Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

[watergirl62]

Means: There is an admission of recordings.
Judge: You keep saying that the recordings are being passed along, but I am not seeing anything that supports that they were passing them around.

Means: Multiple recordings.
Judge: Two recordings.

Means: There were recordings made. I dont know how many. They were passed on at least to the prosecution.
Judge: People must log in (probation officers, etc) to access jail conversations. They are not passed around.
Means: I have outstanding discovery requests.
Judge: You are entitled to your clients statements.

Means: Not a fan of ambush litigation.
New facts have come to life.
It was my hope the prosecution would explain it to the court.
They did not and now I have to.

Judge: I need to make a decision based on what is before me.
You did not include any of your arguments in your filings.
I cant use your statements in argument as evidence.
If you want me to rely on facts, I rely on what is before me.

Means: I don't want to take it further than we need to.
I will save any additional remarks.

Judge cuts him off and notes the time passed and remaining to give Woods a chance to respond.
Reiterates: I was not asked to review Judge Eddins decision. Standard I am applying is 'good cause.'

 

[MTW2011]

Oh boo hoo, not as many people are buying books from Chad, that’s a great reason to lower or get rid of her bail completely. How silly

 

[JosefZ]

Awww, poow widdle Lori and Chad. People aren’t buying books, she’s not doing hair,...WTF. Where are the kids Means?

 

[Hatfield]

Just tuning in to the court proceedings.

Wow.

IMO the defense lawyer does have a good point if there were recordings made of his discussions with his client and somehow the prosecution got to look at them.

The judge said a similar system that she knows about (not this particular one) does allow online access to look at recorded jail discussions by LE, DAs, Prosecution team, etc.

That sounds like a legitimate concern. Im not sure how the judge could reconcile if that had happened. Maybe one thing she could do is to not allow any statements used in the trial from those discussions.

But even if they are never allowed in the trial, it still would have given the prosecution team an advantage to know what the defense attorney and client discussed.

IMO all jails and how they are handling the COVID crisis need to be very careful in how they are handling things because if they are not careful then more of these types of issues will come up in other trials. I am already aware of another case where the defense lawyer is complaining they cannot guarantee privacy with their client. That is a big deal and it needs to be fixed.

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

People aren't buying books???? UM, I just spent over a hundred bucks (AGAIN) to get me through the rest of the safe at home order.

 

[BUF]

judge is very accommodating

 

[Anonymous91]

Captain Freaking Obvious.

Mr. Means: Because of Covid-19 my client is out of work (obviously), people are staying home, people aren't buying books(Really?), etc.

As if we don't understand the economic impact this has on everyone. What does any of that have to do with LVD?

I've got a great idea, transfer her to Guantanamo Bay in the meantime. I'm sure they would love to have her. Case Closed.

MOO

 

[Diddian]

Goodness. He is talking with the judge about moving the preliminary back into early June WITHOUT consulting with his client, who is sitting right next to him.

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

"You are mad about July? OK let's do it in May!?" Um, no that's okay,

 

[Deerrun]

I like the judge.

Yes she is awesome and she stays so calm. Means is stammering now I think he knows hes blown it. Jmo

 

[JosefZ]

Whew...

 

[watergirl62]

Means: something about Covid 19 postponements
Judge: Preliminary hearing was postponed based on your motion.
If you want preliminary hearing in May or June we can do that.

They discuss arrangements made previously to allow Means access to LV in the Covid19 situation. For the record.
Means asks court to take all of the above into consideration.
I cant prepare her case with these limitations and the potential of recording and the economic downturn.
HE SITS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BUF]

Lori looks like a hairy mannequin with a mask sitting over there.

 

[Gardenkeep]

IMO, her defense attorney is a S**t show. Not impressed with his allegations, gut feelings, and running in circles about what he wants done, not done or when he wants something done, not done. He pushes, uses side comments that are inflammatory, and when given resolution or challenged, he back peddels. I am not impressed.

 

[Diddian]

As I watch this hearing on a motion, with attorneys for both sides presenting, I must say that there is NO WAY trials before juries can be heard with masks worn by attorneys or witnesses. Courts are going to have to figure out a way to conduct trials and achieve the necessary social distancing without them.

Citizen jurors consider the demeanor of these parties as well as what they are saying and they cannot do so with their faces blocked.

 

[BUF]

As I watch this hearing on a motion, with attorneys for both sides presenting, I must say that there is NO WAY trials before juries can be heard with masks worn by attorneys or witnesses. Courts are going to have to figure out a way to conduct trials and achieve the necessary social distancing without them.

Citizen jurors consider the demeanor of these parties as well as what they are saying and they cannot do so with their faces blocked.

I agree, but they may not have a choice if this continues. This is a first for us and it is way weird, but it may be the new norm for a while.

 

[sassyblue]

Means' 90 minutes of word salad appears to have scrambled the brains of the prosecutor too.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Mr. Means: I have a gut feeling that I was being recorded, I have no proof, but I know it happened, because I feel it in my gut. ROFLMAO

MOO

He said that???

 

[fred&edna]

Means: something about Covid 19 postponements
Judge: Preliminary hearing was postponed based on your motion.
If you want preliminary hearing in May or June we can do that.

They discuss arrangements made previously to allow Means access to LV in the Covid19 situation. For the record.
Means asks court to take all of the above into consideration.
I cant prepare her case with these limitations and the potential of recording and the economic downturn.
HE SITS DOWN!!!!!!!!!!

I can't thank you enough for transcribing "highlights" of this hearing... had to be torture You have done an excellent job... and it's not even over yet.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

I think Lori fell asleep during the end of Means argument about recorded calls.