Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

[indicolite22]

The video mentioning threats:

 

[k-mac]

Right - who's 'bugging' who, who had the Agenda?
I wonder if these CFMs (Cox Family Members) are going to try to claim that the change in beneficiary was the threat and confirmation CV wanted Kay to have JJ.....twisted just twisted

probably
but lori didn't have a leg to stand on when she took off for 6 weeks with tylee and left charles and jj because she didn't wanna be jj's mother anymore. it was all too much work.

which was how Charles came to make these decisions including trying to get lori in for a mental assessment.

moo

 

[indicolite22]

JJ's and Lori's past lives, according to Chad (from an email sent to her on 1/22/19).

Justin Lum: The five names redacted are of people who I’m told may not even know they are on this list.

Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

 

[Tmw821]

I have a question.
First, I want to say how appreciative I am with Websleuths. This forum is so amazing to follow, and I have LITERALLY read every post following Tylee and JJ since this began.
This is the first case I have ever followed. I didn't think it would turn into this but here we are.
My question is for all of these awesome members who have WAY more experience than I!!
Is it common to have these emails "leaked"? Are they being given to the reporters by the FBI or a source? I completely trust what Justin Lum has to say and I believe that what he shows us is from a reliable source. But how common is this? Is it bc there are so many people involved in this case that things are being leaked? Is it the police or FBI releasing it for other reasons? Is it just public information?
I want to know what y'all think?
Thank you

 

[Sticksandspades]

JJ's and Lori's past lives, according to Chad.

Justin Lum: The five names redacted are of people who I’m told may not even know they are on this list.

Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

So if these are JJ's past lives, he was a 4.2L from Oct 30th 2018 when the family history document was sent and Jan 2019 when this email was sent.

Don't see Tylee on this list - what does that mean? I know she was a 4.1D.

Also Melanie also remains the same at a 3L.

What I find sort of strange is that IIRC Chad was always chasing Tammy to do work on their family tree. There are so many references in these documents from other countries/origins. I wonder how involved she was in data gathering for Chad. I wonder if she/they used a public site like the LDS familysearch.org. No time for that rabbit hole - but if anyone has that experience it may be interesting.

Family History
Barry Cox - 3L (1500s France)
Janice Cox - 3L (1600s England)
Stacey – Was 3L on earth, has graduated to 4.1L
Alex Cox – 2L
Adam Cox – 3L
Laura – Was 3L on earth, has graduated to 4.1L
Lori – 4.3L
Summer Cox Shiflet – 3L Husband is 2L, but borderline 2D

First husband – 2L
Second husband: William Lagioia – 2D
Son: Colby Ryan – 3L Kelsee Ryan – 3D

Third husband: Joseph Ryan - 4.3D Is now sealed away
Daughter: Tylee Ryan - 4.1D

Fourth husband: Charles Vallow – 3L (1700s London)
First wife: 2D
Cole Vallow – 3D
Zach Vallow – 3L
Joshua Vallow – 4.2L

Niece: Melani Boudreaux – 3L
Husband: Brandon – 3D
4kids – Both boys are 3L, Older girl - 3L, Younger girl - 4.1L

 

[Sticksandspades]

I have a question.
First, I want to say how appreciative I am with Websleuths. This forum is so amazing to follow, and I have LITERALLY read every post following Tylee and JJ since this began.
This is the first case I have ever followed. I didn't think it would turn into this but here we are.
My question is for all of these awesome members who have WAY more experience than I!!
Is it common to have these emails "leaked"? Are they being given to the reporters by the FBI or a source? I completely trust what Justin Lum has to say and I believe that what he shows us is from a reliable source. But how common is this? Is it bc there are so many people involved in this case that things are being leaked? Is it the police or FBI releasing it for other reasons? Is it just public information?
I want to know what y'all think?
Thank you

It seems very strange to try this case in the media.

 

[indicolite22]

So Chad and Lori were married in the past and had JJ and Melani. How come Chad didn't make Tylee one of their kids? Lori must have seen Chad as her husband. Did Melani also have this information? Did she see Chad as her father?

 

[KonaHonu]

So if these are JJ's past lives, he was a 4.2L from Oct 30th 2018 when the family history document was sent and Jan 2019 when this email was sent.

Don't see Tylee on this list - what does that mean? I know she was a 4.1D.

Also Melanie also remains the same at a 3L.

What I find sort of strange is that IIRC Chad was always chasing Tammy to do work on their family tree. There are so many references in these documents from other countries/origins. I wonder how involved she was in data gathering for Chad. I wonder if she/they used a public site like the LDS familysearch.org. No time for that rabbit hole - but if anyone has that experience it may be interesting.

Family History
Barry Cox - 3L (1500s France)
Janice Cox - 3L (1600s England)
Stacey – Was 3L on earth, has graduated to 4.1L
Alex Cox – 2L
Adam Cox – 3L
Laura – Was 3L on earth, has graduated to 4.1L
Lori – 4.3L
Summer Cox Shiflet – 3L Husband is 2L, but borderline 2D

First husband – 2L
Second husband: William Lagioia – 2D
Son: Colby Ryan – 3L Kelsee Ryan – 3D

Third husband: Joseph Ryan - 4.3D Is now sealed away
Daughter: Tylee Ryan - 4.1D

Fourth husband: Charles Vallow – 3L (1700s London)
First wife: 2D
Cole Vallow – 3D
Zach Vallow – 3L
Joshua Vallow – 4.2L

Niece: Melani Boudreaux – 3L
Husband: Brandon – 3D
4kids – Both boys are 3L, Older girl - 3L, Younger girl - 4.1L

These pretty obviously reflect Lori's opinion of each of these people at that point in time. Chad seems liek he is just a fortuneteller feeding her what she wants to hear.

 

[indicolite22]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=794342474428639

“By looking at it I don’t look at this as someone that kind of threw this together overnight,” said Cristina Rosetti, Ph.D. in Religious Studies.

 

[KonaHonu]

Can we entertain the idea that Lori may actually have been threatened? Who might do that and why? Here's my list:

- CV's siblings because, well, she killed him
- past AVOW/PAP members who spent a lot of money
- fellow podcasters who may have somehow been swindled or left out
- others involved in things we have not even discovered

If it is any of those they would likely be in the Phoenix area otherwise why would she flee that area. They might have some connection with LE. I wonder who fits those criteria? I'm not pointing fingers or even saying I believe that defense. I'm just saying that it might be a plausible theory based on other things uncovered.

 

[justme11]

So Chad and Lori were married in the past and had JJ and Melani. How come Chad didn't make Tylee one of their kids? Lori must have seen Chad as her husband. Did Melani also have this information? Did she see Chad as her father?

Everyone on that list is 'light. I'm thinking with Tylee being 'dark' he didn't want that in their 'family'.

Edit for typo.

 

[Sticksandspades]

Lori Vallow received threats and is protecting her children, according to mom, sister

Here is the 14min version from the evening news. It includes the two shorter teasers from earlier today.

Couple takeaways - not in order:

• They didn't know about Lori's wedding, heard about it on the news
• They found out about AxC death from the police, didn't know he got married or that he'd moved back to AZ
• They don't believe she's been brainwashed
• They don't believe any of the fringe religious beliefs
• Janis suggested that Lori take a picture of the kids with a newspaper - that was her advice (via a friend in HI)
• Kay's/CV's brothers were also threatening (NEW!) at least I'm assuming that's who's brothers are being referred to.
• CV was great - never said a negative thing about Lori until last year
• CV tried to get Lori ex-communicated from the Church
• CV was cheating - filed for divorce, but tried to get her back the whole time

 

[Sticksandspades]

So Chad and Lori were married in the past and had JJ and Melani. How come Chad didn't make Tylee one of their kids? Lori must have seen Chad as her husband. Did Melani also have this information? Did she see Chad as her father?

Great question, too bad this interview was last Saturday - Then a few more questions could have been asked!
I wonder if the CFM's even are aware they have been 'graded/ranked' by Chad?

 

[Sticksandspades]

Can we entertain the idea that Lori may actually have been threatened? Who might do that and why? Here's my list:

- CV's siblings because, well, she killed him
- past AVOW/PAP members who spent a lot of money
- fellow podcasters who may have somehow been swindled or left out
- others involved in things we have not even discovered

If it is any of those they would likely be in the Phoenix area otherwise why would she flee that area. They might have some connection with LE. I wonder who fits those criteria? I'm not pointing fingers or even saying I believe that defense. I'm just saying that it might be a plausible theory based on other things uncovered.

Janis and Summer contend it was Kay and her/his brothers? I don't know where they are or what they do or how many there are. Sounds like (from Janis and Summer) Lori wanted to cut off Kay and Larry - and felt she has that right. Of course they didn't touch on the $1 million elephant in the room.

 

[indicolite22]

Lori Vallow received threats and is protecting her children, according to mom, sister

Here is the 14min version from the evening news. It includes the two shorter teasers from earlier today.

Couple takeaways - not in order:

• They didn't know about Lori's wedding, heard about it on the news
• They found out about AxC death from the police, didn't know he got married or that he'd moved back to AZ
• They don't believe she's been brainwashed
• They don't believe any of the fringe religious beliefs
• Janis suggested that Lori take a picture of the kids with a newspaper - that was her advice (via a friend in HI)
• Kay's/CV's brothers were also threatening (NEW!) at least I'm assuming that's who's brothers are being referred to.
• CV was great - never said a negative thing about Lori until last year
• CV tried to get Lori ex-communicated from the Church
• CV was cheating - filed for divorce, but tried to get her back the whole time

The video in question:

 

[Sticksandspades]

The video in question:

Thanks! I have to figure out how to properly post the video.

 

[KonaHonu]

So I called part of that before I saw the clip. Kay wanted custody and CV's brothers were threatening Lori last fall. That actually supports this being a custody battle. If Lori retained custody of JJ she would have a right, under Arizona law, to most of CV's life insurance, The Arizona lawyer could perhaps clarify but I know that in Arizona, spouses and minor children have rights that supercede beneficiary declarations in many situations.

This explanation does NOT make Lori a saint but it could explain everything. She's still a money-grubbing (word I wont use) but it is consistent with her moving to Idaho and not telling anyone and also with putting the kids in hiding to protect them. It also explains why she would no produce them even for law enforcement.

If we learn one of CV's relatives is an FBI agent or other LEO I think that would have a HUGE impact on my opinion. But we don't have any inkling that that might be the case.

 

[KonaHonu]

10 ways to screw up when picking life insurance beneficiaries

According to this article, what CV did is one of the 10 biggest mistakes. In Arizona he could not name Kay as beneficiary without Lori's permission. I suspect JJ also had rights that might follow to another guardian. I'm beginning to believe the custody battle theory. (IMO her interest is in the costody of the $ but that requires maintaining custody of the kids.)

 

[indicolite22]

Thanks! I have to figure out how to properly post the video.

For a video from YouTube just copy and paste the video's URL. For a Facebook video right-click on the video to find its URL.

 

[ReadyorNot]

10 ways to screw up when picking life insurance beneficiaries

According to this article, what CV did is one of the 10 biggest mistakes. In Arizona he could not name Kay as beneficiary without Lori's permission. I suspect JJ also had rights that might follow to another guardian. I'm beginning to believe the custody battle theory. (IMO her interest is in the costody of the $ but that requires maintaining custody of the kids.)

I believe Charles Vallow was no longer living in AZ, and was living in Texas.