Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

[tresir2012]

She is, but she is affiliated with the podcasters that lived in Rexburg. To what extent she was friendly with CD's family, we don't know. Or at least I don't. In no way am I saying she is involved, as I don't think she is. I was just saying I think she is the one they picked up at the airport on Sept 19th. LVD would likely have told her that Tylee was at BYU-Idaho, since she was not seen after the 8th. So no suspicions on MG's part. And JJ was still around that weekend. I think she reported on Dec 6th to LE about LVD and CD asking her to lie about having JJ in AZ with her because she found out that Chad and Lori ended up in Hawaii, and she realized something was amiss.

She already knew they had left town on the 26th when both Chad and Lori asked her to lie. So I don't think there were other podcasters in Rexburg that she knew. I don't think we have evidence she even knew Tammy either or that she knew Chad and Lori were in Hawaii. I am just wondering what happened on the 6th Dec, this was even before Tammy's exhumation.

 

[tresir2012]

I'm having a ton of trouble with this website loading and posting today, so I'm going to take a break from here for a while. Maybe I will have better luck later. Carry on sleuthers! Look forward to catching up later with all of your wonderful insight!

Yes I'm having probs too.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Here is AC’s stand-up comedy YouTube clip.

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I remember both those things too about as well as you .
Hopefully someone will remind us all.

Heritage Environmental Services. Coolidge AZ. Route was Coolidge to Bentonville Arkansas

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Nate Eaton - Reporter

Looks like a part 2 coming along

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I remember both those things too about as well as you .
Hopefully someone will remind us all.

And yes, Zulema has filed papers--pretty sure probate paperwork. i think we had noted that she used another of her married names. Maiden is Pastenes...and I think i found 3 other married names.

 

[indicolite22]

Are you sure that's correct? Looks to me like she's married and has been for some time. Perhaps you're confusing MG with someone else? BBM:

"Melanie Gibb is an exuberant friend to everyone she ever comes in contact with. She is an exceptional person who seeks to learn and grow whatever the cost. As a mother of 4 and wife of a busy Chiropractor, Melanie is one of the most approachable women we have ever known. "

https://www.preparingapeople.com/copy-of-conference-tickets-1

IMO the info on MG on the PAP website is outdated in this regard.

 

[Redvines86]

Interesting, some observations:

he is wearing a shirt that’s many sizes too big.
He is definitely a good comic, IMO. I’ve been to many many comedy shows in most major cities in the US. His use of voices is quite good.

Surprised he made jokes of a sexual nature (ie Brittany Spears joke), about religion (found Jesus), and jail time, considering he is a Mormon. I don’t think that would keep you in good standing with the church.

Many good (and successful) comics will tell you that they get their material from real life,,,, sooo interesting

JMO

I haven't seen anything about him being a Mormon. MOO

 

[sgjsnow]

@tresir2012, She is, but she is affiliated with the podcasters that lived in Rexburg. To what extent she was friendly with CD's family, we don't know. Or at least I don't. In no way am I saying she is involved, as I don't think she is. I was just saying I think she is the one they picked up at the airport on Sept 19th. LVD would likely have told her that Tylee was at BYU-Idaho, since she was not seen after the 8th. So no suspicions on MG's part. And JJ was still around that weekend. I think she reported on Dec 6th to LE about LVD and CD asking her to lie about having JJ in AZ with her because she found out that Chad and Lori ended up in Hawaii, and she realized something was amiss.

Well MG is friends with one of Chad’s sons (that I believe lives at his house) on Facebook. So MOO that she knew at least some of his family. I think Tammy as well as Chad’s kids must have known some of the Podcast people and JR, etc at least on some level and to some extent. But to what extent I think is just speculation at this point. MOO of course

 

[nhmemorymaker]

IIRC, Her boyfriend told her if she didn’t tell the cops the truth he would leave her.

Pretty sure it was ex-husband. Pretty sure he was involved with group but convinced her to go to LE and "hide"...definitely hide kids. moo moo

 

[tresir2012]

Buy tickets for Sandy, Utah - Preparing A People Event at Salt Lake Community College - Larry Miller Campus Conf. Center, Fri 31 May 2019

This is a schedule for the 31st May -2nd June 2019 conference in Sandy, Utah when Chad had a family emergency and could not attend. I wonder if this was anything to do with the fake email that CV found later on?

From the schedule

"DW and SL will be filling in for Chad Daybell, who had a Family Emergency. We regret he won't be able to attend this PAP Event.

I hope this is ok to post. Mods please delete if not.

However the same info is also in this allowed source below.

Timeline of Events Around the Disappearance of Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow - Annielytics.com

 

[nhmemorymaker]

No, because by then Tylee was missing already for 3 weeks.

Lots of gun people in this big circle.........could have been anyone. I strongly doubt it was MBp and certainly feel it was not Tylee.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I would fully expect FBI labs be available in this case. There ways to kill that make it hard for pathologists... but they look a lot deeper when a case is suspicious. The first clue is that the H.S. educated coroner ruled it as natural causes. A goofy vague term that should be eradicated in our modern day. The most "natural" cause of death in the usa is cardiac arrest. But cardiac arrest can be triggered by myriads of things. Electric shock for example... prescription and OTC meds, anaphylactic shock, liver/kidney failure (induced by toxins, which could be wide ranging from natural plant substances, insect/snake/frog venoms, drugs, industrial chemicals, vast possibilities). There is no doubt in my mind that AxC had access to any and every possible means. They may have suffocated her or used carbon monoxide. A lot of things leave no obvious signs. Read some books on witchdoctors, shaman, ninjas, professional mercenaries and methods are endless. Yet pathologists have a process of elimination system to rule out whole groups of possibilities. Its also possible to scare someone into a cardiac event - try proving that in court. AxC used a Taser on TR's father, maybe he had one that didnt leave marks. Repeatedly tasering someone can trigger a cardiac event. As for AxC's own death, I think #1 is drug OD. #2 If it was an unusual toxin, then I have ideas about that. #3 if both TD and AxC died from the same substance that would sure be interesting.

Given the inhuman behaviour of these folks, your words of suffocation hit me like a brick. Some sleeping pills and a large body could do a lot of damage. I am feeling rather sick from these thoughts.

 

[indicolite22]

Pretty sure it was ex-husband. Pretty sure he was involved with group but convinced her to go to LE and "hide". moo moo

I read about the bf being involved with the group, but not the ex.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

His go to source of income was cemetery sexton, the books were a later source of revenue and relied on TR to help run the publishing biz. I thought I read in the timeline that a sexton job is what brought them there. I prefer the term "gravedigger" btw, nothing against people who chose that as a job, just serves as a double entendre for me.
For example, and this might sound snarky, Perhaps the "Gravedigger" knows where the bodies are buried...

Just curious does Idaho allow spouses to be shielded from testifying against spouses? Seems thats a right inferred by the Constitution. I think thats a partial reason for so many instant marriages in this case.

Probably better to know laws in AZ, rather than idaho, since AC/ZPSHExyz and MBp/IP all ended up back in Arizona.

 

[tresir2012]

@tresir2012, She is, but she is affiliated with the podcasters that lived in Rexburg. To what extent she was friendly with CD's family, we don't know. Or at least I don't. In no way am I saying she is involved, as I don't think she is. I was just saying I think she is the one they picked up at the airport on Sept 19th. LVD would likely have told her that Tylee was at BYU-Idaho, since she was not seen after the 8th. So no suspicions on MG's part. And JJ was still around that weekend. I think she reported on Dec 6th to LE about LVD and CD asking her to lie about having JJ in AZ with her because she found out that Chad and Lori ended up in Hawaii, and she realized something was amiss.

No I agree I am sure the podcasters/conference attendees all know each other and I know some podcasts were made on 6 Dec 2019 so that could be when she decided to contact LE. I am sure they would all have been discussing CD/LV marriage for some time by then, but why go to LE when nothing was known about the missing kids at that time? That's the bit I don't really understand, that's all. Also, I don't know what other podcasters live in Rexburg, so I cannot comment on that.

 

[indicolite22]

Oh gosh. Someone help me out here. I know I’ve read this numerous times. Anyone have a link for our fellow WSer? Or can someone else confirm what I said was true, that Melanie Gibb called the cops on December 6th because her current boyfriend told her if she didn’t call the cops and tell them the truth that he would leave her. I’m pretty sure she even sent her kids to stay with her ex hubby because she was scared of the group finding her after she cooperated. MOO

The gist of info was published in a source that were are not allowed to link here, since neither the source nor the information is verified.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I haven't seen anything about him being a Mormon. MOO

Had to have been raised Mormon.. who knew in later years..but he seemed close to parents--they were all named together on those lawsuits, and obviously was close to Lori, and seemed to be close to AdC at one point.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I haven't seen anything about him being a Mormon. MOO

Had to have been raised Mormon.. who knew in later years..but he seemed close to parents--they were all named together on those lawsuits, and obviously was close to Lori, and seemed to be close to AdC at one point.

Buy tickets for Sandy, Utah - Preparing A People Event at Salt Lake Community College - Larry Miller Campus Conf. Center, Fri 31 May 2019

This is a schedule for the 31st May -2nd June 2019 conference in Sandy, Utah when Chad had a family emergency and could not attend. I wonder if this was anything to do with the fake email that CV found later on?

From the schedule

"DW and SL will be filling in for Chad Daybell, who had a Family Emergency. We regret he won't be able to attend this PAP Event.

I hope this is ok to post. Mods please delete if not.

hmmmm. Is DW connected to MG??? Anyone have any guesses/knowledge on SL.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I read about the bf being involved with the group, but not the ex.

hmmm... maybe this was from other sources... I thought we had had some discussions earlier as to why she hesitated to go to LE.. and needing to discuss with "others" made sense..thot it was here..

 

[des2021]

Was that info published in MSM? I've only seen it in unapproved sources so far.

I’m almost positive I read it on here. I don’t really follow this case on other sites besides EIN. Sometimes my friends send me texts from other sites on stuff they see because they know I’m following this case. But I looked thru my texts and it wasn’t in there. I asked other WSer’s to help me find where I read it so we will see what they come up with. MOO