Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

[mommacass]

Just in:

This is a CBS This Morning clip.

 

[tresir2012]

Could be. One day there were 2 hours worth of calls to the number. I'm kind of wondering if it's Chad, too. Jmo

Couldn't be who has the kids could it? Wishful thinking.

 

[tresir2012]

Just in:

This is a CBS This Morning clip.

Ok just in that clip, JC said she spoke to Jj by phone on 1 Oct. They were asked if they have asked her where the kids are and she said that Lori is in jail and all calls are recorded so they cannot talk about it. They say she would not harm the kids. Something is weird here because I don't believe them. I bet the Hawaii calls are JC and the AZ calls are SS IMO. If JC spoke to JJ by phone on 1 Oct then where were they then because he was pulled out of school 23 Sept to go to Grandma's? That was also the day before the storage butt slap and spare tyre and seat removal.

 

[KCVA]

Did anyone notice Lori's phone log for 3/29-4/1 attached to Lt. Jared Willmore's affidavit?

She has numerous 30 minute calls to area code 808 (Hawaii).
There is a call to the 480 area code (Arizona).
And two calls to another 480 number that didn't answer.
She is on the phone a lot.

Also, she had a female visitor. Hmmm.

eta: The parents lawsuit was filed in Hawaii. Maybe she is talking to bio family?
Any ideas?

I thought that the reference was to the female visitation area/room/check in. Not necessarily that the visitor was a female. JMO. I’ve never visited a jail

 

[Nosurprise]

Ok just in that clip, JC said she spoke to Jj by phone on 1 Oct. They were asked if they have asked her where the kids are and she said that Lori is in jail and all calls are recorded so they cannot talk about it. They say she would not harm the kids. Something is weird here because I don't believe them. I bet the Hawaii calls are JC and the AZ IMO. If she spoke to JJ by phone on 1 Oct then where were they then because he was pulled out of school 23 Sept to go to Grandma's.

All lies and smiles..BS

 

[Ohmeohmy]

The family complains yet ..2 kids are missing.

 

[SeattleStew]

I'm having a hard time screen shotting the phone bill from the CBS News video. It scrolled too fast during the video for me to see what JC was talking about.

Anyone here able to capture that?

 

[Tortoise]

Ok just in that clip, JC said she spoke to Jj by phone on 1 Oct. They were asked if they have asked her where the kids are and she said that Lori is in jail and all calls are recorded so they cannot talk about it. They say she would not harm the kids. Something is weird here because I don't believe them. I bet the Hawaii calls are JC and the AZ IMO. If she spoke to JJ by phone on 1 Oct then where were they then because he was pulled out of school 23 Sept to go to Grandma's.

"He just takes the phone, you know, ff, the, and he knows, you know, he knows who we are."

Mm, funny.

Oct 1
3 pm
call details -

number 480.692.9562
origination - Queen Cree, AZ,
destination - Incoming CL,
minutes - 97.

Lori was at the storage unit at 3.32pm but that clock might have been off by an hour.

 

[SeattleStew]

Boosting this from @Gardener1850 timeline:

Late Sept 2019 – The son of one of Lori’s Rexburg neighbors asks if JJ can come play with him; Lori tells the child JJ went to live with his grandma “ … one of their children went to Lori’s apartment sometime in late September to play with JJ, and the child was informed by Lori Vallow that JJ was not there and that he had gone to stay with his grandma” (Affidavit of Probable Cause Doc; East Idaho News).

And JC says she spoke with JJ on October 1 2019 and has the receipts.

He wasn''t with KW and LW.

Can't have it both ways, LV and CD.

 

[SeattleStew]

"He just takes the phone, you know, ff, the, and he knows, you know, he knows who we are."

Mm, funny.

Oct 1
3 pm
call details -

number 480.692.9562
origination - Queen Cree, AZ,
destination - Incoming CL,
minutes - 97.

Lori was at the storage unit at 3.32pm but that clock might have been off by an hour.

Excellent recap @Tortoise The noose is tightening. I think Rexburg and AZ are on Mountain time?
But, AZ doesn't "fall back" so was it 3:00 same time, both places?

How convenient for LV to be "on the phone" with JC while also "running errands" with CD at the same time.

 

[SeattleStew]

From @Gardener1850 timeline:

1 Oct 2019 – Lori’s brother Alex is served with an eviction notice for his San Tan Valley rental house (Court docs).

1 Oct 2019, 2:08 - 2:32 pm - Lori signs a $53-per-month rental agreement for a 10×10 unit at Self Storage Plus in Rexburg. Oct 1 is the only time Lori visits the unit alone; She is driving a blue Nissan Rogue. She is seen removing a heavy tote from her car and placing it into the unit after she signs the contract. Later CCTV shows Lori and/or a man associated with her visiting the unit nine times in October and once in November (East Idaho News, Dateline).

Bumping due to the new interview. I'm personally trying to get this all straight in my head. I posted above that LV and CD were together on 10/1, but looking again, it says LV alone on that 10/1 visit.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Just in:

This is a CBS This Morning clip.

Watching and listening to them makes my blood boil with seething anger. This family is the definition of evil. Moo.

 

[Sticksandspades]

Ok just in that clip, JC said she spoke to Jj by phone on 1 Oct. They were asked if they have asked her where the kids are and she said that Lori is in jail and all calls are recorded so they cannot talk about it. They say she would not harm the kids. Something is weird here because I don't believe them. I bet the Hawaii calls are JC and the AZ calls are SS IMO. If JC spoke to JJ by phone on 1 Oct then where were they then because he was pulled out of school 23 Sept to go to Grandma's? That was also the day before the storage butt slap and spare tyre and seat removal.

Yet, she's only been in jail since January - how about between end of Nov and the arrest in Hawaii - whats the excuse for that time period?

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Did anyone notice Lori's phone log for 3/29-4/1 attached to Lt. Jared Willmore's affidavit?

She has numerous 30 minute calls to area code 808 (Hawaii).
There is a call to the 480 area code (Arizona).
And two calls to another 480 number that didn't answer.
She is on the phone a lot.

Also, she had a female visitor. Hmmm.

eta: The parents lawsuit was filed in Hawaii. Maybe she is talking to bio family?
Any ideas?

Nice catch! Congratulations.

 

[Spartygirl]

RSBM and BBM. And apologies in advance for the wall of text.

Some things about Melani and Ian's account have never sat right with me. Above I've bolded some of the things that bother me about their account, and here are some of my thoughts on them. All MOO, of course.

• The quick marriage. Who does that? Really? Two weeks from when they supposedly met and had a "first date?" I'll tell you who - Lori and Chad. And, as it turns out, evidence eventually turns up that they (Chad and Lori) knew each other much longer than the two week claim, and also that there was likely infidelity between them while their former spouses were still alive. While I'm not willing to say the same is true for Ian and Melani at this point, it is most certainly a cause for a "quick marriage" and something worth considering. I can almost certainly guarantee that nobody, especially in Latter-day Saint circles (even considering our focus on marriage and families), gets married after having only known each other for only two weeks. There has to be more to this story than what is being told. And none of it's good (thus why it's not being told).

• Ian wanted to go to the police with his ex-wife. So his ex-wife had some very serious concerns about their children being exposed to the Vallow family circle (good on her!) and felt justified in taking her concerns to the police. So why in the world would Ian (who is now married to Melani at this point) insist on going with his ex-wife to see the police about it? Was it because he shared the same concerns? I find that highly doubtful, especially in light of later actions by IP. A more likely reason is either A) he wants to control the narrative - "Melani and her extended family are good people, I married into their family after all" or B) he wants to know what his ex-wife is telling authorities and/or what LE has to say about the situation of the missing children - he wants to find what all they know. Both motives don't show a concern for others, but rather a clear and distinct concern only for one's self. What a shock for him then to be "unexpectedly... met there by FBI agents." FBI involvement means this is on a whole new level and he likely feels stressed and pressured into going along with them and agreeing to wear a wire to help find the missing kids, even though he could probably care less about them. It's likely all about self-preservation for him at this point and he wants to appear like he is cooperating with the investigation and try to make it look like he's distancing himself from the group when in truth he's probably in up to his neck with them. Evidence of this is the fact that after wearing a wire for the FBI for two weeks, "which ultimately did not yield any information," Ian admits to Melani that he had been spying on her for the FBI, and decides he is no longer interested in cooperating with the FBI. So why in the world would he not have a desire to help the FBI find the missing children? The only reason I can see is that there is apparently a conflict of interest going on. Is Ian somehow personally involved with the missing children? Is he a fully committed member of the Vallow/Daybell group? Regardless of the reasoning it surely does look like it's purely out of a selfish motive of self-preservation or some other self-interest.

• Melani's support of Lori. Why has Melani still been supportive of Lori "despite her arrest on felony charges of child desertion?" I get supporting family members and wanting to believe and/or hoping in the best for them. But isn't Tylee and JJ family too? Shouldn't Melani be concerned for the well-being and safety of her cousins? Especially since they are minor children, have been missing and endangered for nearly eight (8!) months, and nobody seems to know where they are? And Melani, of all people, who was practically raised by Lori herself, hasn't seen them and "does not know where the children are?" And she's not concerned in the slightest about that?!? Something is clearly not right here. Like in the above point about Ian, the only explanation for this is one of self-interest. Is Melani somehow involved in their disappearance? Does she know something incriminating? If she turns on Lori for the missing children can Lori turn on her for the attempt on BB's life? I suspect, whatever the case may be, that protecting/supporting Lori is, in fact, protecting/supporting Melani because she's deep in the middle of this dumpster fire of epic and tragic proportions. And she can't afford to (or at least feels that she can't) do anything but support Lori at the expense of everyone and everything else. How wrong she would be if that's her thought process.

• Melani believes her new husband was "confused" for trying to help LE find the missing kids? In all seriousness, Melani "said she felt her husband was meaning to do the right thing, but was 'confused'?!?” What kind of perverted and twisted logic is that? How patronizing! How condescending! So, according to Melani, looking out for the safety and well-being of two missing and endangered kids, one of whom is not even old enough or even capable of caring for himself, is not "the right thing" to be doing? Like what the actual facepalm?!? Ian was simply "confused" when he tried to help the FBI track down and find out what happened to her missing cousins? Seriously?!? Melani admittedly and supposedly has no clue where the children are, or what happened to them, and she somehow thinks "the right thing" to do is shrug your shoulders and essentially say "oh well, not my problem?" What a shockingly egregious and deplorable thing for her to suggest! For her to entertain such a thought, let alone vocalize it to the whole world, clearly shows her lack of empathy for other people. She clearly only cares about herself and how Ian betrayed her for "meaning to do the right thing" by trying to find out what happened to these missing kids. But, according to her own words, he was in the wrong and "confused" for trying to help solve a crime involving missing children. I just can't even fathom such a callous and uncharitable attitude. Especially from someone who is a mother herself. Ugh!

• Melani is still with Ian. So supposedly Ian and Melani are both recently divorced after years and years of marriage, both of them bringing several children into the world with their former spouses. They quickly remarry to each other after having only met and gotten to know one other over a two week period. And then supposedly Ian willingly and knowingly agrees to "working as an FBI informant" against Melani, Lori, and Chad for several weeks. He has a change of heart and mind during this time, apparently believing that his relationship with his new wife was more important to him than helping LE find two missing and endangered children. He eventually tells Melani about his role in spying on her and her family. She feels greatly betrayed, but they kiss and make up because Ian "was meaning to do the right thing," but was simply "confused." She lovingly and patiently explains the situation to him until he "started to see her perspective," and that "this is not all the hype it’s made out to be," but, strangely, if we take Melani at her own word, she can't even really explain what's truly going on because she hasn't seen the children and "she does not know where the children are." Someone is clearly being lied to here, and I believe it's the public. How would Melani be able to put Ian's mind and heart at ease that this whole case is all some great big misunderstanding, provide him with an explanation that satisfies his curiosity and concerns enough to stick with her and not provide any more help to the evil LE who are doing the wrong thing by trying to find Tylee and JJ, but she can't even provide a plain and simple explanation to the public about what's going on and admits that she doesn't even know where the kids are let alone if they are safe. Their story just doesn't make any sense. There's clearly more going on with them than they're letting on. Ian seems to be just as invested in their relationship as Melani is with him. And let's not forget that Melani, while not currently implicated with any involvement in BB's attempted murder, does have a criminal past and has been involved with at least criminal trespassing. So why is Ian sticking with Melani? She is recently divorced, has a lot of potential baggage following her what with custody disputes, an arrest record, potential involvement in attempted murder, has close family ties with people who come with their own set of baggage and criminal histories, and apparently has at least some insider information about the missing kids (enough to set his mind at ease at least). And why is Melani still sticking with Ian? Very similarly he is recently divorced, has a lot of potential baggage following him with potential custody disputes, a criminal record for DV, he betrayed her trust by spying on her for LE (or did he?), etc. And yet here they are both supporting each other and sticking together through their hurried wedding and all that swirls around them. Just like Chad and Lori. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

MOO, in case I need to say it again.

I agree with your complete opinion
This whole Dateline episode and everything they BOTH said was just a documentary of BS
They BOTH are in CYA mode- that is all it was about.

 

[Sticksandspades]

This only proves there was a phone call - but doesn't prove with whom.....also if 10/1 the last time she spoke with JJ - how helpful is that? Where's the evidence she spoke with him after that? Wasn't she concerned? He's still missing. Why are these folks so confident the children are OK? Remember JC's other grandson's opinion.

 

[Deerrun]

Watching and listening to them makes my blood boil with seething anger. This family is the definition of evil. Moo.

This family is psycho, imo. One thing I have not seen from any member of this family is any grief or sorrow related to Alex Cox. I think the supposed phone call from Lori to Alex or vice versa stating breathing troubles and Melanie's phone call stating same are some kind of cover or just checking in to see if poison is taking affect. Jmo moo JC and SC are not belivable period. They are in denial

 

[Diddian]

All lies and smiles..BS

Yes. Lori has not been in jail from October 1 (the day JC says she had a phone call from JJ); she was arrested in Hawaii in late February of this year.

Rexburg PD came for the welfare check on JJ on November 26. In Kauai, Lori was served with a Child Protective Order to produce the kids by January 30. She and Chad were served with warrants to search their persons, vehicle, and condo on January 26. Lori was arrested February 20.

So, what are we to make of Summer's dismissive claim that they can't ask Lori where the kids are because she is in jail?

Did they ask on November 26?
Did they ask on November 27?
Did they ask on November 28 (Thanksgiving)?
Did they ask on November 29?
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.
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Did they ask on December 24 (Christmas Eve)?
Did they ask on December 25 (Christmas, when one might expect that grandparents would at least talk with their
grandchildren, if not exchange gifts with them)?
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Did they ask on January 1 (New Year's Day)?
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You get the gist.

 

[Drc40]

That interview was nothing but a PR campaign for Lolo.

 

[watergirl62]

Excellent recap @Tortoise The noose is tightening. I think Rexburg and AZ are on Mountain time?
But, AZ doesn't "fall back" so was it 3:00 same time, both places?

How convenient for LV to be "on the phone" with JC while also "running errands" with CD at the same time.

It would have been an hour ahead in Rexburg because the switch from MDT to MST hadn't happened yet.

eta: And on 10/1 in Queen Creek, AZ it would be MST because of no observation of DST.