Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

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  • #941
I wonder what made MG tell LE on the 6th Dec because it had not made the news at all then had it? CD and LVD were in Hawaii for the second time by then.
Perhaps MG has other connections, I'm sure she does, in Rexburg. Perhaps she spoke to CD's kids or someone like Hector, and found out he was in Hawaii and already remarried. Town talk spreads quickly amongst locals. She then felt there was something odd and felt it was better to be safe than sorry and went ahead and reported to LE. MOO
 
  • #942
I felt she had her self planted with an alibi somehow so there would be no issue of her getting the kids. That is why I have a hard time thinking she was the side driver in the shooting. She would know his exercise schedule best, but no one would have anyone following his car! I doubt there are a whole whole bunch of Teslas running around the suburbs of Phoenix..
Her alibi was that AxC was seen on the storage video on the 2nd October so it couldn't have been her and her uncle in Tylee's jeep. So could Tylee have been driving with her uncle instead of MBP and that's why she is missing?
 
  • #943
IIRC, Her boyfriend told her if she didn’t tell the cops the truth he would leave her.
hmmm never heard this. Any confirmed source with this information?
 
  • #944
Her alibi was that AxC was seen on the storage video on the 2nd October so it couldn't have been her and her uncle in Tylee's jeep. So could Tylee have been driving with her uncle instead of MBP and that's why she is missing?
No, because by then Tylee was missing already for 3 weeks.
 
  • #945
i think we are all sleuthing/thinking about poisons, but we just have nothing to go by yet. But do we have any experts here? Are there some toxins/poisons that are really hard to find after embalming. I still go back and forth on Alex----> suicide? or poisoned? In some ways I think it WAS suicide...he just knew how to take more of it to make sure he accomplished the task. Then I start to think someone was directed to off him, and they knew where the poison was, but just didn't know how to administer and overdid it. My mind keeps thinking that Alex's job as a trucker for hazardous waste knew how to find out about chemicals better than most in this group. Except there is a remote connection to JM who is a chemistry teacher. I know, i know...shouldn't say that.. But hopefully when we get to talking about poisons we can
I'll have to go look.

It's more that the kind of person who even tries to stand up and be funny doesn't fit with the mental picture I had of him as a murderous and probably ignorant ****. It appears this is a lot more complicated than it might seem on the surface.

Personally, I wouldn’t watch the clip of AxC doing standup. I watched for a few seconds only and it was so offensive I turned it off and still feel gross for having seen it. I was expecting more loony tunes impersonations or something. It was awful. MOO
 
  • #946
I understand helping families in need when there’s a crisis, birth, death and illness in a family. I guess getting together with fellow church-going members would provide a social outing and an educational experience. Out of curiosity, what type of homemaking does one learn?
It is more like a social activity. Sometimes just a lot of fun to just get together with your friends and do something where you laugh and visit. The enrichment activity Tammy was doing was just basic food prep. In Phoenix I have done Dream Dinners where you go make the meals at a strip mall with friends . Tammy's LDS Ward took the concept and did it at church. Think Pinterest and sharing how to do a hobby . MOO
 
  • #947
I remember LE looking for his wallet and I kept thinking it was in CV's rental car LVD used to take JJ to school. I also keep wondering if it was if she may have taken somethings out of it. Does anyone know if/where his wallet was eventually found?
Yes, I remember this as well. The fact that the phone was brought up as part of the argument prior to CV being killed, you would think that this is crucial evidence. If there was no phone, then someone was lying. How can LE cover their butts on this fact? Unless of course, they haven't released info regarding the phone having been found. If both the phone and wallet are missing, well.....not good, IMO.
 
  • #948
i think we are all sleuthing/thinking about poisons, but we just have nothing to go by yet. But do we have any experts here? Are there some toxins/poisons that are really hard to find after embalming. I still go back and forth on Alex----> suicide? or poisoned? In some ways I think it WAS suicide...he just knew how to take more of it to make sure he accomplished the task. Then I start to think someone was directed to off him, and they knew where the poison was, but just didn't know how to administer and overdid it. My mind keeps thinking that Alex's job as a trucker for hazardous waste knew how to find out about chemicals better than most in this group. Except there is a remote connection to JM who is a chemistry teacher. I know, i know...shouldn't say that.. But hopefully when we get to talking about poisons we can!!!
I would fully expect FBI labs be available in this case. There ways to kill that make it hard for pathologists... but they look a lot deeper when a case is suspicious. The first clue is that the H.S. educated coroner ruled it as natural causes. A goofy vague term that should be eradicated in our modern day. The most "natural" cause of death in the usa is cardiac arrest. But cardiac arrest can be triggered by myriads of things. Electric shock for example... prescription and OTC meds, anaphylactic shock, liver/kidney failure (induced by toxins, which could be wide ranging from natural plant substances, insect/snake/frog venoms, drugs, industrial chemicals, vast possibilities). There is no doubt in my mind that AxC had access to any and every possible means. They may have suffocated her or used carbon monoxide. A lot of things leave no obvious signs. Read some books on witchdoctors, shaman, ninjas, professional mercenaries and methods are endless. Yet pathologists have a process of elimination system to rule out whole groups of possibilities. Its also possible to scare someone into a cardiac event - try proving that in court. AxC used a Taser on TR's father, maybe he had one that didnt leave marks. Repeatedly tasering someone can trigger a cardiac event. As for AxC's own death, I think #1 is drug OD. #2 If it was an unusual toxin, then I have ideas about that. #3 if both TD and AxC died from the same substance that would sure be interesting.
 
  • #949
hmmm never heard this. Any confirmed source with this information?


Oh gosh. Someone help me out here. I know I’ve read this numerous times. Anyone have a link for our fellow WSer? Or can someone else confirm what I said was true, that Melanie Gibb called the cops on December 6th because her current boyfriend told her if she didn’t call the cops and tell them the truth that he would leave her. I’m pretty sure she even sent her kids to stay with her ex hubby because she was scared of the group finding her after she cooperated. MOO
 
  • #950
I tend to agree with you on this. I also think that when he saw how much attention, publicity, and money could be had by selling supposed NDE's (as his published author JR was gaining) he decided to couch his own fictional books as having come from NDE's as well.

The only thing that gives me pause though is his move to Rexburg. What would cause him to pull up roots in Springville and persuade his family to move there of all places? This doesn't seem to make much sense unless he truly believed the call-out narrative (which claimed this area of Idaho, among other places, was supposedly a "safe place" to weather the last days calamities) and wanted to get ahead of the curve by relocating there. Unless perhaps he saw therein a marketable and vulnerable audience to prey upon since others from his group were moving there? I don't know.
His go to source of income was cemetery sexton, the books were a later source of revenue and relied on TR to help run the publishing biz. I thought I read in the timeline that a sexton job is what brought them there. I prefer the term "gravedigger" btw, nothing against people who chose that as a job, just serves as a double entendre for me.
For example, and this might sound snarky, Perhaps the "Gravedigger" knows where the bodies are buried...

Just curious does Idaho allow spouses to be shielded from testifying against spouses? Seems thats a right inferred by the Constitution. I think thats a partial reason for so many instant marriages in this case.
 
  • #951
I don't think AxC commited suicide. But the motive could be that his sister and new bil took off for HI left him in ID, a loveless marriage, new name and a potential murder suspect of potentially 4 people. He could have easily just taken off and disappeared. I don't think he commited suicide.

I am wondering that the same person that killed AxC, killed the children, Tammy and Charles. I think that would explain why everyone was so calm when Charles died. They did not commit or potentially witness the violence. That extra person was not in the police report and left the scene. In fact, on the body cam, the officer asks if they know who that man inside is and AxC quickly gives Charle's name. Was there another man inside at some point that he had to quickly say his name and shut that line of questioning? I am fuzzy on the facts of when Lori and Tylee arrived outside. Were they there during the 911 call? I don't think Tylee even saw Charles on the floor and maybe didn't know he was dead. I think if she saw a dead body, she would have been shaken. Tylee not knowing or fully understanding what happened would also explain Lori acting like it was just embarassing that the police were in neighborhood. Lori had to make it seem like no big deal and may have just told her that he was hurt? It appears that the emergency crews were still there. The demeanor of the officer in the body cam video is light hearted as he knew they did not know there was a death. I think an officer would have acted a little more subdued yet still calm and reassuring. I would think he would even offering counseling services for Tylee. The officer might be just mirroring Lori's demeanor as well and already watching her behavior. The adults might be psychopaths, but Tylee was not due to her brother's description of her. All that to say, I believe there is another suspect. Someone that was not emotionally attached to any of them. MOO
Ok, who? This person is never seen? Is it family? Cult member? Or is there a drug cartel connection? LE has access to everyone's phone records... or did they all use burners tossed regularly when communicating with the invisble man/woman? The talking cult people would know if there are other dark elements in the cult, right? Would like to see some kind of proof others were involved...
 
  • #952
IIRC, Her boyfriend told her if she didn’t tell the cops the truth he would leave her.
Are you sure that's correct? Looks to me like she's married and has been for some time. Perhaps you're confusing MG with someone else? BBM:

"Melanie Gibb is an exuberant friend to everyone she ever comes in contact with. She is an exceptional person who seeks to learn and grow whatever the cost. As a mother of 4 and wife of a busy Chiropractor, Melanie is one of the most approachable women we have ever known. "

https://www.preparingapeople.com/copy-of-conference-tickets-1
 
  • #953
Yes, I remember this as well. The fact that the phone was brought up as part of the argument prior to CV being killed, you would think that this is crucial evidence. If there was no phone, then someone was lying. How can LE cover their butts on this fact? Unless of course, they haven't released info regarding the phone having been found. If both the phone and wallet are missing, well.....not good, IMO.
@Picklepuck no doubt in my mind there was a phone and no doubt in my mind that LV was looking through his phone that morning for the conversation between CV and her brother AdC. What I think happened is CV did in fact contact TD to voice his suspicions as to what was going on. TD then confronted CD and he let LVD know. LVD knew that the email had been discovered and I don't think it was her brother that called her voicing what CV had told him. I think the only reason she found out was from honey boy CD and he was probably panicking that their little affair was found out. I hope this makes sense.
 
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  • #954
Perhaps MG has other connections, I'm sure she does, in Rexburg. Perhaps she spoke to CD's kids or someone like Hector, and found out he was in Hawaii and already remarried. Town talk spreads quickly amongst locals. She then felt there was something odd and felt it was better to be safe than sorry and went ahead and reported to LE. MOO
MG is from Arizona though not Rexburg.
 
  • #955
Here is AC’s stand-up comedy YouTube clip.
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Interesting, some observations:

he is wearing a shirt that’s many sizes too big.
He is definitely a good comic, IMO. I’ve been to many many comedy shows in most major cities in the US. His use of voices is quite good.

Surprised he made jokes of a sexual nature (ie Brittany Spears joke), about religion (found Jesus), and jail time, considering he is a Mormon. I don’t think that would keep you in good standing with the church.

Many good (and successful) comics will tell you that they get their material from real life,,,, sooo interesting

JMO
 
  • #956
Oooh, what if Ian and Zulema have policies and they were next? But it all backfired when:
BB didn't get killed, TD's body was exhumed and AxC's died? MOO. I'm not convinced that is the case, just a random "what if" scenario that popped into my noggin.
Well LE would surely have noticed something by that stage with 5 spouses gone I would hope.
 
  • #957
Oooh, what if Ian and Zulema have policies and they were next? But it all backfired when:
BB didn't get killed, TD's body was exhumed and AxC's died? MOO. I'm not convinced that is the case, just a random "what if" scenario that popped into my noggin.
Well LE would surely have noticed something by that stage with 5 spouses gone I would hope.
 
  • #958
@tresir2012, She is, but she is affiliated with the podcasters that lived in Rexburg. To what extent she was friendly with CD's family, we don't know. Or at least I don't. In no way am I saying she is involved, as I don't think she is. I was just saying I think she is the one they picked up at the airport on Sept 19th. LVD would likely have told her that Tylee was at BYU-Idaho, since she was not seen after the 8th. So no suspicions on MG's part. And JJ was still around that weekend. I think she reported on Dec 6th to LE about LVD and CD asking her to lie about having JJ in AZ with her because she found out that Chad and Lori ended up in Hawaii, and she realized something was amiss.
 
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  • #959
I'm having a ton of trouble with this website loading and posting today, so I'm going to take a break from here for a while. Maybe I will have better luck later. Carry on sleuthers! Look forward to catching up later with all of your wonderful insight!
 
  • #960
IIRC, Her boyfriend told her if she didn’t tell the cops the truth he would leave her.
Was that info published in MSM? I've only seen it in unapproved sources so far.
 
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