Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

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  • #661
Just some eye rolling and irritating comments Melani said in the interview…

Melani: Those kids love their mom, and they don’t want to be with Kay. JJ’s never wanted to be with Kay, and I wish we could see the times Kay’s actually come to try to be in JJ’s life.


Melani: anytime I would go over, I’d say, “Where’s Tylee?” and it was like she was out with friends. Lori would say, “We’re doing everything we can to protect the kids from Kay. Kay’s causing a lot of trouble right now,” and I didn’t really get into too much of their own custody deal.
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"Kids" plural.

Why doesn't anyone ever ask these people what Tylee being "protected" - two weeks before JJ was "protected" meanwhile registered at school, introduced to neighbors, left outside unsupervised - has to do with Kay asking to see JJ?

"Threats to harm" is such a lame narrative that they've all just suddenly latched onto. It's coming from Chad I have no doubt. So we see his cowardly mind churning this over - he needs a mouthpiece, and who needs a story right now? Melani and Lori's family. Imagine if Chad had a different story, how that would make them look in the public eye. There was no mention of any of this in Ian's notes - that is time-critical information written before the warrant for Lori's arrest was drawn up. It's no surprise to see Melani distancing herself from it, with a load of waffle and distraction. She even had the audacity to try to pin the zombie stuff on Charles! That was a desperate look.

I'm glad this is being recorded as much as I abhor listening to it, and seeing the attempts to defame Kay and Brandon, because it can be fact checked against evidence and shown to be lies.

MOO
 
  • #662
Does anybody have any links to the podcast chad and lori used to do? they all seem to have been taken down from the PAP website.
 
  • #663
JMO but I don't think they got married because she is PG...I mean, she might be, I don't know, but that is NOT the reason for the quick wedding.
**NOTE-- Melani wedding and Alex Wedding both THANKSGIVING WEEKEND. Not really important but I guess, in my world, my family wouldn't just go rush out on Thanksgiving weekend to do a rush wedding that nobody else in the family knows about.

LV and CD did a Rush Wedding Nov 5
MP and IP did a Rush Wedding Nov 29
AC and ZP did a Rush Wedding Nov 30


It is ALL PART OF THEIR BIG PLAN **
Yes, I think IP and MP most likely went to see his family to tell them they had already decided they were going to get married. I think it was important to him to let his family and his children know.

MOO
 
  • #664
So Chad's beliefs in multiple probations (as evidenced by his emails to Lori) aren't in contravention with the mainstream LDS doctrine?

This is a point I've been trying to make over and over. Most mainstream Mormons would regard these beliefs as absolutely opposed to LDS doctrine. But those involved in these kinds of things would not. They feel that they are working from within Mormon doctrine when they come to these types of conclusions, not that they are departing from it.

So even if Melani is a fellow-traveler with Chad on this (which is probably still an open question), she can legitimately argue that she's a true-believing Mormon; as most everyone within the PAP and AVOW groupings would sincerely also say about themselves.

Self perception and perception by the larger body of LDS is not necessarily the same thing in this case.

Mormonism is sometimes contrasted with other forms of Christianity as emphasizing orthopraxy (right practice) over orthodoxy (right thinking/doctrine). I think this contrast is overblown at times, but in this case it does help explain why (as long as their unusual beliefs didn't become too prominent) both those holding the unusual beliefs and those in their larger LDS community were never all that alarmed by Chad and others as long as they continued to show signs of acting like "normal Mormons."

P.S. I'm sorry if I sound frustrated. It's certainly not at you. But I feel like we're overall missing the point a little bit on how we discuss Chad or Lori's or Melani's or Ian's beliefs.

It's as if we expect them to self-identify those beliefs as outside the bounds of LDS thinking. So we get questions on Websleuths about whether beliefs attributed to Chad or Lori are mainstream LDS, and many LDS respondents (including myself) answer that they're not. And that's true enough.

But that's not really what's important. Rather, it's what those who have those beliefs think. And I think the evidence is that they (I'll speak of the larger PAP-type communities here, not Chad or Lori per se, because I can't speak to what any individual thinks) sincerely believe this stuff is a perfectly logical outgrowth of their Mormonism, not a departure from it.

So when Melanie gets asked about "cult beliefs" or similar phrasings, not only can she sincerely answer that she doesn't belong to a cult because who would actually admit to that after all (nobody thinks they belong to a cult), but also because those pursuing those kinds of beliefs are fully convinced that they are pursuing the deeper truths that exist within Mormonism rather than abandoning or rejecting Mormonism.
 
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  • #665
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I think as well that this scenario is the most plausible IF that BS about light/dark/cult things was not indeed guiding LVD and CD actions, but rather was their "mating dance", and was over inflated by CV due to his personal reasons, and later by BB etc. However, the amount of deaths and strange moves surrounding LVD and CD makes me doubt that.
If it was "overinflated", it must have been been by MG as well. She was closer to Lori and Chad than CV and BB were, so I don't believe MG imagined things.
 
  • #666
I would, however, in more sinister mien, point out that if Chad knew Lori was having difficulties with a rebellious Tylee, telling her that if she sticks with him she’ll be the mother of a ‘Dream Daughter’ (I think Tylee is a beauty, but I can’t imagine that uber figure and fitness conscious Lori liked having a plus-sized daughter), seems likely to both devalue Tylee and detach Lori emotionally from her; in much the same way Kay has echoed our thoughts by pointing out that calling JJ ‘my niece’s drug baby’ is distancing behavior designed to make it easier for Lori to separate from and then off JJ.
I think Lori is the type who would soon see her daughter as competition, just like she likely saw Colby's wife, so she did not encourage Tylee to stay fit.
 
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  • #667
This is a point I've been trying to make over and over. Most mainstream Mormons would regard these beliefs as absolutely opposed to LDS doctrine. But those involved in these kinds of things would not. They feel that they are working from within Mormon doctrine when they come to these types of conclusions, not that they are departing from it.

So even if Melani is a fellow-traveler with Chad on this (which is probably still an open question), she can legitimately argue that she's a true-believing Mormon; as most everyone within the PAP and AVOW groupings would sincerely also say about themselves.

Self perception and perception by the larger body of LDS is not necessarily the same thing in this case.

Mormonism is sometimes contrasted with other forms of Christianity as emphasizing orthopraxy (right practice) over orthodoxy (right thinking/doctrine). I think this contrast is overblown at times, but in this case it does help explain why (as long as their unusual beliefs didn't become too prominent) both those holding the unusual beliefs and those in their larger LDS community were never all that alarmed by Chad and others as long as they continued to show signs of acting like "normal Mormons."

P.S. I'm sorry if I sound frustrated. It's certainly not at you. But I feel like we're overall missing the point a little bit on how we discuss Chad or Lori's or Melani's or Ian's beliefs.

It's as if we expect them to self-identify those beliefs as outside the bounds of LDS thinking. So we get questions on Websleuths about whether beliefs attributed to Chad or Lori are mainstream LDS, and many LDS respondents (including myself) answer that they're not. And that's true enough.

But that's not really what's important. Rather, it's what those who have those beliefs think. And I think the evidence is that they (I'll speak of the larger PAP-type communities here, not Chad or Lori per se, because I can't speak to what any individual thinks) sincerely believe this stuff is a perfectly logical outgrowth of their Mormonism, not a departure from it.

So when Melanie gets asked about "cult beliefs" or similar phrasings, not only can she sincerely answer that she doesn't belong to a cult because who would actually admit to that after all (nobody thinks they belong to a cult), but also because those pursuing those kinds of beliefs are fully convinced that they are pursuing the deeper truths that exist within Mormonism rather than abandoning or rejecting Mormonism.
My theory was that they are trying to deny/hide/downplay their beliefs now that they have come under the spotlight. Can you explain why Julie Rowe would be excommunicated but Chad wouldn't? Their beliefs aren't that much different. How many people in Chad's circles knew about the zombie stuff?
 
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  • #668
I have been silently following this case since end of January 2020...

I met Melanie Gibb for the first time the previous February (2019). It was a peculiar, unexpected interaction and the first time I ever heard the name Chad Daybell and the term "Preparing a People".
Out of sheer curiosity, after talking to Melanie, I spent a few hours watching YouTube videos of Chad and listening to podcasts on P.a.P.
Primarily because of the N.D.E. aspect of Chad's story I was intrigued, but I soon lost interest and have never spoken to her again.

In retrospect, what I heard was not too out of the ordinary for other LDS topics I had been exposed to prior - things like preparedness, people having dreams of the last days, scriptural references to Revelations, and the 2nd coming of Christ.
Chad seemed like a humble, soft-spoken, well-intentioned individual, similar to many men I know.
What I heard at that time seemed new, but all relatively harmless - no zombies or cults or levels of dark and light spirits or anything crazy.

Imagine my shock nearly a year later when those names showed up in the news and I put two and two together and realized I had met Melanie Gibb within a few days of one of her podcasts with Lori and Chad!
I now believe based on that interaction, that Melanie Gibb knows much much more about that new relationship between Lori and Chad and what their goals were.
I don't believe, as a very close friend, that she would accompany Lori to the police station and speak up about the situation, unless she knew more about what was happening in Lori's relationship with Charles.
I don't believe that Melanie G. could spend hours and hours preparing for podcasts, discussing theories and beliefs, then planning the topic and discussion, coordinating plans for next episodes, and not pick up on what was transpiring between the two people (Chad and Lori) that she was working so closely with.
So what are we hearing from Melanie Gibb?

I happen to know from that interaction with Melanie G. that there was a movement, a group of people that believed Rexburg was a significant place for gathering and preparing for end-of-days.
Rexburg, Rexburg, Rexburg, all over the news - who had ever even heard of Rexburg Idaho before recently?
I have driven through Rexburg a few times, I have a few relatives that have lived there.
This is a tiny college town of 28,000 people, 95% of them are LDS. 20,000 of these small-town inhabitants are students of BYU-I - and most very young.

We need to ask, why were Lori and Alex and Melani Boudreaux there?
I believe there are many people there in Rexburg that know more. Although it was probably a relatively small fringe group, there must be several if not many people that have seen and heard
and participated in the P.a.P. movement and would have seen and heard if Lori and Melani and Alex were part of it.

Many or all of these people are members of the LDS church and in my opinion, might now be questioning themselves if they are participating in "sins of omission" by withholding information about this case.
What about the charge to be conscious "law abiding citizens"? "Standing for truth"?
Do any of these people not realize that when the truth of this case comes out, they may be held criminally responsible for withholding evidence in this case?
If there is someone out there withholding information about or caring for JJ and Tylee somewhere, are they not potentially legally responsible and vulnerable in having to deal with the law?

I keep waiting for some of these questions to come up in interviews, so if any one has heard any more about any of these particulars, please share.

How about these direct questions:
"Why did Melani Boudreaux, a newly separated single mother of small children, move to Rexburg, Idaho?"
"Why did Lori Vallow, a newly widowed single mother of young children move to Rexburg?
"Why did Alex Cox move to Rexburg?"

(I have moved 20+ times in my adult life, and not once was there not a job, or an explainable reason to make the move. Not once did my parents and siblings and friends not know where and why we were moving.)

Did Lori and Alex and Melani B. attend church in Rexburg? Did church members help them move in? This is very common in the LDS church, if not completely expected.
I guarantee there were people there, in that small close-knit church community that saw the trucks, the furniture, the kids, and asked the questions of what the plans were. That is the culture, the norm.
There's the ward, the primary program for young kids like JJ, the youth or young-adult program for girls like Tylee. The Relief Society, women's organization for Lori and Melani B.
There is a built-in support network that makes a move like that, 13 hours from your home in AZ a little easier to navigate. Nearly every church member I have ever known has called on this network.
Those who know the culture of the LDS church members understand that there is a LOT more about Lori and Alex and Melani B. and JJ and Tylee, that people in that small town must know.
There is a LOT more that people are NOT coming forward to share in this case... or at least that is how it appearing. Even if it is the little bits of info that would help this case make some sense.

Is it unusual that there were 3 apartments all available within a couple of weeks of each other in the same complex in Rexburg? How big is this condo complex? (how many units?)
Who actually rented Alex and Lori and Melani B. the units? Were they rented with no proof of income? Or no question of jobs? How long were the leases for?

Why did Lori rent a 3 bedroom apartment if she had no plan to have her kids there? Did she move in all of her furniture, with a perceived intention to live there long-term?

Why did Alex rent a 3 bedroom apartment for himself if he was not yet married, had no kids? If he was a truck driver, planning on coming and going with a girlfriend/fiance' in AZ,
why wouldn't he just periodically stay with his sister, or his "best friend" niece?
Did Alex move furniture in, with a perceived intention to live there long-term?
Was Zulema ever planning to join him in Rexburg? Did Zulema have a home in AZ? Did Zulema have a job in Rexburg? Why did her son not know she was married, or her boyfriend's last name?

If Melani B. had not met Ian Pawlowski yet, why did she move to Rexburg? Why and when did she leave her children alone with her husband, Brandon? And for how long?
Why didn't she show up at the hearing for her custody for her kids? Why did she leave all the children's belongings on the curb when she moved?
Were there children's belongings in any of the apartments when the authorities raided and searched them?

Did any one of the 3 of them have a job there in Rexburg? How did they plan to be sustained financially there?
It's clear that Alex seemed to be doing a lot of flying and driving back and forth from AZ to ID, and if he was still working, driving truck, this next question is not as relevant...

Lori and Melani B., two self-proclaimed and family verified dedicated, busy single moms, moved far away with no jobs, and no kids to care for - when they both actually moved and were actually residing day-to-day in Rexburg:
On those days in September (once Tylee & JJ were gone), and in October, and when she returned from honeymooning in November, what was Lori Vallow doing all day, every day?
On those days in October, November, December and so on, what was Melani B. doing all day, every day?
Were they both just sitting in those big empty apartments all day?
Someone must have interacted with them, someone must have seen them coming and going. What were they "Preparing"?

If you were Melani B., the "Nanny" of little Tylee, who said she helped raise her - wouldn't you have a little more care and concern of what she was doing? Where she was going?
Feel or show a little emotion of not having heard of or from her in 8 months, especially if you really don't have any idea of where she really is?
In the middle of an epidemic, even if you've been told she's safe, do you trust where and with whom? Her mother is in jail, unable to reach them, do you try to find out then?

IF Tylee and JJ are alive, what kind of mother is Lori to leave her children, especially a special needs child, without continuous expressed love, affection, and care, not to mention comfort and supervision for 8 months?
Any mother that I have known would be an absolute basket case to put their kids through this type of ordeal.
Does anyone else think it is strange that there is literally NO exhibited emotion from either of them?
In the face of an unprecedented world-wide epidemic that has all of the rest of us parents on high alert and feeling EXTRA protective of our kids, how does a dedicated, loving mother do that?

I'll admit, it's great to finally hear something from the extended families (Lori's Mom and Sis) ..... they seem "normal" enough, mostly like any mom and daughter that I have met anywhere else,
but still there is so much that leaves so many questions.....

Ask yourself if this lack of emotion seems strange as well- remember, the facts here - as Lori's Mother (and Sister for that matter):
- Your son-in-law of 10+ years was murdered by your beloved son
- Your beloved son dies suddenly after marrying his new bride of a few weeks
- Your beloved daughter is in jail being accused of felonies, and accused of potential involvement in one or more murders
- Your beloved grand-daughter of 17 years and beloved grandson of 7 years have been missing for 8 months, after just losing their father to murder by their uncle

Their lack of emotion and involvement and reality seems really off too - that is a lot of heavy heavy stuff to deal with. Speaking of zombies - does this seem unnatural, in every bit of news coverage we have seen?

I find it strange that when Summer (Lori's sister) was asked if she talked to Lori about the whereabouts of the kids, she says:
"No. I’ve talked to her a couple of times, um the first time I talked to her, everything is recorded, and I know she can’t tell me, and I don’t want to put her in a position that’s gonna make anything worse for her..."

Hmmmm ... ok, maybe that might make sense since Lori has been in jail, from Feb 20th until now .....
But what about the time-frame from when you first learned Lori had suddenly remarried a stranger in early November until the time that Lori was arrested on Feb 20th? (3 months)
These are your niece and nephew that have recently lost their murdered father. This is your only living sister who is going through a divorce that has been on and off again for months, and her husband of 10+ years was suddenly killed by your brother.
She has no life insurance money to speak of, no job that is mentioned, is making a pretty big move ALONE to a city 13 hours away from the support of her AZ family to live in Idaho ALONE?
When the news was just breaking and Lori was still out free.... you, as a sister, (or her mother for that matter) didn't ask that question in those 3 months? Fly up to lend a hand to your sister in a time of upheaval?
When the missing kids were all over the news? Did Mom Cox ask? Did brother Adam ask? Anyone else out there that cared about Lori Vallow and her 2 young kids, did they ask?

How do you make sense of the fact that Lori and Chad left ALL of their kids and grandkids through the holidays? Was there a Thanksgiving? A Christmas? A New Years?
Is that a little odd? These are big holidays with lots of family and activities and church-held traditions.
Did Grandma Cox or any aunts and uncles send gifts to JJ and Tylee for Christmas? Was it not somewhat normal to send or share photos over the holidays?

Now there's Chad's family:
The fact that Chad had a son on a 2 year mission in a far away country, he has 4 other children, some grandchildren, and no plan to be around them during the holidays?
What of comfort in the two weeks after their mom died - taking care of her belongings, the household, was the publishing business completely defunct and without care?
It's the first Christmas these kids have spent without their beloved dedicated mother in their whole lives. He left them to deal with the loss of their mother and no Christmas dinner and gifts and motherly care?
They have to experience the now the loss of their father, to a new wife they have never met, or even heard of, (even though he had been doing podcasts with her a year earlier) during the holidays, in that kind of trauma?
Who does this?! I don't care if they are adults, or married, that is some heavy heavy stuff to deal with!!
The Chad Daybell I saw and heard on podcasts and YouTube interviews in February 2019 was talking about family connection and did not see like someone who would do that.
What happened?!

The psychological trauma of all of this to all of these kids, insecurity, the embarrassment and humiliation, fear, shock, unanswered questions, and now made 10x worse because of the media - you just don't get away from that!
What about the pain and trauma to Chad and Lori's parents? And siblings? Where is the care and concern and love here? It is not the stuff of families are forever that I have heard of.

To claim they are both loving and responsible parents and they chose to and still appear to be choosing to put their families through this nightmare, it is just unfathomable.
If someone is threatening them or the kids of bodily or mortal harm, have the authorities deal with them.
If someone undesirable is seeking custody of your precious children, deal with that issue.
Why drag your whole entire family through lies and deceit and secrecy and create a whole other kind of threat and custody issue, that there may be no returning from?
IF there were threats from Kay and family, produce THAT evidence. If there were threats from Charles before his death, produce THAT evidence.
If there were jobs and "normal" reasons for moving to Rexburg, bring THAT in the open.

Where is the TRUTH? Where are Tylee and JJ?

This is an extensive list of some potential questions and some potential motives and considerations that seem to need to be asked.
I post here in hopes that maybe someone else will come forward with some observations, or in case some of the news media or LE will read and consider bringing this to the forefront in the upcoming trials.
The fact that the case is moved to JULY, when 2 children are still missing, is so crazy.

Honestly, I continue to hold hope that somehow there is a possible reasonable explanation that will all make sense and that the kids will be found, that these good families can try to move forward out of the trauma.

To Lori and Chad, and anyone else involved - if you began this quest with good intentions of upholding goodness, exclaiming the truth of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and ushering in any kind of goodness for mankind going forward... you could even now begin your mission of preparing a people for the cause. This might be done by dispelling the lies, showing up, setting examples, standing for truth and righteousness, being accountable to your stewardship, offering restitution and reconciliation, fulfilling the God-given roles of parenthood, being an honorable faithful husbands and wives to those you have committed and covenanted to - for the TRUTH will set you free!

Thanks for your perspective here! Nice to have you onboard.
 
  • #669
My theory was that they are trying to deny/hide/downplay their beliefs now that they have come under the spotlight. Can you explain why Julie Rowe would be excommunicated but Chad wouldn't? Their beliefs aren't that much different. How many people in Chad's circles even knew about the zombie stuff?

The zombie stuff throws me for a loop. That's the thing that's hardest to connect to Mormon beliefs, in my view. I have no idea how widespread that is/was -- maybe it is the thing that distinguishes Chad from all the others.

I think Rowe was excommunicated largely because she was more vocal and visible -- more self-promotional (and thus it seemed to church leaders, I'd suspect, that she had gained/was gaining a significant following). If Chad was making some of the same claims, he kept a tighter wrap on them than she did. Her greater involvement in and promotion of energy healings may also have played a role. I remember hearing on various LDS blogs/media about Rowe in 2017, 2018, 2019, but not Daybell; he was never the face of the movement in the same way she was.

There's also a bit of randomness, as local leaders are usually those that initiate and follow through on excommunications, and so their different local leaders may possibly have played into things.

I completely agree that Melanie, et.al., are trying to downplay their beliefs; there is some recognition that those beliefs don't play well to larger audiences.
 
  • #670
Re: quick marriages:
I would say it's very unusual, especially with children in the mix. That makes it especially irresponsible. As indicated earlier, months, people would joke about it being quick, but days, no. That would make everyone's jaw drop. There is no requirement for pre-marital counseling. It's looked down upon to get married outside the temple, even for a second marriage (though more acceptable than a first marriage, for a number of practical reasons), and just for logistical purposes, that typically can't be done quickly. You have to have a series of interviews and then schedule a date at the temple. Even if two people claim (as these two insinuate, though not outright) that God confirmed to them that they should get married, most people would see it as strange to do it so quickly, and without family. It just seems unnecessarily fast.

ETA: there are people who would say "if you know it's right, why wait?" But I still think 10 days would shock most of them, too ;)

3 quick marriages:

Chad and Lori. She's in jail, he's being investigated for things, there's a mobile FBI lab parked in Rexburg for them.

Melani and Ian. There's 2 custody fights going on, he secretly recorded his wife, they're "hanging by a thread" and need 2 lawyers to answer questions about Melani's aunt.

Alex and ZP. He's dead. She's the quietest member of this whole group.

This all worked out well. Jmo
 
  • #671
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And remember, she did think Charles was cheating. "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

Turning narrative into fact is not objective argument. What she said is not necessarily what she thought.

The evidence for the time in question points towards Lori cheating on Charles.

Lori's email to Chad in June confirms an invitation to stay with her as he did before in November 2018.

Kay says Charles found emails from Lori to Chad of her private dancing for him the same month she accused Charles of cheating.

Lori took Charles' computer so she may have had opportunity to put information on it.

Charles denied cheating and his concern and actions to try and help Lori after he observed her mental deterioration speak louder than anything else. His friend listened in on the conversation and told police "her statements were, were uh strangely irrational, um she was accusing him of something but would not tell him what it was". Why wouldn't Lori tell him he was cheating? It's easy to tell others a lie when drumming up a storm, but not so easy to tell that lie to the person accused.

MOO
 
  • #672
Is there any information on chads up bringing regarding he and his family's religious beliefs? When did he adopt his so called LDS beliefs? I am not personally convinced chad believes any of the stuff he talked about, he strikes me as the kind of guy that likes to tell these fantasy style stories to people and gets a kick out of people being captivated by it all and feeling like they are all part of this group he's created. Other this his own claims of having near death experiences, is there any other prior history of his religious beliefs growing up? Part of me feels like he set out to take advantage of people from the get go.
 
  • #673
ITA @Bellat! Also, Chad had told his parents (Parents!) that Lori was an empty nester, so probably not doing much to find a place where he could use his insurance money to make sure that no one could find them.
 
  • #674
Lori left the Phoenix area around the end of August after her landlord asked her to leave. That was about 6 weeks after Charles's death. I find that a plausible period for threats to develop. And where else would she run but to the town your lover lives in? Maybe she checked and the apartment in Rexburg had a no pet policy. Yes, service dogs are not pets but do we know if the dog was truly a service dog as opposed to an emotional support animal?


Even Kay admitted in an interview that she may have crossed the line at times. We have not seen the emails so I don't think any of us can make such a definitive declaration that there were no threats.
Until this evidence is shared, which I hope law enforcement has it, we don’t know. It’s possible threats exist but it’s also possible that there aren’t any. As much as we know about the players in this case, we really are only seeing select information.
 
  • #675
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Having watched the interviews it seems to me like they're more interested in painting a narrative that casts themselves, Lori, et al., in a positive light than in actually telling the truth. Which is understandable, of course, considering the position they're in. But at the end of the day, if truth itself becomes the victim in exchange for the expediency of protecting oneself and ones own self-interests, then it becomes at once disingenuous, dishonest, and even duplicitous on their part to pretend they stand with the banner of truth. I would then like to examine some of the things I've observed from this interview and weigh them to see if truth really is what they seek, or if they are only looking after their own self-interests and welfare.

First off, let's start with the presence of the attorneys. Let me be clear, I'm not against having attorneys present in the least, and I'm not going to speculate or infer guilt or innocence based on their presence. Attorneys aren't there to make sure the truth is known and told, they are there simply to represent and protect their clients interests, regardless of guilt or innocence. This fact alone would indicate that there is at least some level of self-interest on the part of those being interviewed to make sure that they were there. Contrast that with all the interviews with the Woodcocks, Colby, BB, etc., who never had attorneys present when being interviewed - they aren't interested in self-preservation or protecting themselves legally, rather, they are seeking to make truths known, find answers, and looking out for the best interests of others - namely the children and other innocent people involved.

In a similar vein, the location of the interviewees is noteworthy. Ian and Melani are not doing the interview in person, but rather appear to be doing it electronically from the safety and comfort of the Attorney's office. That office represents a refuge and safe place for them, again indicative of self-preservation, rather than meeting with a potential adversary on their own home turf which could be viewed as dangerous.




BBM. Based on what she's telling us, it actually does sound like she resents and blames her dad for everything, in spite of her protestations to the contrary. She was 6 when her world was turned upside down. She wouldn't have even been capable to understand and process what was going on at that tender age, and she even admits it here. And she certainly wouldn't have been aware of the facts of the situation. And yet all the "facts" she shares is very pointedly against her dad. How did she come to hold these beliefs and have this perspective? Almost certainly from her Cox family members. It sounds to me like the story she is telling us is that she believes her dad tore her away from her mother, which she couldn't understand why being so young, and then as she grew up and would ask questions like "where's mommy?" or "why can't I see her?" her dad would tell her "all manner of things about the Coxes" and so she began to resent her father for 1) taking her away from her mother, and 2) talking bad about the Cox side of the family (of which she was a part).

Later, after she had grown up a bit, was a teenager and began to exercise her independence and perhaps became a bit rebellious, she naturally wanted to reach out to her Cox side of the family and hear their side of the story. Of course they would have welcomed the opportunity and wouldn't have had anything flattering to say about her dad, and anything they said would have served only to continue to feed her resentment.

Here's some questions:

How would have Melani come to believe that "there was some infidelity" from her dad towards her mother and that's what initiated the seperation? At 6 years old? I can almost certainly guarantee it wasn't her dad that told her this story. I'd be willing to bet she learned this only later in life and from the Coxes. And, if there were truth to the accusation of infidelity, then how did she end up in the custody of her father instead of her mother? While such may happen on occasion it is my experience and understanding that in the vast majority of cases, when there is infidelity in marriage which leads to divorce, the children usually end up with the other parent. This doesn't pass the sniff test to me. There must be more going on which she isn't telling us.

I'm willing to believe Melani's memory of "going to go get gas" is fairly accurate, even at 6 years old, because I have similar memories of events at such a young age. When something especially traumatic or good happens it can be ingrained into our memories with surprising clarity. And leaving one's home and mother pretty much to never see her again would definitely be traumatic for a child. However, I seriously doubt everything else she shares about that event is from her own memory, but rather a narrative the Cox family fed her later in life when she finally got in touch with them. How could a child of that age know or understand if her father had turned off the power, stolen her mother's credit cards and personal belongings, and then left her basically to die on her sickbed with no means of caring for herself? That would have been an atrocious thing to do! And yet, if such were true, then how did dad later end up with custody of Melani? Again I'm willing to bet she never heard of these things from her father, but rather much later from the Coxes.

Based upon the facts of the case (primarily that dad ended up with custody of Melani), along with the narrative Melani shares, it sounds to me like her dad did the right thing in trying to keep her away from the Cox family because they did end up poisoning Melani's mind and heart. JMO.

One other thing. Melani says that Lori has "always been somebody that has so much unconditional love and no judgment, no drama." I don't know how Melani managed to say that with a straight face. No drama? No judgement? Unconditional love? Seriously?!? Then how in the world have we come to where we are now? Why is she on her fifth marriage? Why is Charles dead at the hands of Lori's brother? Why was she shopping for a wedding dress and ring, obviously planning for a marriage, at a time when her future husband was still married to his wife? Why did she allow a playful slap on the backside from said future husband, again while he was still married to his wife Tammy? Why did she take Tylee away to Hawaii, away from her father without his knowledge or permission, when there was an ongoing custody dispute? In most places that would be considered kidnapping and/or custodial interference. Why did she abandon her husband Charles and her adopted son JJ for nearly two months, with no sign or word from her on where she went? Why did she cancel Charles' flight home forcing him to buy a $600 ticket instead, take his truck from the airport, drain his business account of $35,000 dollars, change the house locks and take his property, attempt to lock him out of his own life insurance policy, make threats against him to the point he feared for his own life, etc., etc., etc.,? Why are the children missing and have been now for 8 months with no sign or word from them? And I could go on and on and on. No drama? No judgement? Unconditional love? Seriously?!? Are you even listening to the words coming out of your mouth? Melani truly must have been brainwashed if she really believes that.

Does Melani really want the truth to be known? Or is she painting a narrative to try and protect herself and her own?

I could go on about this interview, about how she continually paints good people as the bad guys, and those who are (or are suspected of) engaging in patterns of criminal activities as the good guys, but already this post is getting to be too long. Instead I'll just share a scripture for Melani to ponder over, in the off chance she comes across this post.

Isaiah 5:18-23

18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
20 ¶ Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
Such a well thought out post. Thank you.
 
  • #676
Until this evidence is shared, which I hope law enforcement has it, we don’t know. It’s possible threats exist but it’s also possible that there aren’t any. As much as we know about the players in this case, we really are only seeing select information.

I get the feeling Kay is an open book with LE. I'm guessing they've seen every single email between Kay and Lori. Jmo
 
  • #677
Did anyone notice Melani was much more animated in video 3? What do you think caused that? Jmo
 
  • #678
3 quick marriages:

Chad and Lori. She's in jail, he's being investigated for things, there's a mobile FBI lab parked in Rexburg for them.

Melani and Ian. There's 2 custody fights going on, he secretly recorded his wife, they're "hanging by a thread" and need 2 lawyers to answer questions about Melani's aunt.

Alex and ZP. He's dead. She's the quietest member of this whole group.

This all worked out well. Jmo
As of yesterday, the fbi unit is still parked here.
 
  • #679
As of yesterday, the fbi unit is still parked here.

You're new here, aren't you? I meant to say welcome aboard!

Is it unsettling to have an fbi unit in town?
 
  • #680
I get the feeling Kay is an open book with LE. I'm guessing they've seen every single email between Kay and Lori. Jmo
Kay definitely seems to want to share what she knows. I think that’s a good thing. All jmo
 
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