Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #31

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Charles Vallow's son speaks out about his dad, his missing siblings and why he is 'pissed off' seeing Lori Daybell | East Idaho News

I thought I would repost this article by one of Charles' sons to remind us of the circumstances of Charles death and the aftermath.

" “I was initially in disbelief because I had just talked to my dad,” Steve recalls. “I was texting him and I remember calling him a couple times the morning he had gotten shot, and he didn’t respond. It was really weird. He usually returns calls and texts relatively fast, so something was off.”

Lori informed Steve and his brother that Charles was dead by texting them a message. A text chain provided to EastIdahoNews.com shows the boys repeatedly asked Lori for information surrounding the death, but she didn’t answer their questions and was vague in her responses.

READ | The text messages Lori Daybell sent Charles Vallow’s sons after he died

Finally, on July 20, Steve texted Lori, “If you won’t answer those questions, can we please have his watches and other stuff he always talked about and had around?”

Lori responded within an hour and told Steve she would send some items to his house. That was the last communication he has had with his stepmother.


“My dad had a collection of watches, very fancy watches. He wore nice watches for years and years so I thought she was going to send me some of them,” Steve says. “The package arrived and inside were two cheap Timex watches you’d find at CVS. Anything that was worth money, we didn’t get. I’m assuming she sold everything else.”

Steve says Lori refused to tell them where Charles’s body was or if a funeral was planned. Steve and his brother eventually figured out the mortuary where their dad was taken and they walked inside to speak with the funeral director.

“He was very shaky and nervous. We asked him for information and he said something like, ‘I can’t tell you that. It was requested that I tell you nothing,'” Steve says.

A memorial service was arranged, and Lori never showed up. Neither did Joshua “JJ” Vallow, Charles and Lori’s 7-year-old son who has been missing since September. Kay and Larry Woodcock, JJ’s grandparents, begged Lori to allow the boy to attend, but she ignored their requests. The last time Steve saw JJ was last April.

“I loved to hang out and play with him and watch movies and run around. He would call me all the time – something like 15 to 20 times a day – and then it dropped to two to three times a day, and then it just stopped,” Steve says. “I figured maybe he’s going to school or something like that. I never thought anything bad was going to happen to him or Tylee.”

Steve was never close with Lori, even though he spent summers and weekends with her and his dad. He was 10 years old when Lori and Charles got married and describes his relationship with his stepmom as “acquaintances.” Her extended family members were always around, which makes Steve wonder why he hasn’t heard from any of them since Tylee and JJ vanished.

“Nobody has attempted to reach out. It’s weird. Her family was always over, and not a single one of them has said a word except Colby (Lori’s oldest son),” Steve says. "
 
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Can we entertain the idea that Lori may actually have been threatened? Who might do that and why? Here's my list:

- CV's siblings because, well, she killed him
- past AVOW/PAP members who spent a lot of money
- fellow podcasters who may have somehow been swindled or left out
- others involved in things we have not even discovered

If it is any of those they would likely be in the Phoenix area otherwise why would she flee that area. They might have some connection with LE. I wonder who fits those criteria? I'm not pointing fingers or even saying I believe that defense. I'm just saying that it might be a plausible theory based on other things uncovered.
I am not aware CV had siblings who were threatening Lori so I think that accusation is unfounded. I have posted an article about one of his sons that shows they were trying to get some info from Lori about their father and she was obstructive. This is not a custody dispute but is a missing and endangered children case. Is there any detail about brothers being involved with LE as I am very doubtful of that, seeing how his murder investigation has not been fully concluded.
 
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BBM. Regarding Chad and his beliefs, Summer also said that everyone was entitled to believe what they wanted and that that doesn't make them a bad person. She claims she only met Chad once. On the other hand, she vilified Charles and insinuated that Lori and Tylee could have been murdered by him had Alex not been present on July 11. She believes that Charles was lying in his divorce filing about Lori's crazy beliefs. IMO Chad's letters to Lori at that time will prove that Charles wasn't making it up.
I would be interested to know when she met Chad if she did not know they were married. This had to be before 5 November, or even before 2nd October when Lori bought the rings.
 
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What has she done to make her lose custody? If the threats are true and she put them in hiding with a trusted associate she is not guilty of any crime except the misdemeanor of defying an Idaho judge and lying to police, none of which are much more than a speeding ticket. If she is convicted she has already served her time. If a Charles-brother turns out to be a LEO I think she will get off based on reasonable fear. If one is an FBI agent I think her defense is a slam dunk...assuming the kids are alive and in hiding.
i would say stopping the vital medication refills for a child and selling his beloved specially trained anxiety reducing dog whom together are extremely important for his well being pretty high in the stakes of unfit mother in my books.

oh lets also not forget the time last year she abandoned jj with Charles saying it was all too hard being jj's mother.

finding a new life with a new lover with radical extreme beliefs about normal everyday people being somehow demonic...........pretty good means for mental assessment on anybodys level.

I have no doubt jj is dead and in all honesty I think that would be actually the kindest option for him right now. the confusion of loosing his father, his grand parents, his beloved dog.....his mother.......for a child who's welfare depends on stability and routine.....that poor little guy would be living a torturous nightmare.
anyway you cut the fat.....lori is an unfit mother by her own actions laid out in the open.
we haven't even gotten to the ugly yet.:(:(:(

moo
 
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Yes but why even want to call him to begin with, I can't see him furthering their objective for probable cause, maybe it's just me but it makes no sense.
I look at it from the paralegal point of view. We help attorneys prepare for trial. Here’s a template of everything both sides normally have to do and disclose before trial. We comb through the case and list each and every person who might have something to testify about during trial. It doesn’t matter whether the attorneys plan on calling them to the stand or not. It would be malpractice not to disclose Chad. He is one of the most important witnesses in this case whether he takes the stand and let’s loose or just pleads the Fifth.
https://www.kcgov.us/DocumentCenter/View/1608/Notice-of-Trial-Setting-PDF
 
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Did Melani's lawyers try to smear Brandon before it was known that Tylee's Jeep was involved in the murder attempt on him? They insinuated that Brandon had plenty of shady connections in his life that could have made him a target. Did those connections call Lori to Idaho and asked her to borrow the Jeep?
 
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Goetic Nick – demonolatry.org

Just a thought is this Nick Schneider that Chad and Lori said inhabited body of Charles. Edit to make sense.

I think all the Cox family are fake liars..moo
 

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So I called part of that before I saw the clip. Kay wanted custody and CV's brothers were threatening Lori last fall. That actually supports this being a custody battle. If Lori retained custody of JJ she would have a right, under Arizona law, to most of CV's life insurance, The Arizona lawyer could perhaps clarify but I know that in Arizona, spouses and minor children have rights that supercede beneficiary declarations in many situations.

This explanation does NOT make Lori a saint but it could explain everything. She's still a money-grubbing (word I wont use) but it is consistent with her moving to Idaho and not telling anyone and also with putting the kids in hiding to protect them. It also explains why she would no produce them even for law enforcement.

If we learn one of CV's relatives is an FBI agent or other LEO I think that would have a HUGE impact on my opinion. But we don't have any inkling that that might be the case.

I haven’t followed this case as closely as I would’ve liked to but this is an interesting theory.

If LVD did put her children into hiding to protect them from KV seeking custody, why then was Lori frolicking the beaches of Hawaii with the newest love-of-her-life instead of back in Arizona fighting for her legal rights as being the beneficiary of Charles’ life insurance policy?

Did Lori ever hire an attorney or contest that as having custody of the children that also entitled her (under law) to be the beneficiary of some of CV’s life insurance benefits?

JMHO
 
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I look at it from the paralegal point of view. We help attorneys prepare for trial. Here’s a template of everything both sides normally have to do and disclose before trial. We comb through the case and list each and every person who might have something to testify about during trial. It doesn’t matter whether the attorneys plan on calling them to the stand or not. It would be malpractice not to disclose Chad. He is one of the most important witnesses in this case whether he takes the stand and let’s loose or just pleads the Fifth.
https://www.kcgov.us/DocumentCenter/View/1608/Notice-of-Trial-Setting-PDF
Thanks for the info!
 
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I haven’t followed this case as closely as I would’ve liked to but this is an interesting theory.

If LVD did put her children into hiding to protect them from KV seeking custody, why then was Lori frolicking the beaches of Hawaii with the newest love-of-her-life instead of back in Arizona fighting for her legal rights as being the beneficiary of Charles’ life insurance policy?

Did Lori ever hire an attorney or contest that as having custody of the children that also entitled her (under law) to be the beneficiary of some of CV’s life insurance benefits?

JMHO

Quoted at random because of interesting points.

My issue with the "Lori hid the kids from the Woodcocks" camp is this:

The Woodcocks never inquired about Tylee. There was zero reason to hide her.

If there was a custody battle then where are the documents? The Woodcocks have only filed for guardianship of JJ from Child Protection. They've basically asked to foster parent JJ. And extended an invitation to Tylee personally.

As far as Lori's mother and sister trying to defend her, that falls so flat with me. They're such a close family they didn't know Lori was married, or Alex died. C'mon.

Jmo
 
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BBM. My guess would be family. IIRC, Justin Lum reported a while ago that Lori's parents moved to Utah.
Right... i remember him saying that. St. George seems to be a very remote area in Utah.... so I am just curious... and wonder why there??? San Tan Valley had been base for so long.........
 
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10 ways to screw up when picking life insurance beneficiaries

According to this article, what CV did is one of the 10 biggest mistakes. In Arizona he could not name Kay as beneficiary without Lori's permission. I suspect JJ also had rights that might follow to another guardian. I'm beginning to believe the custody battle theory. (IMO her interest is in the costody of the $ but that requires maintaining custody of the kids.)
Well, Kona, if what you say about the assignment of life insurance is true, then this makes a lot of sense. Lori and Charles were still married. I know it's going to be unpopular here, but it rings true to me. Even having Tylee go into hiding makes sense as she is probably acting as his main caregiver. However: the circus that Lori has now created as a result of lying to LE - something she didn't have to do - and the damning facts that have come out about her and Chad including the many suspicious death that surround them, has IMO all but assured that she won't be able to retain custody of JJ, which means Kay can keep the $1 million. Wouldn't that be some irony???
 
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As far as Lori's mother and sister trying to defend her, that falls so flat with me. They're such a close family they didn't know Lori was married, or Alex died. C'mon.

Jmo
They are so close that neither of the two attended any of Lori's five weddings.
 
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I am confused, I didn't see any threats just 2 desperate grandparents. Did I miss the threats or have they not been released? Kay was considered a dark spirit could that be why Lori thought she was a threat? After seeing all of the emails from Chad to Lori, wow, it has changed my perspective that Chad is far more the puppet master and Lori was easy to persuade because of her ego (probably Melani too) there must be a certain type Chad looks for and appeals to. I wonder if Chad's children have read these emails from their dad and wondered why they weren't on the list as his children in past lives. (Maybe they were as the redacted names) I am curious who redacted names are. This is beyond crazy and I cannot understand those who back them. Jmo
 
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Quoted at random because of interesting points.

My issue with the "Lori hid the kids from the Woodcocks" camp is this:

The Woodcocks never inquired about Tylee. There was zero reason to hide her.

If there was a custody battle then where are the documents? The Woodcocks have only filed for guardianship of JJ from Child Protection. They've basically asked to foster parent JJ. And extended an invitation to Tylee personally.

As far as Lori's mother and sister trying to defend her, that falls so flat with me. They're such a close family they didn't know Lori was married, or Alex died. C'mon.

Jmo
Unless she is acting as JJ's main caregiver, by design.
 
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They are so close that neither of the two attended any of Lori's five weddings.
Right, they do not seem close at all imo Summer said "those children" which struck me as strange.
 
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They are so close that neither of the two attended any of Lori's five weddings.

SS stated that she was not even invited to any of those weddings and JC did not look pleased that those words came out of SS's mouth.

Gives the appearance that JC is trying to present the extended Cox family as behaving like most people would expect a relatively normal and close family to appear; while SS is satisfied with telling the rest of the world that it's none of their business how this family appears.
 
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Unless she is acting as JJ's main caregiver, by design.
She's doing that completely voluntarily, at a remote location, without JJ's medication and without any contact or finacial support from Lori? Lori kept her phone and bank card, as well as JJ's iPad.
 
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Well, Kona, if what you say about the assignment of life insurance is true, then this makes a lot of sense. Lori and Charles were still married. I know it's going to be unpopular here, but it rings true to me. Even having Tylee go into hiding makes sense as she is probably acting as his main caregiver. However: the circus that Lori has now created as a result of lying to LE - something she didn't have to do - and the damning facts that have come out about her and Chad including the many suspicious death that surround them, has IMO all but assured that she won't be able to retain custody of JJ, which means Kay can keep the $1 million. Wouldn't that be some irony???

I used to sell insurance. I'm wondering when that policy was purchased. Your beneficiary can be dependent on when you purchased the policy and what state it was purchased in. Even a life insurance policy purchased prior to marriage can be treated differently than one purchased after. Jmo
 
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