Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

[JujuColumbo]

I find it disgusting that this family is now accusing BB and Charles of being very threatening when THEY in fact murdered Charles and attempted to murder BB... I don’t believe a word Melani says....

 

[indicolite22]

I don't know the name of the African American attorney in pinstripe suit speaking above. The man with the plaid tie on is Robert Jarvis. He wore another plaid tie in the EIN interview. The man with the pink tie in photo below is Garrett Smith:
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See their photos at these links:
https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/85201-az-garrett-smith-411587.html
Mesa AZ Attorney Robert P. Jarvis | Criminal Justice Attorney

Both of these are criminal attorneys. I think Melani has a family law attorney too, possibly the man in the pinstripe suit?

Smith has an interesting alert on his profile linked above. MOO.

Image is from Part 3

BBM. It is stated in the article below that the attorneys at Melani's hearing in February were Stephen Zachary and Garrett Smith.

Niece of Lori Vallow appears in Mesa Courtroom

 

[Diddian]

Thanks for this @tresir2012, you are amazing to do this!

" I did see some of their things, and she had a room set up perfectly for Tylee and JJ, and it didn’t seem strange to me"
IIRC WS have determined that the kids belongings had been taken to the storage unit back in October, before Melani arrived in Rexburg

"Brandon contacted my ex-wife, Natalie"
Didn't Natalie, his ex wife, state that she tracked Brandon down online, and only after she was finally able to get Ian to tell her Melani's previous last name?

"Then right before Thanksgiving, we’re driving down to Arizona to meet Ian’s family and have Thanksgiving"
They just told CBS that Melani came to Ian's family's home 2 days after he got there. So who's this "we" that were driving down to Arizona?

So many inconsistencies. But please keep em coming folks, LE and the prosecution must appreciate how much you are helping them!

It's also interesting what MP says about her apt being broken into (which she later learns was by RPD): (BBM.)

"...Then right before Thanksgiving, we’re driving down to Arizona to meet Ian’s family and have Thanksgiving, and I get a text from (Rexburg Police) Lt. Ball that says, “Somebody’s broken into your home. I need you to call me right away.”

I’m immediately like, “Oh great. My ex has sent somebody. I knew he had a private investigator following me, and I immediately thought he sent somebody to come break into my house. I didn’t know what to text back – I was kind of processing it.”

Then later, I texted back, “Well, I’m with people I love on Thanksgiving, and at least that’s what’s important.” If whatever the heck was taken – I had my emergency cash savings and I had a computer, an iPad, an old phone I didn’t use – I didn’t know what had been taken, but I was like, if my whole apartment is robbed, it’s OK. I got everything I need. It’s not about things.

Then he said, “I need you to call me,” and then I later found out it was the Rexburg Police. They had knocked down my door and taken a lot of my things. I kind of felt bothered about the text I got but I understand they’re just doing investigation.

As soon as I returned after Thanksgiving, I went right into Detective Hermosillo and was like, “What’s going on? I’m here to get my stuff.”


RPD Lt Ball texted her to call and she did not. Instead, she delayed and then she texted a message to put him off. Asked again by a text from Lt Ball to call, she didn't. Instead, she waited until she returned and went into the RPD and asked for Det. Hermosillo (not Lt. Ball, the officer who had texted her).

Delay, avoidance, and then selecting her own choice about which officer to contact. Odd behavior.

 

[Gardener1850]

Thanks for this @tresir2012, you are amazing to do this!

" I did see some of their things, and she had a room set up perfectly for Tylee and JJ, and it didn’t seem strange to me"
IIRC WS have determined that the kids belongings had been taken to the storage unit back in October, before Melani arrived in Rexburg

Good catch, Nurse Gen. Not only were the kid's things in the storage unit by then, but also the nanny who watched JJ in Sept said there was only a mattress for JJ on the floor in a corner of Lori's bedroom. He had another room that only had toys in it but no bedroom of his own like Melani is stating. The nanny also said there was nothing in the house to indicate Tylee lived there-- it appeared that only Lori and JJ lived there. Source: Missing Idaho kid's nanny recounts experience with Lori Vallow days before disappearance

 

[FindingJoLee]

Why does MP say she has 50/50 custody of her children per interview? Obviously she doesnt. Also noone packs up in the middle of the night, moves states away, leaves kids gets married to someone she just met etc and thinks it's a stable and loving environment for her children, imo. It is psychotic also jmo

I truly hope somebody will get to the bottom of that comment!

This line was bizarre:

• "So the day he came to the house, Summer said, “Alex, would you go over – Charles has been kind of aggressive and acting crazy. He’s gonna go over there to get JJ. Will you go over there just in case something happens?” As we see, something did happen."

It's such inexplicable reasoning for her to try to explain Alex' presence at Lori's house by using what Alex later did at Lori's house. "Summer sent Alex over in case Charles needed to be murdered." Alex was there in case something happened...but his own actions were the 'something that happened.'

This segment also seems to indicate that Ian and Melani went to Arizona for Thanksgiving (presumably with his sister and family) together, whereas the previous segment indicated she went there a couple of days after Ian.

Melani hasn't seen the children since the end of August. Nothing hinky about that, not even after living next door (for a week or so? I can't quite figure out how much overlap they had there?) Not one sighting of a seven year-old child with autism. Not on a Thursday after school, not on a weekend, not going along with mom on an errand, not taking a walk with a nanny. Nothing.

WHERE ARE THE CHILDREN???

 

[Gardener1850]

It's also interesting what MP says about her apt being broken into (which she later learns was by RPD):

"...Then right before Thanksgiving, we’re driving down to Arizona to meet Ian’s family and have Thanksgiving, and I get a text from (Rexburg Police) Lt. Ball that says, “Somebody’s broken into your home. I need you to call me right away.”

I’m immediately like, “Oh great. My ex has sent somebody. I knew he had a private investigator following me, and I immediately thought he sent somebody to come break into my house. I didn’t know what to text back – I was kind of processing it.”

Then later, I texted back, “Well, I’m with people I love on Thanksgiving, and at least that’s what’s important.” If whatever the heck was taken – I had my emergency cash savings and I had a computer, an iPad, an old phone I didn’t use – I didn’t know what had been taken, but I was like, if my whole apartment is robbed, it’s OK. I got everything I need. It’s not about things.

Then he said, “I need you to call me,” and then I later found out it was the Rexburg Police. They had knocked down my door and taken a lot of my things. I kind of felt bothered about the text I got but I understand they’re just doing investigation.

As soon as I returned after Thanksgiving, I went right into Detective Hermosillo and was like, “What’s going on? I’m here to get my stuff.”

RPD Lt Ball texted her to call and she did not. Instead, she delayed and then she texted a message to put him off. Asked again by a text from Lt Ball to call, she didn't. Instead, she waited until she returned and went into the RPD and asked for Det. Hermosillo (not Lt. Ball, the officer who had texted her).

Delay, avoidance, and then selecting her own choice about which officer to contact. Odd behavior.

Maybe she didn't want the police to trace the location of her phone when she texted or called? I agree, very strange to not call back a police officer, unless of course you have already lawyered up and been advised not to talk to the police on the phone... I wonder when her criminal defense attorneys from AZ were first hired?

MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

I don't know the name of the African American attorney in pinstripe suit speaking above. The man with the plaid tie on is Robert Jarvis. He wore another plaid tie in the EIN interview. The man with the pink tie in photo below is Garrett Smith:
View attachment 246449

See their photos at these links:
https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/85201-az-garrett-smith-411587.html
Mesa AZ Attorney Robert P. Jarvis | Criminal Justice Attorney

Both of these are criminal attorneys. I think Melani has a family law attorney too, possibly the man in the pinstripe suit?

Smith has an interesting alert on his profile linked above. MOO.

Image is from Part 3:

Thanks for confirming their identity.

 

[indicolite22]

It looks like Melani and Ian gave another interview.

Over the weekend -- we recorded a long interview with Lori Vallow's niece Melani and her husband Ian.
Both are caught up in the missing kids case -- and we asked them about everything from where the kids are to spying for the FBI to what calling JJ and Tylee "zombies" might mean to why Melani thinks Lori is protecting the children.
Stay tuned -- there will be a lot to share on
12 News

Erica Stapleton
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[Nurse Gen]

It's also interesting what MP says about her apt being broken into (which she later learns was by RPD):

"...Then right before Thanksgiving, we’re driving down to Arizona to meet Ian’s family and have Thanksgiving, and I get a text from (Rexburg Police) Lt. Ball that says, “Somebody’s broken into your home. I need you to call me right away.”

I’m immediately like, “Oh great. My ex has sent somebody. I knew he had a private investigator following me, and I immediately thought he sent somebody to come break into my house. I didn’t know what to text back – I was kind of processing it.”

Then later, I texted back, “Well, I’m with people I love on Thanksgiving, and at least that’s what’s important.” If whatever the heck was taken – I had my emergency cash savings and I had a computer, an iPad, an old phone I didn’t use – I didn’t know what had been taken, but I was like, if my whole apartment is robbed, it’s OK. I got everything I need. It’s not about things.

Then he said, “I need you to call me,” and then I later found out it was the Rexburg Police. They had knocked down my door and taken a lot of my things. I kind of felt bothered about the text I got but I understand they’re just doing investigation.

As soon as I returned after Thanksgiving, I went right into Detective Hermosillo and was like, “What’s going on? I’m here to get my stuff.”

RPD Lt Ball texted her to call and she did not. Instead, she delayed and then she texted a message to put him off. Asked again by a text from Lt Ball to call, she didn't. Instead, she waited until she returned and went into the RPD and asked for Det. Hermosillo (not Lt. Ball, the officer who had texted her).

Delay, avoidance, and then selecting her own choice about which officer to contact. Odd behavior.

Yeah, good point! Also, isn't Detective Hermosillo one of the two Rexburg LEO that were listed as some kind of Dark Spirit? Was that part of the document that Ian's exwife found on his computer?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

IDK. I don't think he should sue his daughter for what she said about the credit cards. It might have some kernel of truth as most divorcing spouses wouldn't want the other spouse to run up a bunch of debt prior to a divorce settlement. I find that action more ethical than a family member using a credit card after someone's death (I don't know anything about the legalities of it all but it seems Melani dad's actions were probably legally done versus using your dead sister's CC would not be legal IMHO). Melani tried to twist it to sound like her dad was cruel in his actions when he left her mom, but her story fell flat to me. Her words against her dad might have been hurtful to him, but they were not nearly as inflammatory/slanderous as what was said against BB. BB has a very good lawsuit case IMHO. Even though she made he dad out to be a bad guy, I was pleasantly surprised to hear from Melani that her father is protecting his grandchildren from her. That says a lot when your own father takes your ex-husband's side in a custody dispute. Her father raised her, apparently tried to keep her away from the Coxes, and knows exactly what kind of influence she is under now. And he made the choice to help Brandon instead of her.

MOO.

well, your writing says that Cope is, in fact, in communication with Brandon. That really makes me feel good. Those kids deserve better, and if Brandon and S Cope can help make that happen all the better.
The Coxes. Truly, i think that is really one big story in itself.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Thanks for this @tresir2012, you are amazing to do this!

" I did see some of their things, and she had a room set up perfectly for Tylee and JJ, and it didn’t seem strange to me"
IIRC WS have determined that the kids belongings had been taken to the storage unit back in October, before Melani arrived in Rexburg

"Brandon contacted my ex-wife, Natalie"
Didn't Natalie, his ex wife, state that she tracked Brandon down online, and only after she was finally able to get Ian to tell her Melani's previous last name?

"Then right before Thanksgiving, we’re driving down to Arizona to meet Ian’s family and have Thanksgiving"
They just told CBS that Melani came to Ian's family's home 2 days after he got there. So who's this "we" that were driving down to Arizona?

So many inconsistencies. But please keep em coming folks, LE and the prosecution must appreciate how much you are helping them!

I was under the impression JJ slelpt on a mattress in Lori's room. With mirrors so she could see him. I'm recalling that from the one day nanny. So how did he and Tylee have a perfectly set up room?

Melani is an ace at talking and saying nothing at all. Jmo

 

[indicolite22]

Yeah, good point! Also, isn't Detective Hermosillo one of the two Rexburg LEO that were listed as some kind of Dark Spirit? Was that part of the document that Ian's exwife found on his computer?

He was one of the only 50 dark translated beings in the world.

 

[tresir2012]

BBM. It is stated in the article below that the attorneys at Melani's hearing in February were Stephen Zachary and Garrett Smith.

Niece of Lori Vallow appears in Mesa Courtroom

Ok thanks. Now we have identified all 3.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter


[URL='https://twitter.com/jlumfox10']Justin Lum Fox 10
@jlumfox10[/URL]

UPDATE: Regarding Alex Cox's use of Narcan, Gilbert PD says they can't release any info about the services rendered to Alex prior to his death. It’s unknown how and when the Narcan was administered.
4:18 PM · May 11, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

 

[carbuff]

snipped by car buff

Your thinking is pretty much what I've been thinking for some time.

 

[indicolite22]

Nate Eaton says that he only made it through one page of questions out of three when interviewing Melani in Ian.

Nate Eaton on Twitter

 

[ReadySet]

Am I correct that LVD has never said she hid the kids, or that she's protecting the kids from others, even through her attorneys? Isn't it only other people who have contended this? Or no? TIA

 

[Tortoise]

Am I correct that LVD has never said she hid the kids, or that she's protecting the kids from others, even through her attorneys? Isn't it only other people who have contended this? Or no? TIA

Correct. Not a dicky-bird from Lori.

 

[FindingJoLee]

This posting is an effort to make sense out of some things that have been confusing me for a long time by constructing an admittedly highly speculative narrative. It draws extensively on information gathered outside the TOS boundary and is accordingly coy about certain names and descriptions. Please respect the TOS in any followup comments.

What Was The Plan?

OK, let's put ourselves in the shoes of Chad, Lori, and Alex up in Rexburg in early September. They still need a big score. We don't know why, but there are signs of some Grand Plan that requires upwards of a million dollars to carry out. They tried and failed to get this from killing Charles and so they have decided to murder Brandon and Tammy for their respective insurance payouts.

What About The Kids?

There's a problem: these actions will probably result in contact from the authorities and Tylee and/or JJ might break down under interrogation and spill the beans about the Chandler shooting. So the two children have to be isolated from the authorities.

The simplest solution, as noted here time and time again, is to just murder the children and bury the bodies in Yellowstone National Park. But maybe that is unacceptable, for instance by causing schisms in whatever larger group is involved in the Grand Plan. So for sake of argument let's say the problem reduces to one of hiding JJ and Tylee from the authorities for several months until the Grand Plan can be put in place. But making a pair of kids truly disappear off the face of the earth for a limited time in today's society is no easy task.

Does Being in Rexburg Help?

But by being based in Rexburg Chad and Lori had an option denied to most of us.

North of Yellowstone is an area of Montana that is very much a wilderness. If you put together zip code 59027 and the Western third of zip 59030 you get about 750 square miles with a population density (outside the two towns in the area) less than one person per square mile. Fly over the area with Google Earth and you'll see woods and clearcut fields crisscrossed with a maze of dirt roads and jeep trails and sprinkled lightly with individual houses and small compounds, some left over from a now-diminished New Age religious group that believed in building bomb shelters in preparation for nuclear war. A lot of empty dwelling places are listed for rent, and even more are probably available if you know who to ask.

Lori and Chad would then have to rent a cabin, or RV, or doublewide out on the end of a Jeep trail without leaving an evidentiary trail.

Could The Cox Family Help?

Here we enter an area that hasn't, in my mind, been given enough attention, and that is the politics of the Cox family.

That family has demonstrated an organized contempt for government authority, and at least one member of that family has impressive credentials to present to any like-minded individuals. And Montana is well populated with such individuals. It is plausible that, without any theology being involved, Lori and Chad could have had a suitably remote dwelling rented by a family member from someone with similar political views; someone who under no circumstance would cooperate with law enforcement, especially after being told by that third party the rental was to hide the children to keep them from being kidnapped by the government.

Wouldn't The Children Starve or Leave?

Being good preppers, Lori and Chad would have ready access to all the necessary survivalist rations and material to enable Tylee and JJ to stay out of sight with minimal or no contact from people who might be followed by law enforcement. And even if Tylee was not 100% sold on the idea of being isolated, being a city mouse out in the middle of the woods without even a compass (much less any wilderness skills) would be almost as good as a fence in keeping her and JJ from walking out to civilization.

Why Two Trips?

If (really big if) this was the plan, then after visiting Yellowstone on the 8th of September, Alex and Lori would have taken Tylee to the dwelling in the woods to get it ready and accept deliveries of supplies. (She was, by her own admission, used to being left alone at Alex's place.) JJ would have stayed visible in Rexburg to disguise what was going on and then been driven up to the dwelling by Alex sometime between the 24th and the 30th of September.

As I said, this is all pure speculation and opinion on my part. I have no evidence other than an absence of refutation. But I believe that this scenario, or some variation of it, is more plausible than one in which Alex kills Tylee in Yellowstone and then he and Lori wait two weeks to murder JJ (and dispose of his body) when they are in the middle of planning the shooting of Brandon and the attempt on Tammy's life. Sadly, most of Chad and Lori and Alex's plans went awry; and if this one did it would be just as tragic as if the children were murdered.

I just feel like this is a bit too complicated for our two broke lovebirds. Get rid of the spouses, get rid of the kids, pocket some insurance money, move to Hawaii just seems simpler. Also it fits in with my total inability to see any of these people as actually being preppers.

 

[Drc40]

Wow, bravo! You are all busting her left, right and center. I don’t even need to think about what was said, just read your comments and the inconsistencies and unexplainable is laid right out. lol

Here’s the thing about many of her claims, they can be corroborated or disproved by evidence. Her story likely won’t stand scrutiny and could very well be used if any prosecution comes her way.

Cheers and carry on. Well done.