Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

[Gardenkeep]

I am at a disadvantage because I work with live patients, but I agree with much of what you said. In live patients when I get a result of a potassium of say, 7, that comes from the lab as “critical”!! And the first question is to ask if the blood was sitting around before it went to the lab, because old cells will ‘open up’ and release potassium giving a false result. The intervention is to draw another stat and track it so it gets to the lab stat too. I agree the dehydration alone would account for the elevated creatinine (although the sodium was fine, and ems likely gave if fluids). It’s abnormal but not going to kill anyone that day. The heart fibrotic changes are typical for long-standing untreated hypertension. The atherosclerotic disease just means he was at risk for a heart attack, not a PE.

I am a MD, btw, but gardenkeep I truly value your opinion here. I only read the report once but I don’t recall a finding of other DVTs in the calves. The finding of so so many emboli, all over both lungs, and the tissues described as uniformly ischemic (purplish) is odd to me and seems like an acute event. Micoremboli would be able to travel from the lungs to the heart (leading to a few in heart vessels) then out to the big hose that is the aorta to successively smaller vessels before they get lodged as little brown marks in the fingernails, or reddened/ischemic patches on fingers or toes. We have none of that, only the lungs. I am a little out of my depth

Air Bubbles. That is the only other thing I can think of. Riverdoc, I definitely defer to you. Thank you for appreciating my thoughts, but I'm just a tech. I have no where near your expertise. I gotta say though, I've loved this conversation! I miss diagnostics and medicine. I loved my job. LOL So, before we get snipped mod stuff for being out of subject, I will stop at this, but Thank you!

 

[KonaHonu]

BBM and ETA: Good catch on the potentially conflicting storyline about where MP's mom was when she died. It is possible that the hospice care was at home, but it doesn't seem like that would be the case here since MP says her dad wouldn't allow her to be in presence of Cox family.

I noticed the "went up there" too and assumed that Melani is not good with directions. Still, I've tucked that tidbit away in case relevant in the future since there were claims made by some (I think Dateline even mentioned it) that CD & LVD might be headed to Mexico from Kauai shortly before she was arrested, so I've wondered if there is any association with some of the fringe LDS groups down there.

Since my earlier post I found a matching entry in the Texas death index confirming Stacey Cope died in Bexar County Texas (San Antonio). I've also found information that Stacey, Barry, and Alex all live in San Antonio at the same address around that time. Maybe hospice was with Mom and Dad.

Melani has some characteristic speech patterns and phrases she uses (don't we all) so "go up there" might just be her way of saying to travel somewhere.

It's possible that at 9 she may not have fully understood the situation and her story now is what she believes, possibly after being told lies over the years.

 

[KonaHonu]

DBM

 

[KonaHonu]

DBM

 

[Spartygirl]

When and why did Melani leave Idaho, to follow Ian to AZ? It's possible she'd left before Nov 26th, but police don't mention breaking down her door.


EIN - IP: Seeing her interact with my kids for the first time, we came, so we came to Arizona, um, I came down with my two children to have Thanksgiving with my family, and uh she came down um a few days later, and on her way down she was talking about how she didn't have anybody to go to Thanksgiving with and so I invited her to come be with my family it was kind of a spur of the moment thing and er so she showed up and [...]

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Nov 26th - welfare check on JJ. Alex is there, outside with Chad. Lori and Chad flee during the night, leaving toys on the porch.
Nov 27th - FBI raids 3 apartments, including Melani's. Not only C&L have gone, but Alex has also gone and police break down his door to get in. Where was Melani?
Nov 28th - Thanksgiving. Chad is in So Cal.
Nov 29th - Alex marries Zulema in Las Vegas.
Nov 30th - Melani and Ian marry in Las Vegas.

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I think there's some revision of history going on -

Ian's doc - "they [Lori and Chad] said they were planning on taking off and that I'd be taking the reins concerning care of Melani. They said they'd be going to Hawaii."

CBS interview: IP: It was a shock finding out that Chad and Lori are gone, kids are missing, people's doors are being kicked down because they can't find the kids.

Yeah...Like I said before... I don't believe a word either one of them say.
They are all of a sudden, 8 months later, 8 months after the JJ and Tylee go missing, now talking on shows and interviews ??
IMO--they are being primed and pumped by CD and defense attorney.
Their stories are contradicting.
Also, as an Aunt, Niece, Sister, Mother, whatever-- I would NEVER wait 8 months to speak out in regards to any missing children in my life. NEVER-- I would have been advocating for them to be found.
Heck, one of my best friends son is still missing and since day one I have advocated and searched and Shared his story. I have been on the phone for hours with Medical examiners and police depts and complete strangers searching for him.
MP waits 8 months ??? She knows what happened to them.
Her discussion about AC and talking to him about problems, issues in her life...are just ways to CYA regarding any phone calls that LE have been able to find through their investigation.
IP and MP did NOT just happenstantly meet on an online dating service. He was already in Rexburg and lived across the street. ( And I would bet my house that they already knew each other through Aunt Lori and CD and their religious beliefs)
Im sorry, but I call BS and they are in CYA mode.
JMO

 

[KonaHonu]

IP and MP did NOT just happenstantly meet on an online dating service. He was already in Rexburg and lived across the street. ( And I would bet my house that they already knew each other through Aunt Lori and CD and their religious beliefs)
Im sorry, but I call BS and they are in CYA mode.
JMO

I suspect you are right but I'd like to loo into this. Do we know which dating app they supposedly me on? I think I heard it was an app for LDS but do we know the name of it?

 

[Spartygirl]

I suspect you are right but I'd like to loo into this. Do we know which dating app they supposedly me on? I think I heard it was an app for LDS but do we know the name of it?

I do not know and as I was typing that, my thought went to digging into this to see if I could find it.

 

[renarde]

Three things:

1. I appreciate that they filled in a few gaps....but there are some big missing pieces in that story.
2. Ian's body language was so interesting.
3. I wonder how often Ian is available to his children because he is living a very long ways from them.

Hopefully they left something on the table for the next two segments.

Did they say his children were with them when they got married in Vegas? That is so odd.

 

[Gigi3]

Yeah...Like I said before... I don't believe a word either one of them say.
They are all of a sudden, 8 months later, 8 months after the JJ and Tylee go missing, now talking on shows and interviews ??
IMO--they are being primed and pumped by CD and defense attorney.
Their stories are contradicting.
Also, as an Aunt, Niece, Sister, Mother, whatever-- I would NEVER wait 8 months to speak out in regards to any missing children in my life. NEVER-- I would have been advocating for them to be found.
Heck, one of my best friends son is still missing and since day one I have advocated and searched and Shared his story. I have been on the phone for hours with Medical examiners and police depts and complete strangers searching for him.
MP waits 8 months ??? She knows what happened to them.
Her discussion about AC and talking to him about problems, issues in her life...are just ways to CYA regarding any phone calls that LE have been able to find through their investigation.
IP and MP did NOT just happenstantly meet on an online dating service. He was already in Rexburg and lived across the street. ( And I would bet my house that they already knew each other through Aunt Lori and CD and their religious beliefs)
Im sorry, but I call BS and they are in CYA mode.
JMO

Good post! I totally agree that they are in CYA mode, right along with Janis and Summer.
I mean, they try to flip the script that the Woodcocks and Brandon were harassing Lori, but we’ve been given way too much information to the contrary. Let’s not mistake trying to find and protect these children for harassment!

They can say whatever they want, but to be believed, they need to produce the “receipts” to back up some of these claims IMO. Melani says Brandon took the children away, but IIRC she didn’t even show up for the custody hearing- why is that? Maybe because uncle Alex told her she wouldn’t need to? MOO
She also says that there’s no evidence to Brandon’s claims, but bullet holes aren’t really up for interpretation IMO also added with the fact of Tylee’s Jeep.

I’ve tried to keep an open mind with the hopes the children are being hidden, but I see a lot of evidence that points to the nefarious.

 

[KonaHonu]

I found the pizza reference related to Stacey's death. It is in the media timeline and the source is Gray Hughes texting with Larry and an unidentified family member. Unfortunately in listening to the video again, "pizza" is not actually mentioned. It just said Alex was the only one there and he was ordering off her credit card. So that story is suspect as well in my opinion. I don't know how Larry would know that kind of detail unless it was told to him by someone wanting to disparage Alex. The same video alleges Alex refinanced his parents house behind their back and took out $250000 cash without their permission. Ok, maybe, but there would be records AND we know there were federal tax leins on their properties from the late 80s until recently so that also makes that story unlikely.

Not saying I believe Melani, just that the alternative story seems unlikely now.

 

[Deleted member 263106]

I do not know and as I was typing that, my thought went to digging into this to see if I could find it.

I think it was called ‘Mutual’.

 

[KonaHonu]

I do not know and as I was typing that, my thought went to digging into this to see if I could find it.

I think it is called Mutual

 

[KonaHonu]

Maybe one or both of them still have a profile.

 

[Teche]

This is a dramatically different narrative than we hear previously. The old story was that she died at home in Alex's presence and I think he ordered a pizza on her credit card while waiting for EMS. I'm going to have to do some digging in the early threads.

Also, Melani says she "went up there" to be with her but we have documented she died in San Antonio.

Being a patient in hospice does not necessarily mean being in a hospice facility. Where was Alex at the time of MP’s mother’s death?

 

[Onsdag]

Since my earlier post I found a matching entry in the Texas death index confirming Stacey Cope died in Bexar County Texas (San Antonio). I've also found information that Stacey, Barry, and Alex all live in San Antonio at the same address around that time. Maybe hospice was with Mom and Dad.

Melani has some characteristic speech patterns and phrases she uses (don't we all) so "go up there" might just be her way of saying to travel somewhere.

It's possible that at 9 she may not have fully understood the situation and her story now is what she believes, possibly after being told lies over the years.

BBM. I suspect it's this. Living in the intermountain west I have noticed people use "up there" frequently in reference to travel in general. Usually North is "up" and South is "down", so people living in Utah Valley will talk about going "up" to Salt Lake and "down" to St. George. However, living in the mountains and valleys people also use "up" and "down" in reference to elevation rather than direction, such that you're going "up" to Park City (7,000' elevation) and "down" to Salt Lake (4,000' elevation). And I'm pretty certain others around these parts say going "up" and "down" simply to mean traveling here and there, wherever those places happen to be. I certainly didn't think much of it when she said it. But I'm guessing it's just because I'm used to people using it in such varied ways. MOO.

 

[KonaHonu]

BBM. I suspect it's this. Living in the intermountain west I have noticed people use "up there" frequently in reference to travel in general. Usually North is "up" and South is "down", so people living in Utah Valley will talk about going "up" to Salt Lake and "down" to St. George. However, living in the mountains and valleys people also use "up" and "down" in reference to elevation rather than direction, such that you're going "up" to Park City (7,000' elevation) and "down" to Salt Lake (4,000' elevation). And I'm pretty certain others around these parts say going "up" and "down" simply to mean traveling here and there, wherever those places happen to be. I certainly didn't think much of it when she said it. But I'm guessing it's just because I'm used to people using it in such varied ways. MOO.

That was essentially my point. When I heard her say "up" I took it to mean Seattle which I knew was not where she died. But also living in the west much of my life I get that up can also just mean traveling anywhere. In my experience "up" can also mean going to a larger city to shop or what ever.

 

[KonaHonu]

I found some new information today, at least I think it is new. Some of it may be non-sleuthable so I'll lay it out in separate posts to make it easy for the mods if I cross a line. That's not my intent. But some of the new information relates to things that are still actively posted here in earlier threads so I would think they are fair game.

 

[KonaHonu]

New info #2 (LD/CV)

I got copies of the Texas probate filings for CV. There is a company that he owed about $200,000 to from a business loan. That's not news. But in the probate filing CV is said to have died intestate, without a will. Lori is at the top of the chain to administer his estate under Texas law. Lori was served the probabte filings on Feb 11, 2020 in Hawaii on behalf of herself and JJ. Probably no significance in the scheme of things.

No information on the value of the estate but apparently under Texas law Lori gets half of the community property. The other half is distributed among his 3 children equally. Any separate property goes 1/3 to Lori and 2/3 is split among the kids.

 

[Drc40]

New info #2 (LD/CV)

I got copies of the Texas probate filings for CV. There is a company that he owed about $200,000 to from a business loan. That's not news. But in the probate filing CV is said to have died intestate, without a will. Lori is at the top of the chain to administer his estate under Texas law. Lori was served the probabte filings on Feb 11, 2020 in Hawaii on behalf of herself and JJ. Probably no significance in the scheme of things.

No information on the value of the estate but apparently under Texas law Lori gets half of the community property. The other half is distributed among his 3 children equally. Any separate property goes 1/3 to Lori and 2/3 is split among the kids.

If his estate was insolvent distribution is moot. In my state life insurance is excluded from probate. That would possibly explain why it was paid out. If his estate had assets, all claims would have to be approved and paid before distribution to his heirs. There’s probably a time limit on making claims too. From all we’ve seen there doesn’t seem to be much, if any, real property. I’m guessing his estate his minimal value.

 

[KonaHonu]

If his estate was insolvent distribution is moot. In my state life insurance is excluded from probate. That would possibly explain why it was paid out. If his estate had assets, all claims would have to be approved and paid before distribution to his heirs. There’s probably a time limit on making claims too. From all we’ve seen there doesn’t seem to be much, if any, real property. I’m guessing his estate his minimal value.

The filing estimated the value to be in excess of $50,000. But after the loan claim is paid that leaves nothing. I found the promisory note for teh loan and Charles did not provide a personal guarantee. Since teh company was an LLC I don't see how they can make a claim against Charles's estate. I suspect they made the claim in case the business has assets/value remaining. But you are right, it does not look like there is much there to be inherited by anyone.