Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

[Diddian]

Deleted - double post.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Nate Eaton part III interview with Melani and Ian:

Wow. The lawyer says that KW said some "mean" things to Lori, and that's what Lori interpreted to be a threat. Those "mean" thing were SO threatening that, even now, according to Melalni, Lori can't say where the kids are.

So I guess that's her bogus defense. Millions in taxpayer dollars, worry and grief across the globe, because Lori thought Kay was being "mean" to her.

“Mean” is subjective right? It could honestly have been nothing or something major. I hope law enforcement have access to these so called messages. And messages are so difficult to read intent unless it blatantly says something threatening.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Nate Eaton part III interview with Melani and Ian:

Wow. The lawyer says that KW said some "mean" things to Lori, and that's what Lori interpreted to be a threat. Those "mean" thing were SO threatening that, even now, according to Melalni, Lori can't say where the kids are.

So I guess that's her bogus defense. Millions in taxpayer dollars, worry and grief across the globe, because Lori thought Kay was being "mean" to her.

“Mean” is subjective right? It could honestly have been nothing or something major. I hope law enforcement have access to these so called messages. And messages are so difficult to read intent unless it blatantly says something threatening.

IDK. I don't think he should sue his daughter for what she said about the credit cards. It might have some kernel of truth as most divorcing spouses wouldn't want the other spouse to run up a bunch of debt prior to a divorce settlement. I find that action more ethical than a family member using a credit card after someone's death (I don't know anything about the legalities of it all but it seems Melani dad's actions were probably legally done versus using your dead sister's CC would not be legal IMHO). Melani tried to twist it to sound like her dad was cruel in his actions when he left her mom, but her story fell flat to me. Her words against her dad might have been hurtful to him, but they were not nearly as inflammatory/slanderous as what was said against BB. BB has a very good lawsuit case IMHO. Even though she made he dad out to be a bad guy, I was pleasantly surprised to hear from Melani that her father is protecting his grandchildren from her. That says a lot when your own father takes your ex-husband's side in a custody dispute. Her father raised her, apparently tried to keep her away from the Coxes, and knows exactly what kind of influence she is under now. And he made the choice to help Brandon instead of her.

MOO.

There’s always some truth to both sides. It’s just sort through the bs to get to the meat of the situation. IMO I don’t believe either side is being completely honest about everything because their emotions are clouding the majority of facts. They are telling their experience with the situation.

 

[Knox]

Despite all the drama and complicated details. This case when boiled down to it's essence is really quite simple.

LV cannot save herself by producing the kids. It's not a matter of hiding to protect them, or any of the other ridiculous scenarios suggested by her family in recent interviews.

She's also not waiting until after the July date to reveal their whereabouts. They did not disappear simultaneously and they will not reappear that way either. If they do, I'll eat my hat, shoes and all the tomato worms I'm collecting from my garden.

 

[Gigi3]

Nate Eaton part III interview with Melani and Ian:

Wow. The lawyer says that KW said some "mean" things to Lori, and that's what Lori interpreted to be a threat. Those "mean" thing were SO threatening that, even now, according to Melalni, Lori can't say where the kids are.

So I guess that's her bogus defense. Millions in taxpayer dollars, worry and grief across the globe, because Lori thought Kay was being "mean" to her.

Right?!? I’m certain there were some “mean” things being said because as a grandmother myself, I would absolutely go to bat for my grands! However, I’m certain any and ALL communication between the two has been combed through by LE, and there’s nothing to date about these kids being hidden from threats.

Also, this narrative that MP and IP are pushing is so hard to follow for me. How do you reconcile Chad’s own emails with lists of dark and light and such with Ian’s own document of the same? It’s NOT a coincidence, IMO! This same stuff was repeated by Charles and others well before Ian was in the picture.

Another thing MP said was that Kay never wanted to be around JJ before, really? There’s pictures that prove otherwise, but also probably because at that point she wasn’t concerned that JJ was in trouble! Charles and Lori were still a “loving” couple up until last year it seems.

MP and IP says this whole thing is affecting their own custody cases (well duh) but how selfish of Lori to drag this on when it’s obviously affecting her loving and supportive niece. This could be over quickly if Lori would just tell where these kids are! Why aren’t they mad at her for allowing this to be such a problem for them?? I don’t understand...

 

[Drc40]

I didn’t even know the other two parts were posted until today! After the first benign part these last two parts are exactly what I expected. Attorneys interrupting, circling answers, denials, etc. indicates they’ve been extensively coached and would never reveal or be allowed to answer questions about Lolo’s charges.

I don’t believe a word from these people. It appears this group has income and funds that don’t support their expenses, IRS problems, few tangible assets and pretty much living off taxpayers or the very least on their dark side of right. I wish...sheesh!

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

At any point, have these men who are sitting with MP and IP as they give the interviews identified themselves by name? I assume they are attorneys, but what are their names and who are they representing, MP and IP? Someone or something else? It's possible for an attorney to represent someone and for another person or an organization or institution to pay the bills. Is that happening here?

I found it notable that they interrupted and interjected themselves two times in that interview:

First, when Nate asked MP if she is in a group that is not mainstream LDS, or that is a fringe-group to LDS. The attorney interrupts. MP then goes on to respond by saying (paraphrasing from my notes) that she is not in a cult, she is not in any group that has beliefs that are against or contrary to the mainstream LDS church.

Next, when Nate asks if MP has suspicions about where the kids are. At that point, one of the two men not only interrupts, he totally takes over and gives his own answer. Twice, he repeats the same three points: (1) there is no evidence in LVD's life that she'd harm the kids; (2) there is evidence in her past that she'd take steps to protect the kids; and (3) there are experiences in LVD's life that she has distrust of the system because she believes the judicial system did not do much to protect her kids in the past. She doesn't trust authorities.

I know this is a press interview, not a deposition, but it is obvious the point of the interviews is to make public testimony that is not subject to rules of evidence, challenge, or refutation under court supervision. So, it is very weird for the attorney to stop the public witness or interviewee from speaking and to act as the public witness or interviewee himself.

ETA: The one potential positive indicated by this is the presentation of those three defenses could mean the children are alive and are presently secreted away somewhere, because they sound like defenses for someone who plans to reveal irrefutable evidence the kids are alive, but who also intends to present a defense for why she hasn't done so before then.

AFAIK they are lawyers that represent both MP and IP, Zulema, and possibly the Cox family? Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe they were there for the interview that SS and JC did.

 

[Tortoise]

I'm trying to reconcile Melani saying she had no way of contacting Lori after Lori went to Hawaii, (apart from a call after Alex died in December I think she said), and Ian recording her phone calls with Lori and Chad.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Despite all the drama and complicated details. This case when boiled down to it's essence is really quite simple.

LV cannot save herself by producing the kids. It's not a matter of hiding to protect them, or any of the other ridiculous scenarios suggested by her family in recent interviews.

She's also not waiting until after the July date to reveal their whereabouts. They did not disappear simultaneously and they will not reappear that way either. If they do, I'll eat my hat, shoes and all the tomato worms I'm collecting from my garden.

What I don’t seem to understand is there are a million different resources and groups you can turn to for help if something or someone is genuinely stalking or threatening you or your family. That includes groups outside of the government. So imo it appears there’s some sort of distorted reality going on. Again jmo

 

[Deerrun]

I was curious about the coffee on the autopsy report because of another poster (i apologize for forgetting who) was showing some clear evidence of caffeine and the development of blood clots.

I read somewhere that Alex took nodoz or something to that effect. Makes sense as a truck driver. I don't remember where I read it so for now jmo

 

[Gigi3]

What I don’t seem to understand is there are a million different resources and groups you can turn to for help if something or someone is genuinely stalking or threatening you or your family. That includes groups outside of the government. So imo it appears there’s some sort of distorted reality going on. Again jmo

I believe that it’s possible MP and IP’s reality may be distorted, but I think Lori and Chad knew exactly what they were doing. They had their own crazy agenda and the kids just did not fit into it! IMO

 

[Ohmeohmy]

I just finished all 3 interviews. I find it interesting how often it was discussed about IP not being judgmental and LV not being judgmental...that is just a metaphor for "they don't call me out on my lies." I have a family member who falls back on that when you point out their long history of bad decisions and why they are heading down another bad path.

Yes ...The judgement part keeps popping out of her mouth. "She wont judge you and you dont judges her" but Melanie, that is not how the law works...MOO

 

[spandangly]

Yes, possible, but kindly and personally speaking, I never had that even when 9.5 months pregnant.

Also, please provide source for Mutual as the dating app MP and IP used to meet? I hadn't seen that. TIA.

Well, it's amazing how different pregnancies can be. I had it horribly with both, even when they were tiny. I imagine it has to do with body types and where the baby is developing.

The info about Mutual comes from the second Dateline episode. My husband, who is not following the case, but saw part of that episode guffawed when he heard it because Mutual was the name of the youth program of the LDS church--for 12-18 year olds. It seems in incredibly poor taste to name a dating app after an organization for young teens.

 

[Diddian]

Well, it's amazing how different pregnancies can be. I had it horribly with both, even when they were tiny. I imagine it has to do with body types and where the baby is developing.

The info about Mutual comes from the second Dateline episode. My husband, who is not following the case, but saw part of that episode guffawed when he heard it because Mutual was the name of the youth program of the LDS church--for 12-18 year olds. It seems in incredibly poor taste to name a dating app after an organization for young teens.

You're right! I remember high school classmates referring to going to Mutual, but had forgotten until you posted.

It is indeed creepy to use the same name for an adult dating program as that used for a youth organization.

 

[SeattleStew]

Well, it's amazing how different pregnancies can be. I had it horribly with both, even when they were tiny. I imagine it has to do with body types and where the baby is developing.

The info about Mutual comes from the second Dateline episode. My husband, who is not following the case, but saw part of that episode guffawed when he heard it because Mutual was the name of the youth program of the LDS church--for 12-18 year olds. It seems in incredibly poor taste to name a dating app after an organization for young teens.

Thank you for sharing your information. Much appreciated!

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

You're right! I remember high school classmates referring to going to Mutual, but had forgotten until you posted.

It is indeed creepy to use the same name for an adult dating program as that used for a youth organization.

Eh ‍ I don’t think that was intentional. And I certainly don’t believe the app is part of this groups chaos. Imo the chaos seems stirred by their individual choices.

 

[MadTing]

If lori was truly hiding the kids to protect them from somebody and doesn't want to reveal their location for that reason then should could simply have had them record a video message saying "we are alive, safe and healthy and there is nothing to worry about" This could have been done without revealing their location or producing them in person.

 

[carbuff]

Thank you for clarifying.
I remembered reading about the pay secret forums many months ago but didn’t know if CD was still doing this and if it was a large source of income for him.

As much as this group seem to move in and out of new homes/condos, drive nice vehicles, travel frequently, etc ., I’ve always wondered how/where they get their seemingly endless supply of income?

Thanks again for answering my questions.

I would be willing to bet that in large part it's by not paying those piled-up debts. Moo moo moo moo.

 

[WeAreWatching]

If lori was truly hiding the kids to protect them from somebody and doesn't want to reveal their location for that reason then should could simply have had them record a video message saying "we are alive, safe and healthy and there is nothing to worry about" This could have been done without revealing their location or producing them in person.

IMO, they would have to be alive to do this... And I really do not think they are.

 

[carbuff]

I read somewhere that Alex took nodoz or something to that effect. Makes sense as a truck driver. I don't remember where I read it so for now jmo

He'd be a pretty unusual long-haul driver if he didn't use it, at least on occasion.