Chad can and will lead them in their beliefs from his cell in the Idaho State Prison. If he is lucky his cellmate will be a believer. Chad can declare them one of the 144K...

Of additional note if this isn’t already known, http://www.springcreekbooks.com/ is now down.
And the “group that cannot be named” had recommended AVOW as a group

Regardless of anything else, I think/agree that the FBI is probably riveted on this fringe group and taking it very seriously after Waco, Branch Davidians, FLDS, etc. They don't want it growing.
 
  • #923
That would seem to have been why BB said MBP knows where they are. But she denies knowing where they are. And in the likely event that the "safe place" is really some convoluted justification for murder... then MBP may have been unwittingly fooled into thinking there was such a place. And yet, like CD, there is public evidence that MBP was involved in criminal activity and hasn't yet been arrested. This case is truly bizarre in how long it takes to get people in custody. Every week and month that passes, I think, wow, there must be a lot of criminals in the western usa getting away with a lot more. People are posting about how LVD can beat the abandonment charges without producing children. Seriously? As if this case is about abandonment. Sure there is a lot of evidence to sift through, and that will snowball the charges, if the prosecution is competent. If the deaths all become murders, those cases need not be prosecuted at the same time. There can be back to back trials and incarcerations, that should keep LVD inside for life. Even if she is declared legally insane, no way she should set foot in society again. If the FBI thinks this is a huge network of criminal activity, you can't always get everyone. There are often people that are just involved on the fringes, it gets harder and harder to prove their link to the specific conspiracies around the deaths, attempted murders and missing children. I have seen nothing that extends murders, attempted murders or missing children from CD or other "cult" members, that is not directly tied to LVD. For example, I mean if other cult members have a similar pattern in their lives, its not been reported. So, on the wall where FBI puts up photos and draws lines, all I can see is LVD right in the middle. Next to the "queen, or self proclaimed god" is brother AxC (1 confirmed kill, 2 or 3 attempted murders, possibly tied to death of sister(MBP's mother) , 2 other "deaths" which are under investigation, other criminal activity, and then his own mystery death), then CD whose late wife's(TD) fresh corpse was recently exhumed while honeymooning in paradise with new wife LVD. Then MBP, the niece of LVD, who apparently decided to follow LVD as a role model. Then ZP, who as a more curious peripheral "member" marries AxC 2 weeks before his mystery death AND about the same time MBP marries IP in Vegas(not clear if IP is really in the "club" or just another unwitting mark).
Other Family cant be sleuthed, but appears they are estranged and not in the club anyway. BB, ex of MBP, literally dodged a bullet. He is clearly no longer in the club. More recent 2 of LVD's 4 previous husbands are dead(1 murdered by AxC). LVD's 2 children are missing, a few weeks apart for going on 6 months now.

So there appears to be a rapid decline in membership of this club. If there are any other members, missing or dead, please bring it to light. As for the doomsday authors/believers, unless they were involved, or were asked to be involved Criminally (Like MG was asked by CD and LVD to lie to LE about having JJ... Or those who heard CD "predict" TD's death) they don't seem to matter. If there are other deaths, life insurance collected, missing kids in that community it hasn't been reported. Therefore LVD's death/missing club marrying into CD's on/off life as gravedigger and hallucinatory end times profiteer appears to have created a new "cult" that morbidly has an immediate following of supporters (albeit Social Media).


Everything I would like to say and more!
Focused on LVD at the center of it all.
Charles Vallow's estranged wife, Lori Vallow/Daybell, allegedly threatened to kill him, and called herself "God."
in her words to Charles Vallow as quoted by him :
"she could and had an angel there to help her dispose of the body."

SO did she kill him and Alex took the blame?
There are inconsistencies in their statement to police and she does lead the cops toward "self defense" by coloring his character commenting on his temper and describing his anger/ horrible temper (this contradicted by his ex-wife) and "he is alway forgetting things" (about his phone left in the house of which he returned really?, her prints were obviously on it, did he leave it ? or did she take it?)



As pointed out .. If Charles was alive the kids would likely not be missing which is why he IS dead, so they "could/would" go missing.
 
  • #924
Tammy said the person who shot at her "ran off around
the back of my house."

Locals, where do you think the shooter would have parked his vehicle that he ran behind the house? It appears to be a rural area.
I know. Its 3 acres of nothing right? Surrounded by nothing.
 
  • #925
Tammy said the person who shot at her "ran off around
the back of my house."

Locals, where do you think the shooter would have parked his vehicle that he ran behind the house? It appears to be a rural area.
Maybe CD did it, and then ran into the house via a back door, and then came out front as if he was coming out to find out why TD was yelling for his help. After all, it was dark when this occurred, IIRC. MOO
 
  • #926
Maybe CD did it, and then ran into the house via a back door, and then came out front as if he was coming out to find out why TD was yelling for his help. After all, it was dark when this occurred, IIRC. MOO

I've thought of this too; but if @RexburgSleuth knows Chad by his walk, I should hope/expect Tammy would know him by his run.
 
  • #927
They came home from the airport and Lori (I think) introduced the woman they'd picked up at the airport as someone who did podcasts. The babysitter also mentioned the woman didn't seem to have any luggage with her.

<moo>
@renarde do you have any links to this comment?

Didn't they put a tracker on MBP's vehicle IIRC? I bet that's why they let Chad park at the cop shop. Ha ha.

Still wondering what has happened to Tammy's car and if it has ever been properly examined.

I believe it was the Private Investigator hired by BB, LW & KW that put the tracking device on MBP's vehicle. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
  • #928
Are you referring to Melani (Lori's niece, note the lack of -e at the end of her name), or Melanie (the podcaster, with an -e at the end of her name)? Because as far as has been reported Melanie the podcaster has been cooperating with LE, does not seem to know where the kids are, and doesn't appear to support Lori anymore. Just want to be clear so that we're not mixing up identities accidentally.
Just a thought: Melanie the podcaster didn't inform LE until Dec. 6th, even though CD and LVD both called her on the 26th to lie about Tylee and JJ's whereabouts. So back in September, she likely didn't suspect anything yet, and could have been the one that they picked up from airport. Someone else may have pointed this out already. MOO
 
  • #929
We have to remember that there is no Insanity Plea in Idaho!!!
Didn't know that. But 2 deaths are in AZ? And TR vanished possibly outside ID (although until proven otherwise ID should have jurisdictiom). Other crimes in other states too... a lot to answer for.
 
  • #930
JMO, I don't know if he had life insurance, but on or about Feb 20th, ZP filed something with the court I think, that may have been re: any of his assets. Can't quite remember the details, so maybe someone else here can chime in . His employer was mentioned previously, but I can't remember that either, at the moment. Boy, I sure am a big help today. Lol

Edited for grammar and clarification
I remember both those things too about as well as you . :-)
Hopefully someone will remind us all.
 
  • #931
I would like to know what the plan was.for chad and lori.if she hadn't been arrested, were they just gonna hang out in Hawaii till their money ran out, by this time they had killed everyone with.life insurance?
There was still Brandon. I wonder if Lori would have received a portion of his life insurance money for helping Melani?
Chad was being paid for editing a newsletter for the AVOW forum and was talking about returning to that. Maybe he was also planning to write more books. I'm not sure if Lori and Chad would have enough means/income to stay in Hawaii in the long term. Most of all, I don't understand how they expected to get away with disappearing the kids.
 
  • #932
Everything I would like to say and more!
Focused on LVD at the center of it all.
Charles Vallow's estranged wife, Lori Vallow/Daybell, allegedly threatened to kill him, and called herself "God."
in her words to Charles Vallow as quoted by him :
"she could and had an angel there to help her dispose of the body."

SO did she kill him and Alex took the blame?
There are inconsistencies in their statement to police and she does lead the cops toward "self defense" by coloring his character commenting on his temper and describing his anger/ horrible temper (this contradicted by his ex-wife) and "he is alway forgetting things" (about his phone left in the house of which he returned really?, her prints were obviously on it, did he leave it ? or did she take it?)



As pointed out .. If Charles was alive the kids would likely not be missing which is why he IS dead, so they "could/would" go missing.
Adding to the part about CV's phone: LE secured the scene and then LVD and TR return. If CV's phone was in the house, it should have been collected as evidence. I doubt it was though. I think Lori had it, which means it should have been in the vehicle or she discarded it on the way home from dropping JJ off at school. Again, I would hope the vehicle was searched and LE would have found the phone or noted it not being there. Wouldn't you think that knowing where the phone was when LE was on scene would have been a key part? At no point in the bodycam footage do I remember any LE ask where the phone in question is.
 
  • #933
If she harmed the kids and there's not enough proof of that she's much better off keeping quiet. IMO the current charges would lead to a less severe punishment than a plea deal in that case.

Quite likely. It was just the only reason I could think of that the prosecution might even be interested in offering something. Taking the DP off the table maybe.
 
  • #934
Everything I would like to say and more!
Focused on LVD at the center of it all.
Charles Vallow's estranged wife, Lori Vallow/Daybell, allegedly threatened to kill him, and called herself "God."
in her words to Charles Vallow as quoted by him :
"she could and had an angel there to help her dispose of the body."

SO did she kill him and Alex took the blame?
There are inconsistencies in their statement to police and she does lead the cops toward "self defense" by coloring his character commenting on his temper and describing his anger/ horrible temper (this contradicted by his ex-wife) and "he is alway forgetting things" (about his phone left in the house of which he returned really?, her prints were obviously on it, did he leave it ? or did she take it?)



As pointed out .. If Charles was alive the kids would likely not be missing which is why he IS dead, so they "could/would" go missing.
I think its very possible that she retrieved the gun and pulled the trigger. Oddly enough of the 5 people present that day , 2 are dead, 2 vanished and 1 is smiling. Its not clear if LE checked the gun for ballistics or prints. AxC could easily have wiped hers off and put his own on. They had time to wash hands, apparently no one checked for powder. LE simply took AxC's word for it... which is strange in itself. Agree the stories dont add up. No followup by a detective? LE malpractice it seemed. But now there is a real investigation. How would they prove she did it now?
 
  • #935
Just a thought: Melanie the podcaster didn't inform LE until Dec. 6th, even though CD and LVD both called her on the 26th to lie about Tylee and JJ's whereabouts. So back in September, she likely didn't suspect anything yet, and could have been the one that they picked up from airport. Someone else may have pointed this out already. MOO
I wonder what made MG tell LE on the 6th Dec because it had not made the news at all then had it? CD and LVD were in Hawaii for the second time by then.
 
  • #936
I've thought of this too; but if @RexburgSleuth knows Chad by his walk, I should hope/expect Tammy would know him by his run.
Guess it depends on if the shooter was fully visible or ran to the side of the house and car was blocking the view of perp. Or, at the very least, Chad showed the perp, possibly AxC, the property and where wait for her to arrive that night, where to run and hide and whatnot, while TD was in Utah visiting her parents.
 
  • #937
Maybe CD did it, and then ran into the house via a back door, and then came out front as if he was coming out to find out why TD was yelling for his help. After all, it was dark when this occurred, IIRC. MOO
This is really making me laugh although it really is no laughing matter. Poor Tammy. She knows who it is now and I wish she could tell us.
 
  • #938
  • #939
I wonder what made MG tell LE on the 6th Dec because it had not made the news at all then had it? CD and LVD were in Hawaii for the second time by then.


IIRC, Her boyfriend told her if she didn’t tell the cops the truth he would leave her.
 
  • #940
Adding to the part about CV's phone: LE secured the scene and then LVD and TR return. If CV's phone was in the house, it should have been collected as evidence. I doubt it was though. I think Lori had it, which means it should have been in the vehicle or she discarded it on the way home from dropping JJ off at school. Again, I would hope the vehicle was searched and LE would have found the phone or noted it not being there. Wouldn't you think that knowing where the phone was when LE was on scene would have been a key part? At no point in the bodycam footage do I remember any LE ask where the phone in question is.
I remember LE looking for his wallet and I kept thinking it was in CV's rental car LVD used to take JJ to school. I also keep wondering if it was if she may have taken somethings out of it. Does anyone know if/where his wallet was eventually found?
 
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