Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #29

[tresir2012]

Though we don't "discuss" social media... I found reading Melani's FB page pretty remarkable. All posts sooooooooo religious. I tried to see if there was "evil speak" within all her standard but very very heavy religious posts... I don't think so.....which begs the question "how did she get there from there????"

If she was made a POI by LE we could answer.

 

[Tortoise]

In an earlier thread I made these posts -

I am currently pondering the logic behind Lori and Chad going to Hawaii to get married, coming back and then returning to Hawaii.

and

they made a rental application on Kauai between Nov 7th-12th, and then backed out and returned to the mainland mid-Nov. It does sound as if they had plans to live there, but it also sounds as if something might have needed attending to back in ID.

Then IP's notes stated this -

"When Melani began sharing all of these things with me, I tried to keep an open mind. I'd only met her 4 days previous, but felt very comfortable around her.

"Upon first meeting Chad and Lori, I didn't get a bad impression of them, but they did seem different.[...] I didn't give them much thought as they said they were planning on taking off and that I'd be taking the reigns concerning care of Melani. They said they'd be going to Hawaii and invited me to come visit some time."

NP's email said this -

"basically on their wedding night she laid out the whole cult thing (but didn't say it was a cult) ..."


Interesting dates from timeline:

Oct 28th - Melani signed ID lease (same day Chad and Alex moved children's bikes into storage)
Nov 4th - Melani moved to ID
Nov 5th - Lori and Chad married in Hawaii
mid-Nov - Lori and Chad returned to ID
Nov 24th - Lori and Chad's last visit to storage
Nov 26th/27th - welfare check, lies, leaving, and search warrants - Alex's apartment already cleared.
Nov 29th - Alex married ZP
Nov 30th - Melani married IP
Dec 1st - Chad and Lori returned to Hawaii
Dec 2nd - IP spoke with his mother after NP called her. NP had spoken with BB.
Dec 3rd - Melani's 5 hour interview with LE.
Dec 8th - IP texted NP and said her uncles (Alex and Chad?) are telling her to move to Ammon
Dec 11th - Tammy's body exhumed
Dec 12th - Alex's death.

I'm quite satisfied now with the benefit of having seen IP's notes, that the reason Chad and Lori returned to ID was to tie up loose ends regarding Melani and Alex, in other words, assigning them minders. I do not think the marriages were anything to do with spousal privilege. IMO the only things that motivate C&L are money and power and control. IMO the sentence about taking the reins concerning care of Melani can only have a sinister connotation. Lori does not care about people; in this context it is about having people in place who will prevent the outflow of damaging information for "the mission". The only thing I can think of right now, if IP was not involved and had no knowledge, is that he was also being minded. Put simply, that leaves only one figure, Z. And Alex did die (following 'tips', if IP is correct). And it explains how it happened with Chad and Lori being in Hawaii. No wonder Z was at the custody hearing, with absolutely no continuing family ties, unless she does have family ties to IP and we don't yet know it... ?

One other thing - why would Melani need a 'carer' if she knows nothing? She could have been brought into the cult for BB's life insurance money without knowing it but how does that tally with her asking BB for a divorce in June? It may be relevant that the attempted murder of BB happened only weeks before the divorce was finalized. Perhaps they would have got the insurance money anyway via her children.

moo

 

[Tortoise]

Friday Feb-14-2020 Melani's interview with LE. (also Dateline aired)

Sunday Feb-16-2020 IP gives his computer to NP. (Lori and Chad fly from Kauai to Maui)

Tuesday Feb-18-2020 Affidavit of probable cause filed for Lori's arrest

IP's last paragraph:

"I will no longer openly cooperate with the police or the FBI, but I will through a lawyer. My final straw was when I received a call on Friday from Ricky where he threatened charges of lying to a federal office and/or being an accessory in the disappearance of Tylee and JJ because Melani couldn't clearly answer questions about the religious aspects of the investigation. After I shared my doubts with her, her world shattered. She couldn't answer those questions because she doesn't know what she believes about those things anymore. There was so much information dumped on her by Chad and Lori that she can't remember what she learned from them, from the podcasts she listened to, or on her own. A 20-year veteran FBI agent throwing a hissy fit after one shaky interview tells me all I need to know about how they want to handle this."
ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION

I need to correct this. The date of Melani's interview was Jan 14th not Feb 14th.

It still stands however that IP's reference to Friday probably refers to Friday Feb 14th, because it would be strange to just state Friday if it referred to one weeks earlier, and he gave his computer to NP on Feb 16th. I think he was panicking after that phone call from Ricky. I also think it's possible he gave her the computer because he thought his communications were being monitored. My question is, why did he want her to have it? I just had a crazy thought, did he think he might be killed? I don't see how that would help him though.

This case!!

 

[Sachi]

Though we don't "discuss" social media... I found reading Melani's FB page pretty remarkable. All posts sooooooooo religious. I tried to see if there was "evil speak" within all her standard but very very heavy religious posts... I don't think so.....which begs the question "how did she get there from there????"

I know little about
Melanie-
she had a full life - lots of kids and a husband.

Possibly MP was unhappy and vulnerable,( who knows ..just a theory) And at that specific moment (which likely could have work it’s way out with maybe just a hobby?) Trusty ole Aunt Lori appears , sniffing for money and seizing opportunity .. bangs vulnerable Melanie over the head with Chad’s ficto-religion which conveniently justifies murder sanctioned by God of those dubbed unwanted as “ zombies” , all to get at Brandon’s big fat insurance policies( greed).
After all, LV
didn’t get CV’s Insurance money after knocking him off so she needed to fill her coffers somehow and she still has Alex ... likely is her henchman.

“She also told Charles that she would kill him if he got in her way and that she had "an angel there to help her dispose of the body,"

Al ( AC) had great faith and never wavered in his trust in the Lord. No task would be too difficult or too great for him.”


Lori Vallow’s alarming statement supposedly made to her friend after saying she wouldn’t divorce again as it was her 4th marriage.

* "And then she would tell me, 'You gotta get rid of your husband. We'll just go off and do our thing.”

I hope LE strings it all together and socks it to these freaks.
It’s disgusting reading Ian’s written words whether measures or to direct or deflect blame. Feels like they all know a lot more and are trying to save there own horrible murderous or complicit fannies. But real lives were stolen and this isn’t a cartoon or comic book and they were all part of it by their own volition.

Sex, Greed, illusion of power and the vehicle of religious justification.

 

[watergirl62]

In an earlier thread I made these posts -

I am currently pondering the logic behind Lori and Chad going to Hawaii to get married, coming back and then returning to Hawaii.

and

they made a rental application on Kauai between Nov 7th-12th, and then backed out and returned to the mainland mid-Nov. It does sound as if they had plans to live there, but it also sounds as if something might have needed attending to back in ID.

Then IP's notes stated this -

"When Melani began sharing all of these things with me, I tried to keep an open mind. I'd only met her 4 days previous, but felt very comfortable around her.

"Upon first meeting Chad and Lori, I didn't get a bad impression of them, but they did seem different.[...] I didn't give them much thought as they said they were planning on taking off and that I'd be taking the reigns concerning care of Melani. They said they'd be going to Hawaii and invited me to come visit some time."

NP's email said this -

"basically on their wedding night she laid out the whole cult thing (but didn't say it was a cult) ..."


Interesting dates from timeline:

Oct 28th - Melani signed ID lease (same day Chad and Alex moved children's bikes into storage)
Nov 4th - Melani moved to ID
Nov 5th - Lori and Chad married in Hawaii
mid-Nov - Lori and Chad returned to ID
Nov 24th - Lori and Chad's last visit to storage
Nov 26th/27th - welfare check, lies, leaving, and search warrants - Alex's apartment already cleared.
Nov 29th - Alex married ZP
Nov 30th - Melani married IP
Dec 1st - Chad and Lori returned to Hawaii
Dec 2nd - IP spoke with his mother after NP called her. NP had spoken with BB.
Dec 3rd - Melani's 5 hour interview with LE.
Dec 8th - IP texted NP and said her uncles (Alex and Chad?) are telling her to move to Ammon
Dec 11th - Tammy's body exhumed
Dec 12th - Alex's death.

I'm quite satisfied now with the benefit of having seen IP's notes, that the reason Chad and Lori returned to ID was to tie up loose ends regarding Melani and Alex, in other words, assigning them minders. I do not think the marriages were anything to do with spousal privilege. IMO the only things that motivate C&L are money and power and control. IMO the sentence about taking the reins concerning care of Melani can only have a sinister connotation. Lori does not care about people; in this context it is about having people in place who will prevent the outflow of damaging information for "the mission". The only thing I can think of right now, if IP was not involved and had no knowledge, is that he was also being minded. Put simply, that leaves only one figure, Z. And Alex did die (following 'tips', if IP is correct). And it explains how it happened with Chad and Lori being in Hawaii. No wonder Z was at the custody hearing, with absolutely no continuing family ties, unless she does have family ties to IP and we don't yet know it... ?

One other thing - why would Melani need a 'carer' if she knows nothing? She could have been brought into the cult for BB's life insurance money without knowing it but how does that tally with her asking BB for a divorce in June? It may be relevant that the attempted murder of BB happened only weeks before the divorce was finalized. Perhaps they would have got the insurance money anyway via her children.

moo

Great post, Tortoise. Thanks for the timeline summary. I agree the marriages are all about the money.

Do we know how Ian met Melani? Did C&L possibly meet him first at the apartments? Just curious if they introduced them (I & M).

I think the "minding' statement could have been a ploy to to make Ian feel like he belonged and had a job to do, besides just being a physical distraction and a project for M. No idea. moo

 

[tresir2012]

In an earlier thread I made these posts -

I am currently pondering the logic behind Lori and Chad going to Hawaii to get married, coming back and then returning to Hawaii.

and

they made a rental application on Kauai between Nov 7th-12th, and then backed out and returned to the mainland mid-Nov. It does sound as if they had plans to live there, but it also sounds as if something might have needed attending to back in ID.

Then IP's notes stated this -

"When Melani began sharing all of these things with me, I tried to keep an open mind. I'd only met her 4 days previous, but felt very comfortable around her.

"Upon first meeting Chad and Lori, I didn't get a bad impression of them, but they did seem different.[...] I didn't give them much thought as they said they were planning on taking off and that I'd be taking the reigns concerning care of Melani. They said they'd be going to Hawaii and invited me to come visit some time."

NP's email said this -

"basically on their wedding night she laid out the whole cult thing (but didn't say it was a cult) ..."


Interesting dates from timeline:

Oct 28th - Melani signed ID lease (same day Chad and Alex moved children's bikes into storage)
Nov 4th - Melani moved to ID
Nov 5th - Lori and Chad married in Hawaii
mid-Nov - Lori and Chad returned to ID
Nov 24th - Lori and Chad's last visit to storage
Nov 26th/27th - welfare check, lies, leaving, and search warrants - Alex's apartment already cleared.
Nov 29th - Alex married ZP
Nov 30th - Melani married IP
Dec 1st - Chad and Lori returned to Hawaii
Dec 2nd - IP spoke with his mother after NP called her. NP had spoken with BB.
Dec 3rd - Melani's 5 hour interview with LE.
Dec 8th - IP texted NP and said her uncles (Alex and Chad?) are telling her to move to Ammon
Dec 11th - Tammy's body exhumed
Dec 12th - Alex's death.

I'm quite satisfied now with the benefit of having seen IP's notes, that the reason Chad and Lori returned to ID was to tie up loose ends regarding Melani and Alex, in other words, assigning them minders. I do not think the marriages were anything to do with spousal privilege. IMO the only things that motivate C&L are money and power and control. IMO the sentence about taking the reins concerning care of Melani can only have a sinister connotation. Lori does not care about people; in this context it is about having people in place who will prevent the outflow of damaging information for "the mission". The only thing I can think of right now, if IP was not involved and had no knowledge, is that he was also being minded. Put simply, that leaves only one figure, Z. And Alex did die (following 'tips', if IP is correct). And it explains how it happened with Chad and Lori being in Hawaii. No wonder Z was at the custody hearing, with absolutely no continuing family ties, unless she does have family ties to IP and we don't yet know it... ?

One other thing - why would Melani need a 'carer' if she knows nothing? She could have been brought into the cult for BB's life insurance money without knowing it but how does that tally with her asking BB for a divorce in June? It may be relevant that the attempted murder of BB happened only weeks before the divorce was finalized. Perhaps they would have got the insurance money anyway via her children.

moo

Dec 4th NPs email about MBP should go in here also.

I am amazed that MBP believes she is the niece of Jesus? So does that mean Chad thinks he is Jesus (the first born)? As far as I know, Jesus did not have any brothers or sisters did he? So how could MBP be his niece?

These are truly crazy stories, with money and murder as the motivations.

 

[Paulas88]

Also! The outline he wrote about their beliefs is pretty well written for someone who had just learned about them. I don't know. Something is just fishy?

 

[watergirl62]

They weren't bio brothers though were they? They are the disciples they are talking about I thought. MBP was the niece of Alex actually. So who is Jesus in MBP's mind if she is his niece?

This article explains it somewhat but I don't want to get in too deep. Basically, we need to find out who "Jesus" was in MBP's eyes. Was it Alex? Because Chad has been mentioned as being James the Just, so who the flip is Jesus in this group?

Did Jesus have "blood" brothers and sisters? - Catholic Straight Answers

Oh! I know this one: What is... prior probation.

Chad was not content being Just James so he decided to become Jesus instead. Methinks if Alex had prior manifestations, they were probably all animated characters with silly voices.

 

[utahobserver]

Though we don't "discuss" social media... I found reading Melani's FB page pretty remarkable. All posts sooooooooo religious. I tried to see if there was "evil speak" within all her standard but very very heavy religious posts... I don't think so.....which begs the question "how did she get there from there????"

My first instinct is to say “yellow brick road?” But that doesn’t answer your question.

MOO, I think Melani lost her mother at a young age, which may have left a deep sense of longing and a void in her psyche. Lori was a mother figure. Lori became consumed by what she considered to be Chad’s charismatic ideas, and Melani, already a vulnerable personality type, followed. People who join cults are generally looking to be part of something, they need a sense of belonging. In the most benign sense, church means assembly, community, family, a group of like-minded believers. For a co-dependent personality type, (which she appears to be given her quick marriage to IP) a cult fills the void. Melani has a history of looking for ordered structure in her life. Remember, she is an Air Force Reserve Airman. She follows orders.

Here is a short TedEd talk on why people join cults. Transcript of "Why do people join cults?"

 

[tresir2012]

Woman disputes claim she knows whereabouts of missing kids - West Hawaii Today

I found this Hawaii article about MBP and it has her lawyer saying quite a bit. It is a bit old but makes a bit more sense now.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

In an earlier thread I made these posts -

I am currently pondering the logic behind Lori and Chad going to Hawaii to get married, coming back and then returning to Hawaii.

and

they made a rental application on Kauai between Nov 7th-12th, and then backed out and returned to the mainland mid-Nov. It does sound as if they had plans to live there, but it also sounds as if something might have needed attending to back in ID.

Then IP's notes stated this -

"When Melani began sharing all of these things with me, I tried to keep an open mind. I'd only met her 4 days previous, but felt very comfortable around her.

"Upon first meeting Chad and Lori, I didn't get a bad impression of them, but they did seem different.[...] I didn't give them much thought as they said they were planning on taking off and that I'd be taking the reigns concerning care of Melani. They said they'd be going to Hawaii and invited me to come visit some time."

NP's email said this -

"basically on their wedding night she laid out the whole cult thing (but didn't say it was a cult) ..."


Interesting dates from timeline:

Oct 28th - Melani signed ID lease (same day Chad and Alex moved children's bikes into storage)
Nov 4th - Melani moved to ID
Nov 5th - Lori and Chad married in Hawaii
mid-Nov - Lori and Chad returned to ID
Nov 24th - Lori and Chad's last visit to storage
Nov 26th/27th - welfare check, lies, leaving, and search warrants - Alex's apartment already cleared.
Nov 29th - Alex married ZP
Nov 30th - Melani married IP
Dec 1st - Chad and Lori returned to Hawaii
Dec 2nd - IP spoke with his mother after NP called her. NP had spoken with BB.
Dec 3rd - Melani's 5 hour interview with LE.
Dec 8th - IP texted NP and said her uncles (Alex and Chad?) are telling her to move to Ammon
Dec 11th - Tammy's body exhumed
Dec 12th - Alex's death.

I'm quite satisfied now with the benefit of having seen IP's notes, that the reason Chad and Lori returned to ID was to tie up loose ends regarding Melani and Alex, in other words, assigning them minders. I do not think the marriages were anything to do with spousal privilege. IMO the only things that motivate C&L are money and power and control. IMO the sentence about taking the reins concerning care of Melani can only have a sinister connotation. Lori does not care about people; in this context it is about having people in place who will prevent the outflow of damaging information for "the mission". The only thing I can think of right now, if IP was not involved and had no knowledge, is that he was also being minded. Put simply, that leaves only one figure, Z. And Alex did die (following 'tips', if IP is correct). And it explains how it happened with Chad and Lori being in Hawaii. No wonder Z was at the custody hearing, with absolutely no continuing family ties, unless she does have family ties to IP and we don't yet know it... ?

One other thing - why would Melani need a 'carer' if she knows nothing? She could have been brought into the cult for BB's life insurance money without knowing it but how does that tally with her asking BB for a divorce in June? It may be relevant that the attempted murder of BB happened only weeks before the divorce was finalized. Perhaps they would have got the insurance money anyway via her children.

moo

In the note IP also states that (while wearing the FBI wire) that they had some lengthy convo's with the Daybells and the kids were not brought up ONCE. JMO but it seems likely that Melani was told everything and then just leaked out that one little line about Alex having to "take care of the kids". I think she knows it all, when, where and who dunnit. (Alex, ha ha but under the direction of Lori)

Perhaps they came back for Chad to spend some quality time with his kids, and circle those wagons. Not so sure he was buying Kauai as it seems to be all Lori's dream... pretty sure she bought him a Hawaii tourist tshirt every chance she could. Then made him wear them!

 

[utahobserver]

In an earlier thread I made these posts -

I am currently pondering the logic behind Lori and Chad going to Hawaii to get married, coming back and then returning to Hawaii.

and

they made a rental application on Kauai between Nov 7th-12th, and then backed out and returned to the mainland mid-Nov. It does sound as if they had plans to live there, but it also sounds as if something might have needed attending to back in ID.

Then IP's notes stated this -

"When Melani began sharing all of these things with me, I tried to keep an open mind. I'd only met her 4 days previous, but felt very comfortable around her.

"Upon first meeting Chad and Lori, I didn't get a bad impression of them, but they did seem different.[...] I didn't give them much thought as they said they were planning on taking off and that I'd be taking the reigns concerning care of Melani. They said they'd be going to Hawaii and invited me to come visit some time."

NP's email said this -

"basically on their wedding night she laid out the whole cult thing (but didn't say it was a cult) ..."


Interesting dates from timeline:

Oct 28th - Melani signed ID lease (same day Chad and Alex moved children's bikes into storage)
Nov 4th - Melani moved to ID
Nov 5th - Lori and Chad married in Hawaii
mid-Nov - Lori and Chad returned to ID
Nov 24th - Lori and Chad's last visit to storage
Nov 26th/27th - welfare check, lies, leaving, and search warrants - Alex's apartment already cleared.
Nov 29th - Alex married ZP
Nov 30th - Melani married IP
Dec 1st - Chad and Lori returned to Hawaii
Dec 2nd - IP spoke with his mother after NP called her. NP had spoken with BB.
Dec 3rd - Melani's 5 hour interview with LE.
Dec 8th - IP texted NP and said her uncles (Alex and Chad?) are telling her to move to Ammon
Dec 11th - Tammy's body exhumed
Dec 12th - Alex's death.

I'm quite satisfied now with the benefit of having seen IP's notes, that the reason Chad and Lori returned to ID was to tie up loose ends regarding Melani and Alex, in other words, assigning them minders. I do not think the marriages were anything to do with spousal privilege. IMO the only things that motivate C&L are money and power and control. IMO the sentence about taking the reins concerning care of Melani can only have a sinister connotation. Lori does not care about people; in this context it is about having people in place who will prevent the outflow of damaging information for "the mission". The only thing I can think of right now, if IP was not involved and had no knowledge, is that he was also being minded. Put simply, that leaves only one figure, Z. And Alex did die (following 'tips', if IP is correct). And it explains how it happened with Chad and Lori being in Hawaii. No wonder Z was at the custody hearing, with absolutely no continuing family ties, unless she does have family ties to IP and we don't yet know it... ?

One other thing - why would Melani need a 'carer' if she knows nothing? She could have been brought into the cult for BB's life insurance money without knowing it but how does that tally with her asking BB for a divorce in June? It may be relevant that the attempted murder of BB happened only weeks before the divorce was finalized. Perhaps they would have got the insurance money anyway via her children.

moo

This is brilliant.

 

[tresir2012]

Oh! I know this one: What is... prior probation.

Chad was not content being Just James so he decided to become Jesus instead. Methinks if Alex had prior manifestations, they were probably all animated characters with silly voices.

Multiple mortal probations - so Chad is Jesus AND James the Just - that answers it.

And Alex is just Looney Tunes.

 

[roche.analisa]

Oh! I know this one: What is... prior probation.

Chad was not content being Just James so he decided to become Jesus instead. Methinks if Alex had prior manifestations, they were probably all animated characters with silly voices.

We discussed in an earlier thread that provbations are basically former lives.

 

[tresir2012]

@Tortoise re your timeframe.

Intense 911 call details arrest of Lori Vallow's niece

This was going on mid- November. Perhaps that's why they returned from Hawaii to control these two. (MB and AxC) I wondered why they came back too. This was obviously a problem. So I bet they introduced IP and MB, and ZP and AxC to their "minders", then went back to Hawaii after they were safely married. MOO.

 

[watergirl62]

I'll take "Healing And Music" for 200, Alex ( Jeopardy)

We discussed in an earlier thread that provbations are basically former lives.

Haha. I meant "what is... prior probation" like I was on Jeopardy.

 

[Teche]

Dec 4th NPs email about MBP should go in here also.

I am amazed that MBP believes she is the niece of Jesus? So does that mean Chad thinks he is Jesus (the first born)? As far as I know, Jesus did not have any brothers or sisters did he? So how could MBP be his niece?

These are truly crazy stories, with money and murder as the motivations.

If Money, Murder and Motivation isn’t the name of an ID TV series, it should be.

 

[FindingJoLee]

In an earlier thread I made these posts -

I am currently pondering the logic behind Lori and Chad going to Hawaii to get married, coming back and then returning to Hawaii.

and

they made a rental application on Kauai between Nov 7th-12th, and then backed out and returned to the mainland mid-Nov. It does sound as if they had plans to live there, but it also sounds as if something might have needed attending to back in ID.

Then IP's notes stated this -

"When Melani began sharing all of these things with me, I tried to keep an open mind. I'd only met her 4 days previous, but felt very comfortable around her.

"Upon first meeting Chad and Lori, I didn't get a bad impression of them, but they did seem different.[...] I didn't give them much thought as they said they were planning on taking off and that I'd be taking the reigns concerning care of Melani. They said they'd be going to Hawaii and invited me to come visit some time."

NP's email said this -

"basically on their wedding night she laid out the whole cult thing (but didn't say it was a cult) ..."


Interesting dates from timeline:

Oct 28th - Melani signed ID lease (same day Chad and Alex moved children's bikes into storage)
Nov 4th - Melani moved to ID
Nov 5th - Lori and Chad married in Hawaii
mid-Nov - Lori and Chad returned to ID
Nov 24th - Lori and Chad's last visit to storage
Nov 26th/27th - welfare check, lies, leaving, and search warrants - Alex's apartment already cleared.
Nov 29th - Alex married ZP
Nov 30th - Melani married IP
Dec 1st - Chad and Lori returned to Hawaii
Dec 2nd - IP spoke with his mother after NP called her. NP had spoken with BB.
Dec 3rd - Melani's 5 hour interview with LE.
Dec 8th - IP texted NP and said her uncles (Alex and Chad?) are telling her to move to Ammon
Dec 11th - Tammy's body exhumed
Dec 12th - Alex's death.

I'm quite satisfied now with the benefit of having seen IP's notes, that the reason Chad and Lori returned to ID was to tie up loose ends regarding Melani and Alex, in other words, assigning them minders. I do not think the marriages were anything to do with spousal privilege. IMO the only things that motivate C&L are money and power and control. IMO the sentence about taking the reins concerning care of Melani can only have a sinister connotation. Lori does not care about people; in this context it is about having people in place who will prevent the outflow of damaging information for "the mission". The only thing I can think of right now, if IP was not involved and had no knowledge, is that he was also being minded. Put simply, that leaves only one figure, Z. And Alex did die (following 'tips', if IP is correct). And it explains how it happened with Chad and Lori being in Hawaii. No wonder Z was at the custody hearing, with absolutely no continuing family ties, unless she does have family ties to IP and we don't yet know it... ?

One other thing - why would Melani need a 'carer' if she knows nothing? She could have been brought into the cult for BB's life insurance money without knowing it but how does that tally with her asking BB for a divorce in June? It may be relevant that the attempted murder of BB happened only weeks before the divorce was finalized. Perhaps they would have got the insurance money anyway via her children.

moo

This is all so nutty! If I met someone and was dating (or whatever) for "a few days" and then his aunt (and uncle, by marriage -- also only married "a few days" if I'm getting this timeline right) showed up from their honeymoon to assign me to be "take the reigns concerning care of" my new friend ....I'd show myself the door. Wouldn't most people??

 

[renarde]

I wonder when the baby is due...

Could it be... July 20th?

 

[Alpha Bravo]

HAdn't seen this MSM report... including a short interview with a friend of Alex Cox. She starts at 2:24

One of the better comments left below the video on YT:
The friend of Cox, "he only murders adults, he wouldn't murder children"