Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

[Diddian]

lori being in possession of Charles PHONE and HIS CAR at the very moment HER brother shot him dead is premed and conspiracy straight up in my books.

there was absolutely zero justifiable reason for lori to be in control of these things, that oddly enough removed any chance of Charles getting away or seeking help.

this is the stupidest incriminating thing she did.

keep it up lori.....hopeful there is a lot more of it.

so glad the fbi are now looking into husband #3's convenient heart attack.

moo

I completely agree and I wonder why she did it. My bet is that Lori had at some point before July 11 discovered that she no longer had password access to Charles' life insurance policy account, so she did not KNOW for certain whether she was still the named beneficiary.

So, she likely drove somewhere where she could privately search the car, any documents Charles might have with him in the car that day, and his phone for correspondence, emails, phone calls, and text history to see whether she could find any way to make sure she was still beneficiary to that $1 million policy. She couldn't do that in Charles' presence, nor could she sit in the driveway and do it after shots might be heard by neighbors.

 

[Picklepuck]

Right - and be prepared to prove that statement. Did LVD ask SS to ask AxC? Wish she had said it was a text...phone calls are he said/she said. They've had months to come up with unverifiable excuses for everything.

Didn't AxC say in the body cam video that he went to Lori's to hang out or go do something together (can't remember exact words), yet Lori stated she asked AxC to come over because she expected Charles to cause some trouble? No mention of Summer asking AxC to be there. I don't trust any of them, but in this case, I'm going to say LVD was being truthful in the sense that SHE requested for Alex to be there. The rest of what she said sounded like all lies, i.e. they were afraid of what Charles might do. Again , I am paraphrasing, but you get the gist, I hope.
JMO MOO

 

[Diddian]

Didn't AxC say in the body cam video that he went to Lori's to hang out or go do something together (can't remember exact words), yet Lori stated she asked AxC to come over because she expected Charles to cause some trouble? No mention of Summer asking AxC to be there. I don't trust any of them, but in this case, I'm going to say LVD was being truthful in the sense that SHE requested for Alex to be there. The rest of what she said sounded like all lies, i.e. they were afraid of what Charles might do. Again , I am paraphrasing, but you get the gist, I hope.
JMO MOO

Yes, when the officer asked AxC why he stayed overnight when he lived relatively close, AxC stated that they had plans to go out and do some fun things together that day.

AxC also misspelled Charles Vallow's last name as "Vallo" to the officer. Surely, AxC knew how to spell the name since Lori had the SAME last name for years. When considering that this was a new address for Lori and Charles' wallet was not onsite so ID could not be checked (it was with Lori in the car, IIRC), my guess is that AxC hoped to obscure Charles' identity so LE did not quickly get access to the records about past disputes between the Vallows or about Charles' petition to have Lori committed for short term psych evaluation.

 

[carbuff]

Yes, when the officer asked AxC why he stayed overnight when he lived relatively close, AxC stated that they had plans to go out and do some fun things together that day.

AxC also misspelled Charles Vallow's last name as "Vallo" to the officer. Surely, AxC knew how to spell the name since Lori had the SAME last name for years. When considering that this was a new address for Lori and Charles' wallet was not onsite so ID could not be checked (it was with Lori in the car, IIRC), my guess is that AxC hoped to obscure Charles' identity so LE did not quickly get access to the records about past disputes between the Vallows or about Charles' petition to have Lori committed for short term psych evaluation.

Either that or he's one of those people who can't spell. (Like the one I happen to be married to, who sometimes doesn't notice that he has misspelled his own name...)

 

[k-mac]

I completely agree and I wonder why she did it. My bet is that Lori had at some point before July 11 discovered that she no longer had password access to Charles' life insurance policy account, so she did not KNOW for certain whether she was still the named beneficiary.

So, she likely drove somewhere where she could privately search the car, any documents Charles might have with him in the car that day, and his phone for correspondence, emails, phone calls, and text history to see whether she could find any way to make sure she was still beneficiary to that $1 million policy. She couldn't do that in Charles' presence, nor could she sit in the driveway and do it after shots might be heard by neighbors.

I get what your point is here diddian but I think your giving lori way too much credit!!
<modsnip>
but maybe she could surprise us with all that?......
imo and its just a hunch...I don't think lori knew Charles had found out she had readded herself to the policy.
once he was aware of her shannanigans there is no way she could have access or information to that policy. not a chance in hell.
and even if what you think is possible that she was out trying to snoop in his phone. the killing had happened. set up. done and dusted.
bit late to check if its all about $$$$$??

I just think it was simply to disarm Charles.
knowing full well alex was going to kill him in the house.

lori was mad as hell when she found out kay was the benificary.(both times)

moo

 

[k-mac]

Yes, when the officer asked AxC why he stayed overnight when he lived relatively close, AxC stated that they had plans to go out and do some fun things together that day.

AxC also misspelled Charles Vallow's last name as "Vallo" to the officer. Surely, AxC knew how to spell the name since Lori had the SAME last name for years. When considering that this was a new address for Lori and Charles' wallet was not onsite so ID could not be checked (it was with Lori in the car, IIRC), my guess is that AxC hoped to obscure Charles' identity so LE did not quickly get access to the records about past disputes between the Vallows or about Charles' petition to have Lori committed for short term psych evaluation.

yep totally!
stupid but cunning as foxes these coxes!

moo

 

[k-mac]

chads little doomsday crew all see themselves all gangsta and too cool for the rest of us zombies.....

they have no comprehension that the rest of the universe sees them as emperor's with no clothes

moo

 

[carbuff]

yep totally!
stupid but cunning as foxes these coxes!

moo

And not known for cooperating with LE or the government...

 

[Picklepuck]

Okay, here's a couple of questions: my memory may be clouded, but (1) did the FBI/LE say they captured Tylee, JJ, Lori and Alex on camera entering the park? Like, in a vehicle together (Alex's truck)? I know it's been mentioned there are cameras at the entrance points, or at the very least, at the west entrance. (2) If so, has that photo been released, or just the one on Lori's icloud account? (3) Are there any other photos that I may have not seen that were captured either on one of their cell phones or possibly entering the park, beside the two pics where Tylee is hugging JJ in one pic, and the one where Lori has a hoodie on with JJ in the forefront? Thanks in advance.
One of these days, when I have an entire day, I need to go back through all 31 threads to see what I may have missed.

 

[Sticksandspades]

lori being in possession of Charles PHONE and HIS CAR at the very moment HER brother shot him dead is premed and conspiracy straight up in my books.

there was absolutely zero justifiable reason for lori to be in control of these things, that oddly enough removed any chance of Charles getting away or seeking help.

this is the stupidest incriminating thing she did.

keep it up lori.....hopeful there is a lot more of it.

so glad the fbi are now looking into husband #3's convenient heart attack.

moo

Right - who's 'bugging' who, who had the Agenda?
I wonder if these CFMs (Cox Family Members) are going to try to claim that the change in beneficiary was the threat and confirmation CV wanted Kay to have JJ.....twisted just twisted

 

[Sticksandspades]

Didn't AxC say in the body cam video that he went to Lori's to hang out or go do something together (can't remember exact words), yet Lori stated she asked AxC to come over because she expected Charles to cause some trouble? No mention of Summer asking AxC to be there. I don't trust any of them, but in this case, I'm going to say LVD was being truthful in the sense that SHE requested for Alex to be there. The rest of what she said sounded like all lies, i.e. they were afraid of what Charles might do. Again , I am paraphrasing, but you get the gist, I hope.
JMO MOO

They are certainly revisionist historians

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Rsbm.It's in the Dateline episode. Zulema's lawyers recount the incident beginning with a phone call from Lori to Zulema.


Ok. I am the Queen of making jokes during stressful situations. And I understand that people born before, say, 1980, have a trained response of "smiling for the camera" no matter the circumstances. I actually took a photo in NYC on 9/11 of the towers burning and my friend smiled for the camera. Because cameras were not as ubiquitous then and we had been trained for decades that you smiled when you faced that lens. It was like a reflex, horribly captured on camera. It happens.
... THAT BEING SAID...
If I were a grandmother in this situation, I would at least seem A LITTLE concerned about the whereabouts of my grandchildren! I would shed a tear of worry for them, and over the situation of my wrongly-accused daughter! And at the very last second of this clip these two women both gleefully pull on full-teeth grins for the cameras!! even for me, the Queen of awkward, I think the most I would be able to muster under (what should be) crippling anxiety about the welfare of my loved ones, would be a demure half-smile

Yes, when the officer asked AxC why he stayed overnight when he lived relatively close, AxC stated that they had plans to go out and do some fun things together that day.

AxC also misspelled Charles Vallow's last name as "Vallo" to the officer. Surely, AxC knew how to spell the name since Lori had the SAME last name for years. When considering that this was a new address for Lori and Charles' wallet was not onsite so ID could not be checked (it was with Lori in the car, IIRC), my guess is that AxC hoped to obscure Charles' identity so LE did not quickly get access to the records about past disputes between the Vallows or about Charles' petition to have Lori committed for short term psych evaluation.

Maybe he misspelled it bc he had some kind of brain abnormality. Damaged somehow. Or mental deficiency. Would certainly explain why he was led around by his sister to do everything she said to do, no moral compass of his own. What if the family has some DNA damage. Missing some sequence.
I’m not a geneticist, no med training, just thinking out loud. Like JJ may be autistic bc of alleged drug abuse by his bio mom. Maybe the family has a gene that’s hereditary and causes personality issues that some family members can control, others cannot control.

 

[Sticksandspades]

Yes, when the officer asked AxC why he stayed overnight when he lived relatively close, AxC stated that they had plans to go out and do some fun things together that day.

AxC also misspelled Charles Vallow's last name as "Vallo" to the officer. Surely, AxC knew how to spell the name since Lori had the SAME last name for years. When considering that this was a new address for Lori and Charles' wallet was not onsite so ID could not be checked (it was with Lori in the car, IIRC), my guess is that AxC hoped to obscure Charles' identity so LE did not quickly get access to the records about past disputes between the Vallows or about Charles' petition to have Lori committed for short term psych evaluation.

Good point - and why stay over night in a sparsely furnished house if you live close by - just go in the morning.

 

[Sticksandspades]

Documents sent by Chad Daybell reveal so-called 'past lives' of Lori Vallow

This document was sent as an attachment to LVD by CD on 1/22/20, it's a listing of LVD's alleged past lives. Notice Elena.

Second document shows Elena and James's 7 Children. Notice Melanie.(apparently one of the blacked out names is JJ).

More to come at 9 pm.

ETA second file.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

Good point - and why stay over night in a sparsely furnished house if you live close by - just go in the morning.

And why stay for days, as the neighbors reported to the homeowner?

Do we have an address for AxC in July? He lives in San Tan Valley so certainly less than 20 miles away.

 

[155etta]

Documents sent by Chad Daybell reveal so-called 'past lives' of Lori Vallow

This document was sent as an attachment to LVD by CD on 1/22/20, it's a listing of LVD's alleged past lives.

What a load of crap.

 

[Sticksandspades]

What a load of crap.

It gets better....Elena and James the Just (Chad) had 7 Children (Melanie and JJ among them).

 

[Drc40]

DBM

 

[fuzzybutter]

I take your point to heart, I thought about how much Lori lies while writing about how many grandmas there are. My point is Lori can say in court under oath that JJ is living with his grandma and if all those grandmas aren't accounted for we, and LE, can't say for certain she is lying. A box that needs to be checked by LE to catch her in that lie where she said JJ went to live with grandma.

I admit this is a real stretch, Lolo liked to sprinkle in a little Hawaiian at times. Hawaiians sometimes use Kapuna/Kupuna for grandmother or grandfather but it can also mean caretaker, esteemed elder, ancestor, etc. So she could be saying JJ is with "grandma" meaning Kupuna meaning just about anything.

Meaning of Kupuna
Hawaiian Children Love Their Tutus

Lori has already lied to LE about JJ's whereabouts--that's when they said to her no, a real Grandma is the one who called us. Then she said he is in Salt Lake City with a friend watching a disney movie. Another lie. And what a surprise, within 24 hours of telling those 2 lies to LE she and Chad had fled Rexburg. I am not a lawyer. Stating that JJ is with an unidentified grandma does nothing to bolster her case and I would suggest that if she won't identify that grandma LE doesn't need to do anything. The prosecution will just add it to the list of lies she has told. I am guessing much of the desertion case is going to be built on the different lies she has told many people. She couldn't even keep her story straight when she talked about why the kids weren't around.

Right now, the prosecution is crafting a story to present to the jury. This story will not stand or fall on one of Lori's lies. The most important element, I think, will be the fact that the children are still missing and all her relatives and husband can say are "wait, it will all come out at the trial." I cannot think of a case where the defense said that before the trial and their client was proved innocent. Its just a dodge. The kids are either alive or not. I don't believe for a minute that they are being hidden from some incredibly evil enemy. All the while, their mother is spending their social security checks in Kauai.

I am not a lawyer and of course this is just my rambling opinion.

 

[indicolite22]

Kay's emails to Lori: Reaction from JJ's grandparents to Lori's mom and sister's mention of "threats".

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