Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #29

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  • #701
Yeah, my thought on that is, "Why pay an attorney for custody, when we will soon take out Brandon and collect a nice fat check for a cool mil? And you get to keep the kids too, as a bonus." MBP was in on it, IMO.
There was another sinister twist when she tried to take away her kids with Alex's help. According to Ian's document, she had dreams of her daughter speaking to her from beyond the grave. After the failed attempt on Brandon she was allegedly told that her two middle children were dead. Who knows what was planned for her kids by the cult if she could get custody back then.
 
  • #702
I can't make up my mind about this.

I think the correct terminology for this would be deluded or psychotic, actually unable to tell what was real and what was imagined.

William Shakespeare expressed it beautifully - "Though this be madness, yet there is method in it." Hamlet.

They all know they did wrong because they won't admit what they did, calculated, lied, concealed, ran away and refuse to answer very simple questions.

Yet I don't know how to explain the spreading of their ideas, if not through shared delusion.

moo
I like the above -
This particular scenario seeks out or convinces vulnerable people perhaps, in place of unhappiness or with promise of excitement , lust, money and their need of religious justification.

One wonders if this is larger and there is a target group considered ie.. young attractive women? Or could it be based on who has money and how do we get to it couple with measuring the mailability of the intended member?

If it’s ends up being true and not speculation that Lori went to a PAP seminar during that 5 months when she was missing and Charles sought her out via police to be placed in a psyche ward for evaluation.

How many kookie believers could actually be there and are there like cases?
Further, were there more young married partners vulnerable to extreme offshoot of LDS or other that were in marriages with husbands / wives with big insurance policies who could be targeted And eliminated with the zombie formula? Do we have any info that this is more than an isolated incident or is it connected directly to PAP?
Seems it wouldn’t fly under the the Nat. radar yet, Brandon was quoting saying
Boudreaux says his ex-wife is also "heavily" involved in a doomsday cult in which "numerous members, adults and children alike, have been being killed off like flies."


In this Case , it can be assumed that like minded propulsion, a cheerleader of sorts is necessary or the plan falls apart. It has been stated often here “ the perfect storm”. Many a sinister / insane/ horrible plans have been thwarted by the doubter in the mix. Thank goodness.


Unfortunately , Lori is a loon- unhinges as said and Chad is , undoubtably a partner at the helm since this is his fiction- doctrine being played out.

Can you imagine his excite when he found a believer- to him ..a sexy blonde ? Here was his moment , moo— how can I have this? I want this! It’s meant for me! I’ve waited , time to act on my message from beyond the veil. Every single insane justification he could throw at this was used to get what he selfishly wanted. I believe him as guilty as she is. I hope LE has A lot.

My question is - as of her incarceration , how does a murderous person once separated from this spewing fountain, rationalize murder and missing ( likely dead) children? How long can you deluded yourself that innocent people were zombies and needed to die? Eventually do they blame the co-conspirator? Because, brainwashing and cult blame has not historically been a successful defense. , has it?
 
  • #703
Total aside. I bet we aren't laughing quite so hard at preppers now. Jmo.
 
  • #704
Lori knows well that she's done if she tells the truth. IMO she's hoping to get away with it and move on with her life with Chad as if nothing happened. In the latter case the delusion could live on.


And that in itself is a delusion which shows how delusional she really is.
 
  • #705
It's interesting to go back now and revisit the text exchange between BB and MB on Oct 15th, and the (explosive) statement put out by Melani's attorneys on Feb 26th, 10 days after IP gave his computer to NP. It occurred to me when reading MB's text to BB that she said she was moving to Boise because she didn't want to reveal where Lori had moved to, since no one knew at that time.

These are the texts/attorney statement from Feb 26th -

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Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
 
  • #706
And that in itself is a delusion which shows how delusional she really is.
I beg to differ. We all know cases where people did get away with whatever crimes they committed.
 
  • #707
Do you have a source for Melani hanging out with Zulema and Lori's sister?

I don't doubt you but if it can't be brought up here (no MSM) can you PM me with a SM source?
They were both with her when she went to court the last time plus IP and her attorney. It has been posted.
 
  • #708
I beg to differ. We all know cases where people did get away with whatever crimes they committed.


You’re right ,that is the truth. However, hope is that she and Chad unlike Casey Anthony, OJ and a host of others , do not , in the future , get to live forever , in the delusion.
 
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The board moves so fast it's hard to keep up. If my comments have been covered already please feel free to delete my post. I have been wondering about both of Melani's husbands. Ian said when he told Melani he had been talking with the police and FBI she was surprised but understood. Does anyone else question that reaction from her? I would think she would be furious. Ian needs to watch out for his safety and that of his family. He has to remember Uncle Chad is still out there somewhere. I think he should run - baby or no baby.

Also, where was Melani on Oct. 2nd? She claimed Alex was at the storage unit which we know appears to be false. She also said she was told about the attempt on Brandon's life after the fact. Brandon claimed he could see the gun sticking out of the rear window. If it was Alex with the gun at the rear window, who was driving the jeep?
 
  • #711
The board moves so fast it's hard to keep up. If my comments have been covered already please feel free to delete my post. I have been wondering about both of Melani's husbands. Ian said when he told Melani he had been talking with the police and FBI she was surprised but understood. Does anyone else question that reaction from her? I would think she would be furious. Ian needs to watch out for his safety and that of his family. He has to remember Uncle Chad is still out there somewhere. I think he should run - baby or no baby.

Also, where was Melani on Oct. 2nd? She claimed Alex was at the storage unit which we know appears to be false. She also said she was told about the attempt on Brandon's life after the fact. Brandon claimed he could see the gun sticking out of the rear window. If it was Alex with the gun at the rear window, who was driving the jeep?

BB dropped the kids off with Melani, wherever she was living, then went to the gym. He then went back to his home around 9 a.m. and that is when the shooting occurred.

<moo>
 
  • #712
From Indicolite: "Lori knows well that she's done if she tells the truth. IMO she's hoping to get away with it and move on with her life with Chad as if nothing happened. In the latter case the delusion could live on." From Sachi: "And that in itself is a delusion which shows how delusional she really is.
I agree with these statements and think Lori's going to double down on her "it's complicated" excuse (it's not). These people have lived in a bubble of mutual adoration and cult worship. Courts, laws, right and wrong and public opinion are going to come crashing down on them. Exposing their insanity hastens the process.
 
  • #713
BB dropped the kids off with Melani, wherever she was living, then went to the gym. He then went back to his home around 9 a.m. and that is when the shooting occurred.

<moo>
I believe BB stated to police that MB blew off visitation that day. Let me find a link...
 
  • #714
It's interesting to go back now and revisit the text exchange between BB and MB on Oct 15th, and the (explosive) statement put out by Melani's attorneys on Feb 26th, 10 days after IP gave his computer to NP. It occurred to me when reading MB's text to BB that she said she was moving to Boise because she didn't want to reveal where Lori had moved to, since no one knew at that time.

These are the texts/attorney statement from Feb 26th -

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Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

And IP's account contradicts a lot of what the attorney asserts here
 
  • #715
Mel didn't seem to care about who got the kids back then. Maybe she knew BB's days were numbered, and soon enough she'd get the kids by default (their names were on the apartment rental agreement), along with survivor benefits, and life insurance money, thanks to her uncles Al and Chad.

Does she have to pay child support now?

"Brandon said through his attorneys that he worried his children were "at risk of imminent physical and emotional harm" if they were to return to their mother.

When she was alerted to the shooting, Melani did not express concern for his safety or the safety of the children, Brandon claims in court documents.

About two weeks after the shooting, Melani texted Brandon that she had decided to move to Boise, according to court documents.

"The kids could remain with you in Arizona, you would have to arrange for daycare, and I could have the kids for school holidays and summers. Or I could take the kids to Idaho and enroll them in school there and you could have the kids for school holidays and summers. Please let me know what you'd like to do," Melani texted Brandon.

A judge granted Brandon temporary custody of the children. Brandon said he is living with the children in hiding out of state. "

How a Gilbert drive-by shooting is tied to the Idaho missing children

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  • #716
I think it would be handy to have a list of these characters with their possible aliases (mortal probations).
Chad, James the Just.
Charles, Nick Schneider, Ned Snyder
Melani, niece of Jesus
Lori, 1) Moroni's wife, 2) mother of JS
Alex, an Angel
Detectives H & H, 2 of Cain's 50
Tylee and JJ, level 3 dark spirits, zombies

MOO

Any more or any corrections?

Reposting with some suggested additions.
 
  • #717
And IP's account contradicts a lot of what the attorney asserts here

I’m not sure how confident those attorneys are right now. They have to be rather chagrined at the least. Attorneys normally make bold and seemingly outrageous statements at times but IP’s account undermines their assertions.
 
  • #718
"Yeah, sure he spent time in prison for violence against Lori's husband Joe, (and threatened to kill him) and I can see him shooting Charles. (Lori threatened to kill him) But the kids? Nah, I can't wrap my head around that"
The comment Melani made saying Alex was completely dedicated to the Lord and would do anything for him (thus would kill the kids without any hesitation if he thought he was doing the Lord’s work) sounds like perfect deflection. Alex is dead. He did it. Not Lori, Chad or anyone else. So you can leave us alone now.
 
  • #719
I’m not sure how confident those attorneys are right now. They have to be rather chagrined at the least. Attorneys normally make bold and seemingly outrageous statements at times but IP’s account undermines their assertions.
Yup, exactly the point I was making
 
  • #720
Edit to fix

CULT MOM! :)
JMO but I think there have been suspicious deaths way before Tammy[/QUOTE]
That wouldn’t surprise me. Is anyone investigating those? Is there a list somewhere of those that may be suspicious?
 
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