Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

[tresir2012]

Alex was in Arizona on October 2 (IMO) when Lori was at the storage unit with Chad. Who had JJ then? A nanny would have come forward by now.

Unless the nanny is Tylee and she has been convinced there are threats. I don't believe they are alive and none of their friends and relatives know where they are. The only reason JC would not share with LE that she spoke to JJ on 1 Oct would be because she knows where he is and what has happened IMO.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I thought that he owned the home in Arizona, but I don't know. I think that I read that Lori threw a pool party at Charles' home that night after he was killed.

The article at this link says that she withdrew $25,000 from their bank accounts. I just have to shake my head at her audacity.

CBS 5 Investigates Exclusive: Charles Vallow had 'substantial' life insurance policy

Another good article at the link which talks about the life insurance policy and Charles' fears. I loved it when he changed the beneficiary of his life insurance policy to his sister unbeknownst to Lori. Lori thought that she was in for a big payday, like Chad.

Source: Charles Vallow removed Lori Vallow as $1M life insurance beneficiary in 2019

Always rentals. Expensive rentals.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Maybe just in case they had to ditch the jeep.

I also think they were always nervous about all of them living in those apartments.......... She lied about JJ (her druggie nephew), lied to the babysitter... I think they were always concerned about "being seen' there.

 

[Colorado303]

Feeling unwell for several days inclines me to think heart trouble.

The only indication we have that Alec wasn’t feeling well in the hours/days before his death are statements made by Lori, Melani and/or Z. Worthless IMO.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Right. IF JC actually did with JJ on 10/1, then when Lori was visiting the storage unit, he could have been:

A) waiting in the vehicle
B) at home, alone
C) at home, with another adult (or at said other adult's home)

Options A and B seem rather unlikely to me. I've worked with many 7 year old kids both with autism and without, and there are very few whom I would trust unsupervised. And if C, then there should be someone out there that can corroborate the claim that JJ was still in LV's vicinity on 10/1/2020. Unless, of course, he was hanging out with Uncle Alex between 2:08-2:32 PM. Which would be...convenient.

*note, I can't remember if AC was in AZ or ID on 10/1. I've been here since the very beginning, but there's a lot of moving pieces! If he was in AZ on 10/1, then there's a big hole in JC's JJ phone call story.

i thought he was in AZ because the "eviction papers were served", but wiser court document experts indicated that he did not have to be present. So, I haven't seen any absolute confirmation. But I think Janis's many calls on the 1st probably say she is more connected to all of this, than I had thought.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Good Lord, I am happy Lori's family has come out to speak up, but, come on. Pathetic responses. And where is Janis' husband, Barry, in all of this? Let's hear from him too. Let's just compound these pathetic responses to their daughter who is happy to stay in jail rather than disclose the children. Bizarre all of it. IMO

Now that we have seen Janis and Summer.... I am now certain that Barry is in the background directing.

He is the expert at frivolous lawsuits and creating massive confusion. My guess is that the only thing that they have to hang on to is how many different people have stated, in the past, is "Lori was a good mother" ... I think they are going to try to attach everything to that string as they go forward to eventually try to influence the lawyers, juries, and the public....

Sortof like... Send out all the Stepford wives to influence public opinion.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Just a comment about the Verizon bill. I would not read too much into the details. I looked at my own Verizon bill and the markings on it are inconsistent with what Verizon claims.

I have been socially isolating and working from home for the past 2 months. I know exactly where I have been every day. Every single call (sent or received) on my bill has an origin in the place where I was at the time. The received calls all say "incoming CL" yet I know for a fact that most where mobile calls. And I also know for a fact, because I asked people who called me today, that the information about where they were is inaccurate and does not even reflect the cell tower in spite of what Verizon claims. In my case I spoke with someone I have talked to several times in teh last couple of months and confirmed that he was always at home on his cell phone, 50 miles from Hilo Hawaii. But every call with him says he is in Hilo.

So don't go too far with using the call records today for concluding anything and don't rely on what Verizon says. Because I know for a fact it is completely wrong for my bill.

Thanks for this.. I know, when information is slow, we spend more time on not -so -important bits. I just wanna know who's is St. George UT? ha ha ha......

However...doesn't LE have all phone records of Lori and Chad already???

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Just a comment about the Verizon bill. I would not read too much into the details. I looked at my own Verizon bill and the markings on it are inconsistent with what Verizon claims.

I have been socially isolating and working from home for the past 2 months. I know exactly where I have been every day. Every single call (sent or received) on my bill has an origin in the place where I was at the time. The received calls all say "incoming CL" yet I know for a fact that most where mobile calls. And I also know for a fact, because I asked people who called me today, that the information about where they were is inaccurate and does not even reflect the cell tower in spite of what Verizon claims. In my case I spoke with someone I have talked to several times in teh last couple of months and confirmed that he was always at home on his cell phone, 50 miles from Hilo Hawaii. But every call with him says he is in Hilo.

So don't go too far with using the call records today for concluding anything and don't rely on what Verizon says. Because I know for a fact it is completely wrong for my bill.

Nice to see you back Kona!

 

[indicolite22]

I was accused before of defending Lori yet I have never done that. I simply think the facts are ambiguous. We have no evidence she harmed the kids. We only have evidence that they have not been heard from in months. If a mother felt her kids were in danger the first thing she would do is isolate them. Given her aversion to difficult conditions I find it increasingly hard to believe that they are safe and alive. But there is no evidence to the contrary. If there were threats against her and them and she put them in hiding that could explain her willingness to sit in jail while things play out.

BBM. I wonder what a mother would do if her lover considered her kids level 4.1 dark spirits?

 

[indicolite22]

Thanks for this.. I know, when information is slow, we spend more time on not -so -important bits. I just wanna know who's is St. George UT? ha ha ha......

However...doesn't LE have all phone records of Lori and Chad already???

BBM. My guess would be family. IIRC, Justin Lum reported a while ago that Lori's parents moved to Utah.

 

[Tortoise]

It cannot be a landline because it is the same number from when Lori was advertising Bailey. It has to be a mobile IMO. Unless you can keep and transfer landline numbers in Az.

Maybe somebody should phone that number to see who has it now.

The thing is, if she has pulled out this call from the records because it's Lori's number, we know it couldn't have been Lori on the call because she is on camera at the storage unit at that time. We can forget Lori's physical location, it's the fact that she can be seen not talking on a phone at that time, and she is driving, signing a contract and unloading a tote into the unit.

So it means someone else was using Lori's number. Now for argument's sake say Tylee was given Lori's phone. Grandma didn't say she spoke to Tylee on October 1st. So I believe Lori gave her phone to someone else, and it's most likely a family member for a call of that duration. I think Alex makes the most sense, if we are thinking he probably took steps not to use his own phone during that mission. It was the day before Brandon's shooting.

Whatever time was on the clock at the storage place was an hour out, according to the footage analysed by Nate Eaton for October 2nd. This means the clock shows she was there at 3.32pm, and the real time was 4.32pm. At 4.32pm in Idaho, I believe it was 3.32pm in Arizona on that date. I'm not exactly sure I've got the daylight savings changes the right way around, but that was the impression I retained from reading earlier posts. The call on Grandma's phone (actually it says Barry Cox at the top of the log, but he could just be the bill payer) lasted from approx 3pm to 4.30pm, so it encompasses the duration of time Lori was at the storage unit.

I think she probably doesn't remember the exact date she last spoke to JJ, especially 7 months afterwards, and if she told police this when they were first looking for him, and then preparing the affidavit for Lori's arrest, it would have been worthy of note in the paperwork, especially the location of the phone. At any rate, if it was on October 1st, she would know he wasn't with Lori and it would be relevant to state who she was talking to. By omission, with the importance of establishing who he was with, it looks like she thinks she spoke to Lori at that time, which reveals the unreliability of her memory.

I think it's funny that the date and time exactly coincides with the date of the cctv footage of Lori. The timing couldn't be more perfect. If it was an hour later we wouldn't know. It's like the other critical date, when MP's lawyers jumped on the reporting error that it was Alex at the storage unit. Oops! Turns out the storage unit camera has been a brilliant witness.

moo

 

[Hatfield]

BBM. I wonder what a mother would do if her lover considered her kids level 4.1 dark spirits?

JMO
One thing she would not do. Is to continue to hang around and love on that person if she had to put her kids in hiding because of that same person. And she surely would not want to be kept in jail over it.

 

[montegrl]

FBI Now Investigating Death of Lori Vallow's Previous Husband, Which Was Ruled a Heart Attack

New article saying the FBI is investigating Joseph Ryan's death now

 

[Gardener1850]

Just popping in here to remind everyone that Update 8 of the timeline is in the media thread. The links in the first post are still not updated. Here are the more current links:

10 Part Detailed Timeline Links (Update 8)
Part I (1968 - 2017)
Part II (Dec 2017 - 10 July 2019)
Part III (11 July 2019)
Part IV (12 July 2019 - 31 Oct 2019)
Part V (Nov 2019)
Part VI (Dec 2019)
Part VII (Jan 2020)
Part VIII (2 Feb - 18 Feb 2020)
Part IX (19 Feb -29 Feb 2020)
Part X (Mar 2020 - July 2020)

I hope you all had a safe and healthy Easter and/or Passover holiday.

Bringing this forward from page 1 of the thread. We are due for a new thread soon since we're up to 94 pages. Someone please alert on the above post when one of the mods comes to renew our thread and ask for those links to be updated in the opening post. I have requested it the last few threads but always too late-- it seems it has to happen right at the time they make a new thread or it won't get updated. I haven't had time to update it again since the above but this is the more current timeline. Thanks!

 

[FindingJoLee]

So many questions?!
Why is Janis the bio Grandmother of Tylee not freaking out like Kay the bio Grandmother of JJ? Janis knows that Tylee has had a crazy childhood with a divorce and whatever accusations made during the marriage of Joe Ryan and Lori. Why is she not parked in Rexburg jail parking lot visiting every single day and demanding Lori and Chad to say where these kids are? Where is the emotion and anger of a Grandma not having an answer? I speak as a Grandma who is the same age as Tammy..You dont mess with Grandkids because normal Grandparents will come after you even if you are our children! (rant over and thank you for coming to my TED Talk..I hadnt done one for awhile) MOO

These have been my questions all along. Her affect and emotionality about this is totally off, even if she had nothing to do with it. That she isn't frantic, devastated, talking to anyone who will listen (hello, Kay) is absolutely bizarre. Janis has lost three children....and is facing a very real possibility that she has also lost two grandchildren. There isn't a hint of emotion about that in the interview. If Melani is Lori2.0, then Janis is Lori-1. The demeanor of the people in this case is just inexplicable.

(Everybody grieves differently, yada yada, yada, but nobody behaves absolutely devoid of any sadness, anger, or worry when they've lost five children and grandchildren. Even Chad knew to behave like a grieving widower for at least the immediate aftermath of Tammy's death.)

 

[Picklepuck]

The thing is, if she has pulled out this call from the records because it's Lori's number, we know it couldn't have been Lori on the call because she is on camera at the storage unit at that time. We can forget Lori's physical location, it's the fact that she can be seen not talking on a phone at that time, and she is driving, signing a contract and unloading a tote into the unit.

So it means someone else was using Lori's number. Now for argument's sake say Tylee was given Lori's phone. Grandma didn't say she spoke to Tylee on October 1st. So I believe Lori gave her phone to someone else, and it's most likely a family member for a call of that duration. I think Alex makes the most sense, if we are thinking he probably took steps not to use his own phone during that mission. It was the day before Brandon's shooting.

Whatever time was on the clock at the storage place was an hour out, according to the footage analysed by Nate Eaton for October 2nd. This means the clock shows she was there at 3.32pm, and the real time was 4.32pm. At 4.32pm in Idaho, I believe it was 3.32pm in Arizona on that date. I'm not exactly sure I've got the daylight savings changes the right way around, but that was the impression I retained from reading earlier posts. The call on Grandma's phone (actually it says Barry Cox at the top of the log, but he could just be the bill payer) lasted from approx 3pm to 4.30pm, so it encompasses the duration of time Lori was at the storage unit.

I think she probably doesn't remember the exact date she last spoke to JJ, especially 7 months afterwards, and if she told police this when they were first looking for him, and then preparing the affidavit for Lori's arrest, it would have been worthy of note in the paperwork, especially the location of the phone. At any rate, if it was on October 1st, she would know he wasn't with Lori and it would be relevant to state who she was talking to. By omission, with the importance of establishing who he was with, it looks like she thinks she spoke to Lori at that time, which reveals the unreliability of her memory.

I think it's funny that the date and time exactly coincides with the date of the cctv footage of Lori. The timing couldn't be more perfect. If it was an hour later we wouldn't know. It's like the other critical date, when MP's lawyers jumped on the reporting error that it was Alex at the storage unit. Oops! Turns out the storage unit camera has been a brilliant witness.

moo

The video footage from the storage unit showed the time to be 2:32pm, and Nate Eaton clarified the time was off by an hour, and it was actually 3:32pm. And on October 1st, that would make the time in AZ to be 2:32pm, as we currently are an hour behind Idaho (when clocks go back on November 1st, AZ remains the same, therefore making Idaho the same time as AZ. Hope that made sense). So, if she were at the storage unit at 3:32pm, she could easily call her mom at 4pm Idaho time, which would show as 3pm in AZ, on JC's phone records.

 

[Hatfield]

FBI Now Investigating Death of Lori Vallow's Previous Husband, Which Was Ruled a Heart Attack

New article saying the FBI is investigating Joseph Ryan's death now

Didnt we suggest a long time ago that LE should take a second look at anyone that died in years past and were close to her?

I hope this is not the first time they had thought about this.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Yes and it appears they are going to play more on both Thursday and Friday night.

The people in the ballroom included:

Lori's mother and sister their spouses, her niece and nephew and one or two other family members and two of their attorneys.

They say that Lori was receiving threats and that's what caused her to move to Idaho and put her kids in hiding and they are still in hiding today. CBS is going to trace those alleged threats and have those people respond.

Lori Vallow's family says she would not hurt children

Alex had murdered Lori's husband, Charles. Tammy and Brandon were both about to be shot at....and Tammy was dead a few weeks later. I have an idea for CBS. Trace THOSE threats -- to Charles, to Tammy, to Brandon.

 

[Hatfield]

Alex had murdered Lori's husband, Charles. Tammy and Brandon were both about to be shot at....and Tammy was dead a few weeks later. I have an idea for CBS. Trace THOSE threats -- to Charles, to Tammy, to Brandon.

JMO
I agree.

Here is the thing. When you look at the victims of the attempted murders and the actual deaths/murders.

Who would have a motive to target them and even want those particular victims dead. The answer only points to certain people. Even a jury will be convinced that there are only a select few that had a reason to not want these particular victims around anymore.

There were way too many incidents for it all to be a random coincidence and for it to be anyone other than the only ones who had their reasons.

 

[MadTing]

Considering their potential nutty extremist beliefs and reports of no task being too much for alex, I would not be surprised if he intentionally took a lethal dose of something intentionally believing it was "gods will" for him to do so.