Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

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This attorney is saying that no way is Chad going to testify in Lori's child abandonment trial if he's not given a deal/immunity.

Can he be offered a deal that is tied to another case or different charges?
IMO Chad will be looking at Murder1 charges on TD and won’t get a plea deal. So no, he’ll plea the 5th as Scott says. Can’t wait for his arrest, tho. This is too slow!
 
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They may win in court but I cant imagine them not being charged for something.
They wont walk away LE isn't stupid I am sure they have a lot of info we don't know about, just look at everything we as a public know, you could probably triple that for LE
 
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They may win in court but I cant imagine them not being charged for something.
They wont walk away LE isn't stupid I am sure they have a lot of info we don't know about, just look at everything we as a public know, you could probably triple that for LE
 
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IMO Chad will be looking at Murder1 charges on TD and won’t get a plea deal. So no, he’ll plea the 5th as Scott says. Can’t wait for his arrest, tho. This is too slow!
So far it has been hinted that Alex was connected to Tammy's death. Which means that if they get Chad, Lori might be charged with something, too. I can't wait for her to be charged with Charles' murder.
 
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When i was younger in my early 20's i used to live above my means for the "image", leasing brand new bmws, getting into debt trying to keep up with the crowd etc, looking back it was all because i was young and insecure, people treated me differently when they thought i had money, at first this felt amazing to me, people that never paid me any attention before suddenly were all interested in getting to know me. After a while i realized this was all fake love and the same people wouldn't be around if it wasn't for the image i was putting out there and it no longer felt good to me, I wanted people to like me for me not what they thought i had.

Now in my mid 30's it feels amazing to not care about those same things anymore, its super liberating. Sure if you can truly afford it and want to buy nice expensive things because you like them go for it, just don't do it to please others or to boost your ego.
 
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OT - by chance just read about "The Jolly Black Widow" Nannie Doss, who killed four husbands, two children, her two sisters, her mother, a grandson, and a mother-in-law. Reminded me of this case.

ETA: "Many of her victims were family members with insurance policies she could cash in on, and she frequently crossed state lines after each kill to elude police attention." link
ETA2: "Her string of murders would have been enough of a curiosity, but she made an impression with her upbeat demeanor. She seemed to enjoy her notoriety, and even joked about her dead husbands with the press." "Her weapon of choice: arsenic, which she stirred into stewed prunes, coffee, or moonshine"

Wow :)
The story of Belle Gunness is also fascinating. She and her first husband had received large insurance payouts after first the candy store they ran and later their house burned down. Two of their young children died of acute colitis (which may have been caused by poisoning) and that first husband died 6 years into their marriage of a supposed cerebral hemorrhage on the day that two life insurance policies overlapped (one had just been purchased and the other was to expire the next day).

Belle purchased a farm in La Porte, Indiana (she had worked on a farm in Norway as well as after her arrival to America as a young woman). She married a widower who joined her there with his infant child (the child died shortly after arrival). Within a year of their marriage, that second husband died of a skull injury when a meat chopper supposedly fell off a high shelf.

Belle is believed to have killed many more men whom she had attracted though lonely hearts letters and the promise of marriage if the men would bring their fortunes and help her run her Indiana farm.

Belle eventually faked her own death by setting her own farmhouse on fire after placing the dead bodies of her remaining children and the headless corpse of a woman in the basement to be discovered after the fire. It is believed the headless corpse was that of a housekeeper who had answered an ad for a job. Belle had left her own false teeth to be discovered near the woman's corpse after the fire so the corpse might be identified as her.

Belle was never captured. Twelve sets of skeletonized remains of men who joined her at her farm only to later disappear were found buried near a hog pen on her property. A brother of the last man who left his home to join her after they exchanged many letters had approached Belle multiple times looking for his brother and he was not satisfied with the answers Belle gave him. He heard of the fire and came looking for his brother again. His brother's were the first of the remains that were dug up near the hog pen.

Of course, Belle's story occurred in the days when people were spread far and wide and before cellphones, smart phone and surveillance cameras, social media, emails, and vehicle tracking computers chronicled our every move. One hopes that all those technological tools and the mistakes a killer might make to be detected with those tools will serve to snare and convict such a person today.
 
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They wont walk away LE isn't stupid I am sure they have a lot of info we don't know about, just look at everything we as a public know, you could probably triple that for LE

I would love to be as confident as you. I also thought that Josh Powell would never get away with it and that they would close in. I do believe they are guilty, but I am not 100% confident that Chad won't just walk away. :(
 
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It appears to me that she was raised by her father who lives in another state, but she may have established a relationship with her mother's family, including LV, in Texas when she became an adult - either when she entered basic training at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio or when she graduated from it in 2008. In the press report about her graduation from basic training there, only her father and paternal grandmother are listed as family.

I'm not sure whether I can post that press report because I'm not precisely sure what MBP's status is as far as person of interest, suspect, witness, etc.

I'm curious which "family member" is screening responses to her post. That seems odd - to put a post out there and then to have someone else screen responses to it, as though you expect some negative responses that will be too painful to read, but are fishing for some particular responses as well. My guess - she and the family member(s) screening responses for her were hoping for responses from any of the children or from someone who may act as an intermediary to the children, such as a close friend of one of the children. If she was NOT hoping for a response from one of the children or their intermediary and she expected a negative response from others, why post it? The post seems provocative.

Quite frankly, in the context of everything else going on here, putting that provocative post out there and then having someone other than MBP cull the responses sounds like cult behavior - with MBP used as the lure to draw someone else in. If MBP is knowingly participating in that, that doesn't sound like someone who is coming out from under the spell of what has her spellbound.

MOO.

I would think that the family member she is referring to may be Lori's sister or sister in Law ZP, because both attended Court with MBP.
 
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If I remember her Feb 2019 trip is in the timeline. I could be wrong. Jmo
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Right. But there are conflicts with other sources. The timeline says she spend all 58 days in Hawaii; other sources say it was only a month and the rest of the time was in San Tan Valley with Alex.

If it was just a month then her arrival on the mainland coincided roughly with Charles pulling JJ out of school and heading to Houston, as well as him cancelling the divorce proceedings. Which is baffling.

Tylee also indicated she spent some time on her own at Alex's house, and she gives this info in her Chandler police statement to explain why she kept a baseball bat in her bedroom, the day Charles was killed. So I wonder where Lori was then?
 
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I would love to be as confident as you. I also thought that Josh Powell would never get away with it and that they would close in. I do believe they are guilty, but I am not 100% confident that Chad won't just walk away. :(
I know I could very well be wrong, but.chad seems to be involved in so many acts with lori, it just seems there is so much to work with, I hope I'm right
 
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iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts

CR33-20-0302 | State of Idaho Plaintiff, vs. Lori Norene Vallow Defendant.
  • 05/01/2020 Motion for Bond Reduction

    Judicial Officer
    Mallard, Michelle Radford

    Hearing Time
    2:00 PM

  • 05/07/2020 Preliminary Hearing

    Judicial Officer
    Mallard, Michelle Radford

    Hearing Time
    9:00 AM

  • 05/08/2020 Preliminary Hearing

    Judicial Officer
    Mallard, Michelle Radford

    Hearing Time
    9:00 AM
 
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iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts
CR33-20-0302 | State of Idaho Plaintiff, vs. Lori Norene Vallow Defendant.
  • 04/28/2020 Motion

    Comment
    Declared Motion for Emergency Hearing RE: Amended Motion to Amend Bond
  • 04/28/2020 Motion

    Comment
    to Vacate and Reset Preliminary Hearing
  • 04/28/2020 Request for Discovery
  • 04/28/2020 Stipulation

    Comment
    RE: Motion to Vacate and Reset Preliminary Hearing


  • 05/01/2020 Motion for Bond Reduction

    Judicial Officer
    Mallard, Michelle Radford

    Hearing Time
    2:00 PM
 
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I really wish the Cox family would do something to get themselves named in the case so we could sleuth them...
 
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Poor Tylee , the things she had to endure being dragged around by this Narcissist mother.
Judge Lynn Toler says :
if you raise children in a tornado , their brains become scrambled &
they don’t stand a chance



MOO
 
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