Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

[Spartygirl]

From the interview:

1) Melani says she moved to Idaho in November and it was a coincidence that Ian lived right across the street from her! She placed an ad on a dating site and lo and behold, he saw it! Not buying it.

2) Melani says Alex had been courting Zulema for months, really wanted to marry her, and she was waiting for the "right time." Also, she is having a hard time dealing with his loss.

3) Melani says it was a total coincidence that she and Ian decided to get married the day after Zulema and Alex. They basically bumped into each other in Vegas. Not buying that either.

Oh good Lord.
I don't believe one thing she says.

 

[MadTing]

Ian still confuses me, i can't work out why he is going along with this and whether or not melani has told him the full story and they both know where the kids are or whether melani knows the full story and knows where the kids are but is only giving ian bits and pieces. There seems to be a trend of this never ending well for any of the husbands. I really wonder if ian is being led along or they have already sucked him well and truly into their weird little world.

 

[squareandrabbet]

How do we think a Gilbert, AZ officer (this is not the PI) would do "intermittent" surveillance in ID? Surely he wouldn't fly out every few days? Or drive back and forth. Was this surveillance electronic? Otherwise, it seems he would go to ID and his surveillance would be almost constant. Do they call it intermittent because he slept and used the restroom?

Also, if they were surveiling Lori beginning in November, wouldn't they have known she flew to Kauai the first time? Maybe they said intermittent because they lost track of her?

does ‘intermittent’ mean wiretaps?

The report lists what was included in their tox panel, which has some weird inclusions (like gabapentin, why? That’s not terribly lethal or illicit) and weird exclusions (no amphetamines? No opiates?) but it is likely their local usual panel. It is only positive for caffeine, the other substances you name were negative for their “cutoff” range. The weird part about the caffeine for me is that is not very Mormon. My Mormon friends are pretty strict about the no caffiene rule, though they might be more relaxed on the hot beverages (who can resist hot chocolate? Jesus will understand). Although Lori doesn’t seem to abide by the Mormon in good standing attire expectations, so maybe they imbibe in caffeinated beverages too?

I remember commenting that we very conspicuously see Lori with a Sprite on her Hawaiian travels; so for her I’m saying ‘no’. As Alex was a truck driver, I wouldn’t be surprised if he found some way to square caffeine with his beliefs.

I have no doubt MP had a lot of trauma in her childhood.

Having said that, it stood out to me the frequent referencing of openess, truth, and sharing what we know. Too much.

yeah, it’s either culty or an immature attempt at misdirection, trying to convince the audience by frequent repetition of these buzzwords, that they are in fact all these things (when they are so clearly not).

 

[MadTing]

dbm

 

[squareandrabbet]

Also from the interview, this beauty:

When Tylee and JJ show up and are here again, I don’t know if people would even believe it.

What do they call this technique in argument? Reductio ad absurdum ?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I found that interview pretty benign. Not any hard questions but she was pretty well spoken. No spin, no verbal gymnastics, etc. everything sounded sincere. The only observation is that interview likely took place in an attorneys office and it appeared there were attorneys on each side of them. Let’s get to some harder questions please.

The Cox Family is politically savvy.... say certain thinks long enough and people will listen. "there is nooo cuuuult." "Lori is suuuuch a good motheeer". Political politics can go so far. But then there is truth. Lets see if the campaign works!

 

[TLobo]

The history of MP's family as described by MP is interesting. There is almost as much that can be read between the lines as what is expressly stated. Those parts are MOO.

...

After learning more about Melani's parents and her upbringing, I just can't get over how unlucky the Cox family is. Maybe my extended family is just boring, but in this family of 2 parents and 5 surviving kids, you have:

-parents involved in multiple legal issues, which seem to be of their own volition.

-1 son, AxC dying relatively young with a natural explanation, though suspicious timing, after having both tazed and killed his sister's husbands and entering in to a head-puzzling marriage; rumors of trips to South America for less-than-respectable reasons...

-1 son, AdC, involved in other work-related legal/ethical issues (not to bring all his stuff into this mess).

-1 daughter, SC, dying young, after numerous medical issues and legal issues, including marrying someone who would leave her while she's medically fragile, taking their young child, and then (supposedly) attempting to poison said child's mind against the entire family (not sure if this says more about the Coxes/MP's mom's judgement, or MP's dad); then MP and her whole divorce, attempted shooting, and custody situation.

-1 daughter, LV, about whom I do not have enough time to write, but whose life includes 5 marriages, 2 missing children, bankruptcy, interactions with law enforcement, attempts at mental health evaluations, allegations toward former husbands of both child abuse and cheating, drawn-out custody battles that she reportedly enjoyed (and MP says she has no drama), 3 dead spouses (including TD), likely SS fraud, etc., etc., etc.

-1 daughter, SS, who seems like she's been flying under the radar.

I mean. MOO. But to claim that all of these things have just happened, coincidentally, and to try to portray your family as being a completely respectable and normal LDS family? Nah.

 

[CSIDreamer]

After learning more about Melani's parents and her upbringing, I just can't get over how unlucky the Cox family is. Maybe my extended family is just boring, but in this family of 2 parents and 5 surviving kids, you have:

-parents involved in multiple legal issues, which seem to be of their own volition.

-1 son, AxC dying relatively young with a natural explanation, though suspicious timing, after having both tazed and killed his sister's husbands and entering in to a head-puzzling marriage; rumors of trips to South America for less-than-respectable reasons...

-1 son, AdC, involved in other work-related legal/ethical issues (not to bring all his stuff into this mess).

-1 daughter, SC, dying young, after numerous medical issues and legal issues, including marrying someone who would leave her while she's medically fragile, taking their young child, and then (supposedly) attempting to poison said child's mind against the entire family (not sure if this says more about the Coxes/MP's mom's judgement, or MP's dad); then MP and her whole divorce, attempted shooting, and custody situation.

-1 daughter, LV, about whom I do not have enough time to write, but whose life includes 5 marriages, 2 missing children, bankruptcy, interactions with law enforcement, attempts at mental health evaluations, allegations toward former husbands of both child abuse and cheating, drawn-out custody battles that she reportedly enjoyed (and MP says she has no drama), 3 dead spouses (including TD), likely SS fraud, etc., etc., etc.

-1 daughter, SS, who seems like she's been flying under the radar.

I mean. MOO. But to claim that all of these things have just happened, coincidentally, and to try to portray your family as being a completely respectable and normal LDS family? Nah.

My family is fairly dysfunctional but these people make us look fabulous! Jmo

 

[fuzzybutter]

I don't think she needs advice from family to motivate her chaotic and inexplicable behavior.

Given the recent news that the FBI is looking into the death of Joe Ryan as part of the ongoing investigations, I decided to refresh my memory and re-read the timeline entries about the Joe Ryan v Lori Ryan divorce filing, various custody-related filings relating to their shared biological child - Tylee, LR's remarriage - becoming LV, LV's and CV's move to HI and later move back, AxC's attack upon Joe Ryan, and Joe Ryan's death.

LVD has a history. In that case, she defied court orders, brought chaos into the family court proceedings (for not just her case, but in relation to CV's custody agreements as well, so much so that a judge actually combined the proceedings of the entire mixed family), was ordered to undergo a psych evaluation (and she played games with the timing of that), and was ordered to have visitations from CV's sons surveilled.

Those are behaviors that are typical of narcissistic personalities who process-abuse their estranged spouses, former spouses, former spouses of their new spouses, and the various children involved in the mixture of spouses, former spouses and former spouses of their new spouses. And those types of narcissists often poison the minds of their children against their other biological/adopted parents by revising history through accusations and planted memories of physical and sexual abuse (accusations not made during the marriage, but only during the conflicted divorce/custody process). They villainize their opponents and present themselves as victims without regard for the harm they are causing their children with all the conflict.

Like what is happening now.

ETA: These types of personalities create chaos in the family court system. In another case I've followed (Jennifer Dulos), the state of CT introduced a law to improve the state's ability to contend with cases in which one or both parties abuse the court processes in such a way. CT considers such abuse domestic violence.

Thank you for your thoughtful email. You have clearly explained, much better than I could, what I have long suspected is at the core of all this craziness--Lori's personality disorders, particularly narcissistic personality. Everything else is just extra window dressing. I completely believe that it is her "chaotic and inexplicable behavior" that is driving the crazy bus. I wonder if Chad has figured this out yet, or he still thinks she is loyal acolyte?

 

[squareandrabbet]

Also, I agree with the person who said it’s easy to understand Melani being receptive to brainwashing after her past formative experiences. She’s not a simple young woman; and she’s not so much of a nitwit as I had heretofore been labeling her either. Tracking down the Coxes required curiosity, a curiosity that currently seems a bit lacking; and it’s not that often that you find yourself starring in a real life ‘Girl on the Milk Carton’ situation.

on the positive side, I wonder if this makes her a successful candidate to be ‘flipped’ by the (true) Light side.

 

[fred&edna]

Oh good Lord.
I don't believe one thing she says.

Same here!!

 

[Spartygirl]

The history of MP's family as described by MP is interesting. There is almost as much that can be read between the lines as what is expressly stated. Those parts are MOO.

Her parents marry and have her, but mom is very sick and MP spends a lot of time with Mom's family while Dad travels. (We know this started at birth, but don't know how long it continued as MP doesn't mention how old she was when her family moved to Seattle. We don't know how many of her first six years were spent in close proximity to her mother's family vs. how many with just her own family in Seattle.)

Dad takes a job a few states away from MP's maternal family. (He puts distance between his family and his wife's extended family. Raises the question: Did Cox family dominate, rather than just help? Were there serious boundary issues? Note that those would be consistent with family conditions that might cause eating disorders in the female children, as MP's dad says her mother suffered - something she also says the Cox family denies. But DVT can occur in those suffering anorexia.)

When Melani is 6, Dad abandons his wife and he and MP live in a hotel. (They go into hiding for a couple of months; she actually describes it as "hid in a hotel." What was the threat? Did Cox family boundary issues follow them to Seattle?)

A nasty custody battle follows, but MP grows up with her dad and eventually also her stepmom, so apparently her dad won full custody. (This is not typical, especially back then, for a family court to grant the father full custody. There must have been plenty of evidence that he was a more fit parent than MP's mother was, even with help from her own family - or maybe even especially. I suspect the Cox family attempted to dominate and abused court processes as Lori did in her custody battle with Joe Ryan.)

Although her dad permits her to travel to say goodbye to her mother, who dies in her early 30's in a hospice, he does not allow her to see or visit with any of the Cox family. (Her dad won't permit MP's visit to say goodbye to her mother to be manipulated by the Cox family to regain access to MP.)

At a computer at her high school (not at home), 15 yr-old MP googles one of Lori's brothers and reestablishes a relationship with the Cox family and they fill her in on all the nasty things her dad has done to keep her distant from them. (MP goes behind her dad's and stepmother's back to reengage with the Cox family on her own. I wonder if the Cox family members were defying court orders when they engaged with MP in this way. They certainly must have been doing so when they were saying alienating things about her father.)

In all her bible studies, MP must have skipped over the story of Adam, Eve, the serpent, and the tempting fruit.

IMO, the brainwashing of Melani started LONG before Chad was ever in the picture.

BBM--Which is probably the reason why Melani's dad tried to keep her AWAY for the Cox family. He had been around the whole family upon marrying her mom--he left with her, he hid her, he kept her away from them.
I know most times we tend to believe he may have been paranoid or just an evil person to disassociate his child with her maternal side of the family.
I am now thinking.. he knew what he was doing to keep her away from them.
He KNEW it was best to keep her away from them.
He did it to protect Melani
Now he is helping BB protect his children, Melani's dad's Grandchildren, by keeping them away from her and her family.
There is a reason for that.
JMO

 

[KonaHonu]

Although her dad permits her to travel to say goodbye to her mother, who dies in her early 30's in a hospice, he does not allow her to see or visit with any of the Cox family. (Her dad won't permit MP's visit to say goodbye to her mother to be manipulated by the Cox family to regain access to MP.)

This is a dramatically different narrative than we hear previously. The old story was that she died at home in Alex's presence and I think he ordered a pizza on her credit card while waiting for EMS. I'm going to have to do some digging in the early threads.

Also, Melani says she "went up there" to be with her but we have documented she died in San Antonio.

 

[CSIDreamer]

This is a dramatically different narrative than we hear previously. The old story was that she died at home in Alex's presence and I think he ordered a pizza on her credit card while waiting for EMS. I'm going to have to do some digging in the early threads.

Also, Melani says she "went up there" to be with her but we have documented she died in San Antonio.

I found her story a bit startling, too. Jmo

 

[KonaHonu]

She explains every situation as a coincidence when a simple truth would explain things: "Alex and I and our future spouses all decided to get married in Vegas on the same weekend because we're buds, we thought it would be fun and so we planned it that way!"

When people tell fibs even when the truth is more satisfying and logistically works better...I start to wonder some things. Like....why????

There is an agenda with these recent interviews. They are being guided by attorneys so I suspect it is to create a new narrative with the public to counteract the negative narrative. But what boggles my mind is that if you do that with lies it is very likely to come back to haunt you in the future because it destroys your credibility and becomes really hard to remember what you said previously. So it's hard for me to believe she is lying about provable facts. I don't think lawyers would recommend lying. She's not under oath but her statements could lead to problems for her and/or Lori later because of what they reveal. That does not mean I believe her. It would be pretty hard for any of us to prove either way whether the weddings were coordinated or not. In the end I don't think it is relevant either so I don't dwell on that.

 

[ReadyorNot]

There is an agenda with these recent interviews. They are being guided by attorneys so I suspect it is to create a new narrative with the public to counteract the negative narrative. But what boggles my mind is that if you do that with lies it is very likely to come back to haunt you in the future because it destroys your credibility and becomes really hard to remember what you said previously. So it's hard for me to believe she is lying about provable facts. I don't think lawyers would recommend lying. She's not under oath but her statements could lead to problems for her and/or Lori later because of what they reveal. That does not mean I believe her. It would be pretty hard for any of us to prove either way whether the weddings were coordinated or not. In the end I don't think it is relevant either so I don't dwell on that.

True but attorneys don't usually fact check their clients do they? I mean accepting what they say creates plausible deniability which allows them to do their job since they cannot knowingly allow a client to lie in court.

 

[Diddian]

This is a dramatically different narrative than we hear previously. The old story was that she died at home in Alex's presence and I think he ordered a pizza on her credit card while waiting for EMS. I'm going to have to do some digging in the early threads.

Also, Melani says she "went up there" to be with her but we have documented she died in San Antonio.

BBM and ETA: Good catch on the potentially conflicting storyline about where MP's mom was when she died. It is possible that the hospice care was at home, but it doesn't seem like that would be the case here since MP says her dad wouldn't allow her to be in presence of Cox family.

I noticed the "went up there" too and assumed that Melani is not good with directions. Still, I've tucked that tidbit away in case relevant in the future since there were claims made by some (I think Dateline even mentioned it) that CD & LVD might be headed to Mexico from Kauai shortly before she was arrested, so I've wondered if there is any association with some of the fringe LDS groups down there.

 

[FindingJoLee]

There is an agenda with these recent interviews. They are being guided by attorneys so I suspect it is to create a new narrative with the public to counteract the negative narrative. But what boggles my mind is that if you do that with lies it is very likely to come back to haunt you in the future because it destroys your credibility and becomes really hard to remember what you said previously. So it's hard for me to believe she is lying about provable facts. I don't think lawyers would recommend lying. She's not under oath but her statements could lead to problems for her and/or Lori later because of what they reveal. That does not mean I believe her. It would be pretty hard for any of us to prove either way whether the weddings were coordinated or not. In the end I don't think it is relevant either so I don't dwell on that.

I'm not sure that detail matters either. But there is so much that people in this case are lying about. Demonstrable lies. It leaves me concerned that some of these people have a lying problem, a pathological problem.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

BBM--Which is probably the reason why Melani's dad tried to keep her AWAY for the Cox family. He had been around the whole family upon marrying her mom--he left with her, he hid her, he kept her away from them.
I know most times we tend to believe he may have been paranoid or just an evil person to disassociate his child with her maternal side of the family.
I am now thinking.. he knew what he was doing to keep her away from them.
He KNEW it was best to keep her away from them.
He did it to protect Melani
Now he is helping BB protect his children, Melani's dad's Grandchildren, by keeping them away from her and her family.
There is a reason for that.
JMO

This is exactly what I was hearing too. Something is really squirrely about Ian and Melanie. I am wondering how long Ian lasts in this whole scenario other than now he will have a child with her. What a mess...I can not figure Melanie out and holding on to the information we know she is sitting on to help find those kids. Is this just a holding pattern and double speak until July and the Second Coming? MOO

 

[Tortoise]

When and why did Melani leave Idaho, to follow Ian to AZ? It's possible she'd left before Nov 26th, but police don't mention breaking down her door.


EIN - IP: Seeing her interact with my kids for the first time, we came, so we came to Arizona, um, I came down with my two children to have Thanksgiving with my family, and uh she came down um a few days later, and on her way down she was talking about how she didn't have anybody to go to Thanksgiving with and so I invited her to come be with my family it was kind of a spur of the moment thing and er so she showed up and [...]

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Nov 26th - welfare check on JJ. Alex is there, outside with Chad. Lori and Chad flee during the night, leaving toys on the porch.
Nov 27th - FBI raids 3 apartments, including Melani's. Not only C&L have gone, but Alex has also gone and police break down his door to get in. Where was Melani?
Nov 28th - Thanksgiving. Chad is in So Cal.
Nov 29th - Alex marries Zulema in Las Vegas.
Nov 30th - Melani and Ian marry in Las Vegas.

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I think there's some revision of history going on -

Ian's doc - "they [Lori and Chad] said they were planning on taking off and that I'd be taking the reins concerning care of Melani. They said they'd be going to Hawaii."

CBS interview: IP: It was a shock finding out that Chad and Lori are gone, kids are missing, people's doors are being kicked down because they can't find the kids.