Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

[Tortoise]

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[Tortoise]

Does anyone think it’s possible CV was telling the truth, that he found Lori’s purse on the ground? Could it have been another elaborate setup on her part?

Yes, I think it very well could have been the truth. That fits her M.O. to a T. She is all about set-ups. And as for saying he was sneaky... she is always talking about herself. Just like the accusation of *him* changing the locks and *him* cheating. If they do find anything on his computer about dating sites (the computer that she took while he was out of town) you can bet she put it on there. All of his actions add up to him, misguidedly, trying to help her and loving her.

moo

 

[Tortoise]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
2 hrs ·
IDAHO SUPREME COURT: Just signed, an extension of emergency reduction in court services. The order goes through 4/30/. This extension comes due to COVID-19 precautions.

Lori Vallow’s bond reduction hearing is on 4/24. The hearing has not been moved officially yet.

 

[Tortoise]

Listing the prosecution's witnesses, from the response to request for discovery. (name misspellings corrected by me)

a. Det. Ron Ball, RPD
b. Det. Ray Hermosillo, RPD
c. Det. Dave Stubbs, RPD
d. Det. Chuck Kunsaitis, RPD
e. Det. Dave Hope, RPD
f. Det. Rick Schmitt, RPD
g. Det. Randy Reese, RPD
h. Officer Kellen Whetten, RPD
i. Det. Chad Cataluna, Kauai PD
j. Det. Ryan Pillar, Gilbert PD
k. Det. Nate Moffat, Chandler PD
l. Melanie Gibb
m. David Warwick
n. Chad Daybell (see IRE 504(d)(1))
o. Julie Wilcox
p. Larry Woodcock
q. Kay Woodcock
r. Adam Cox
s. Zackary Cox
t. Brandon Boudreaux
u. Melani Pawlowski
v. Ian Pawlowski
w. Leah Bernard
x. Seth Bernard
y. SAC Chris Smith, National Park Service
z. Deputy Chief Ranger Chris Flesch, National Park Service
aa. Sidney Woodbury
bb. Travis Homer, FBI
cc. Ricky Wright, FBI
dd. Michael Douglass, FBI
ee. Mark Saari Social Security Investigator
ff. Jason Gwilliam
gg. Colby Ryan
hh. Jack Daybell
ii. Sheila Daybell
jj. Teresa Christensen, 2nd Grade Teacher
kk. Joshua Wilson, Kennedy Elementary School Principal
ll. Randy Lords, Madison School District
mm. Julie Black
nn. Dale Guthrie, MD
oo. Gary Auxier, MD
pp. Tim Jacks, MO
qq. Robert Minicola, Kauai Beach Resorts
rr. Shawn Derrick, Blue Sky Property
ss. Greg Krause
tt. Traci Singleton, IDHW
uu. Audrey Barattiero
vv. Reverend Colin Moore, AKA Kahu Coco
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR33-20-0302/Response to Request for Discovery-042020.pdf

NOTE - CHAD DAYBELL

I.R.E. 504 (d) (1)

Idaho Rules of Evidence Rule 504. Husband-Wife Privilege.

(a) Definition. A communication is "confidential" if it is made during marriage privately by any person to the person's spouse, and is not intended for disclosure to any other person.



(b) General rule of privilege. A person has a privilege to prevent testimony as to any confidential communication between the person and his or her spouse made during the marriage.



(c) Who may claim the privilege. The privilege may be claimed by the person or by the spouse on behalf of the person, or by the lawyer for the person on behalf of the person. The authority of the spouse or lawyer to do so is presumed in the absence of evidence to the contrary.



(d) Exceptions. There is no privilege under this rule:



(1) Child related communications. In a criminal or civil action or proceeding as to a communication relevant to an issue concerning the physical, mental or emotional condition of or injury to a child, or concerning the welfare of a child including, but not limited to the abuse, abandonment or neglect of a child.

https://isc.idaho.gov/ire504

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Screenshots to documents of Justin Lum's twitter post in above comment

Isn't it kind of interesting that we are probably seeing this even before Lori....

 

[Tortoise]

Re: mm on the witness list -

Julie Black, owner of Kauai Dreams Realty found an email [...] Would the owners be interested in leasing this property to a clean couple with no pets or children?"

Email shows Lori Vallow's husband home hunting for 'clean couple with no pets or children'

 

[CSIDreamer]

I would bet you this is the wedding service the lovely Daybells used:

About Hawaii wedding planner and minister Sweet Hawaii Wedding.

 

[BeachSky]

I was watching the bodycam video of Lori & Tylee at the murder scene of CV.
Turn the sound off. Watch only Tylee. She has her arms crossed, rocking her body back & forth, looks up & back behind Lori several times. Tylee’s body language,however you google it,says a lot IMO. Couple that with the previous video down at police station, where Tylee is touching Lori’s hand several times as Lori embellishes her story.
I don’t see Tylee complying with being “hidden”.
Sadly, IMO this daughter was a sensitive, no dummy, knew too much AND all of it was possibly wearing on her...so.


MOO

 

[BeachSky]

Listing the prosecution's witnesses, from the response to request for discovery. (name misspellings corrected by me)

a. Det. Ron Ball, RPD
b. Det. Ray Hermosillo, RPD
c. Det. Dave Stubbs, RPD
d. Det. Chuck Kunsaitis, RPD
e. Det. Dave Hope, RPD
f. Det. Rick Schmitt, RPDf
g. Det. Randy Reese, RPD
h. Officer Kellen Whetten, RPD
i. Det. Chad Cataluna, Kauai PD
j. Det. Ryan Pillar, Gilbert PD
k. Det. Nate Moffat, Chandler PD
l. Melanie Gibb
m. David Warwick
n. Chad Daybell (see IRE 504(d)(1))
o. Julie Wilcox
p. Larry Woodcock
q. Kay Woodcock
r. Adam Cox
s. Zackary Cox
t. Brandon Boudreaux
u. Melani Pawlowski
v. Ian Pawlowski
w. Leah Bernard
x. Seth Bernard
y. SAC Chris Smith, National Park Service
z. Deputy Chief Ranger Chris Flesch, National Park Service
aa. Sidney Woodbury
bb. Travis Homer, FBI
cc. Ricky Wright, FBI
dd. Michael Douglass, FBI
ee. Mark Saari Social Security Investigator
ff. Jason Gwilliam
gg. Colby Ryan
hh. Jack Daybell
ii. Sheila Daybell
jj. Teresa Christensen, 2nd Grade Teacher
kk. Joshua Wilson, Kennedy Elementary School Principal
ll. Randy Lords, Madison School District
mm. Julie Black
nn. Dale Guthrie, MD
oo. Gary Auxier, MD
pp. Tim Jacks, MO
qq. Robert Minicola, Kauai Beach Resorts
rr. Shawn Derrick, Blue Sky Property
ss. Greg Krause
tt. Traci Singleton, IDHW
uu. Audrey Barattiero
vv. Reverend Colin Moore, AKA Kahu Coco
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR33-20-0302/Response to Request for Discovery-042020.pdf

NOTE - CHAD DAYBELL

I.R.E. 504 (d) (1)

Idaho Rules of Evidence Rule 504. Husband-Wife Privilege.

(a) Definition. A communication is "confidential" if it is made during marriage privately by any person to the person's spouse, and is not intended for disclosure to any other person.



(b) General rule of privilege. A person has a privilege to prevent testimony as to any confidential communication between the person and his or her spouse made during the marriage.



(c) Who may claim the privilege. The privilege may be claimed by the person or by the spouse on behalf of the person, or by the lawyer for the person on behalf of the person. The authority of the spouse or lawyer to do so is presumed in the absence of evidence to the contrary.



(d) Exceptions. There is no privilege under this rule:



(1) Child related communications. In a criminal or civil action or proceeding as to a communication relevant to an issue concerning the physical, mental or emotional condition of or injury to a child, or concerning the welfare of a child including, but not limited to the abuse, abandonment or neglect of a child.

I.R.E. 504. Husband-Wife Privilege. | Supreme Court

ee. Mark Saari Social Security Investigator

Yasssss!
Has Lori has been spending Tylee & JJs Social Security money on herself?
Which could be combined as high as 4K (or more?)monthly.

Follow the money!
MOO

 

[Tortoise]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
1 min ·
Chandler Police PIO Jason McClimans tells me detectives are aware of the emails Charles Vallow sent to Banner Life last year. The case is still under investigation and has not been forwarded to the Maricopa County attorney’s office.

Full story below:
E-mails suggest Lori Vallow tried to lock ex-husband out of his life insurance account

 

[Monroe2]

ee. Mark Saari Social Security Investigator

Yasssss!
Has Lori has been spending Tylee & JJs Social Security money on herself?
Which could be as high as 4K (or more?)monthly.

Follow the money!
MOO

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
1 min ·
Chandler Police PIO Jason McClimans tells me detectives are aware of the emails Charles Vallow sent to Banner Life last year. The case is still under investigation and has not been forwarded to the Maricopa County attorney’s office.

Full story below:
E-mails suggest Lori Vallow tried to lock ex-husband out of his life insurance account

Heard bail hearing will be postponed again, don't know how accurate that is.

 

[Tortoise]

Heard bail hearing will be postponed again, don't know how accurate that is.

Yep, the order was signed yesterday but the hearing hasn't officially been moved yet. See post #423 above.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts
Case Information
CR33-20-0302 | State of Idaho Plaintiff, vs. Lori Norene Vallow Defendant.

• 04/21/2020 Subpoena Returned
  
  Comment
  Subpoena Duces Tecum (State of Idaho Office of Attorney General)
  
  
• 04/21/2020 Subpoena Returned
  
  Comment
  Subpoena Duces Tecum (Fremont County Prosecutor)
  
  
• 04/24/2020 Motion for Bond Reduction
  
  Judicial Officer
  Mallard, Michelle Radford
  
  Hearing Time
  2:00 PM
  
  
• 05/07/2020 Preliminary Hearing
  
  Judicial Officer
  Mallard, Michelle Radford
  
  Hearing Time
  9:00 AM
  
  
• 05/08/2020 Preliminary Hearing
  
  Judicial Officer
  Mallard, Michelle Radford
  
  Hearing Time
  9:00 AM
  
  
• **Seeing if this will change

 

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Look who's back...Vlogging in her car and trying to stay relevant. IF such a visionary she claims, what happen to seeing them on a beach and happy ? She will spin this into the afterlife..MOO

 

[Tortoise]

I have a feeling "I see Tammy dying" was Chad's chat-up line. I'm not suggesting they had an affair, but that he was dipping his toe in the water with JR when he told her that, whenever it was 3 or 4 years ago.

JMO

 

[Picklepuck]

Ugh. Bond hearing postponed again.

Nate Eaton on Twitter

Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

Now scheduled for Friday, May 1st at 2pm

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

@jlumfox10

HEARING MOVED: Due to COVID-19 precautions and the Idaho Supreme Court’s order extended, Lori Vallow’s bond reduction hearing is now on 5/1 at 2PM. #fox10phoenix





12:35 PM · Apr 22, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

 

[Monroe2]

Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

@jlumfox10

HEARING MOVED: Due to COVID-19 precautions and the Idaho Supreme Court’s order extended, Lori Vallow’s bond reduction hearing is now on 5/1 at 2PM. #fox10phoenix



https://twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1253044652552237056/photo/2

12:35 PM · Apr 22, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

Poo Lolo can't catch a break more time for her.to find some red

 

[Monroe2]

Poo Lolo can't catch a break more time for her.to find some red

Lipstick

 

[Sticksandspades]

Thanks! Just FYI there's 8 pages total. To view the others click the "show this thread" button at the bottom of Justin Lum's post.

The prosecution's response really highlights some of Mr. Means'... how shall I say it? lack of experience and/or how out of his depth he is on this case. Here's just a snippet, from one of their responses (No. 13), and my interpretation (i.e. MOO):

13. Response to Defendant's Discovery Request No. 13:

The State objects to Request No. 13 to the extent it has not already complied on the grounds that the requested items are outside the care and custody of Madison County Prosecutor's Office... (interpretation: You have already tried this stunt before and just as before we will not comply with your request because you are asking for stuff that we don't have and isn't even in our jurisdiction)

... and the deaths of the above mentioned individuals is irrelevant to the desertion of the minor children who are the subject of the above-captioned case. (and besides that the information you seek has nothing whatsoever to do with our case against your client, which is that her children are missing and Lori hasn't been taking care of them like she should be)

Further, the Madison County Prosecutor's Office has no jurisdiction over the investigation of the deaths of any of the mentioned individuals. (again, you're asking for stuff that is outside of our jurisdiction)

Any information the Madison County Prosecutor's Office may have pertaining to the deaths of the above mentioned individuals has already been provided to the Defense in the State's initial discovery disclosure and would be found in the Rexburg Police Report and accompanying documents. (We've already given you everything we have and that you need. Why don't you just read through what is already available to you?)

Further, the requested information is likely part of continuing investigations that investigating agencies have no duty to report during an investigation phase. (and as much as you'd like to get your hands on that information nobody is legally obligated to give it to you right now since it's part of an ongoing investigation.)

Nevertheless, the State further objects to Request No. 13 to the extent it has not already complied and to the extent that Request No. 13 requests the State to collect evidence for the Defendant. Please see the State's response to Request No. 9. (You have already tried this stunt before and as before we will not comply with your request because you are asking us to do your job for you. Do your own homework and collect your own evidence to defend your client)

Finally, the State objects to the Defendant's Request No. 13 in that it is overly broad, unduly burdensome, and outside the scope of I.C.R. 16 as it relates to the case currently before the Court. The State will comply with the requirements set out in Brady vs. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963) (Your request is way too broad, vague, would create an undue burden on us, and is outside of the scope of our laws. We've already provided and will continue to provide you with everything you legally need from us, now your legal obligation is to do your own research to defend your client instead of expecting us to do it for you)

At least they worded it very politely and professionally. But it still shows just how far off base some of the Defense' requests have been, and just how much out of their league they're batting. JMO.

Mr. Means certainly has had dealing with some shady characters - criminal defense is clearly not his specially as he notes on his error plagued website.

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