Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

[Knox]

Nate Eaton says that he only made it through one page of questions out of three when interviewing Melani in Ian.
Nate Eaton on Twitter

I'm sure the long rambling answers were quite frustrating for him.

 

[Diddian]

Correct. Not a dicky-bird from Lori.

IIRC, Lori's only spoken claim was that JJ was with a friend watching Frozen 2. In her statement to police, that friend, MG, claims both LVD and CD contacted her and asked her to lie to police by confirming that JJ was with her, but that she refused.

 

[Diddian]

I'm sure the long rambling answers were quite frustrating for him.

Frustrating for her attorneys too... so much so that one finally just interrupted her and laid out the points - 1, 2, and 3 - that he apparently wanted to be sure were concisely made so Nate would be sure to get them. (Chuckle.)

 

[Onsdag]

DBM - already answered

 

[Tortoise]

Is the pattern clear to everybody yet?

Every harm they perpetrate on their victims they twist into a claim it was their victims that perpetrated the harm on them.

Everything. I will make a list when I get the time. These are highly toxic people, very used to manipulating others, and laughing about it.

moo

 

[Deerrun]

What's sad and upsetting about all of these interviews is the main motivation seems to be to defend and protect Lori, so far as to say if something happened to kids Lori didnt do it. They know the kids are gone. They would rather try to help Lori than to get to the bottom of where the kids are. I feel like the the only explanation for this is they believe in Lori's beliefs. I have not heard anything that sounds like real sincere concern for the kids from the Cox's. Imo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Here's a copy and paste of part 1 from this article.

Nate Eaton, EastIdahoNews.com: The first thing I want to ask, Melani and Ian, is your reaction to the autopsy results which came out Friday concerning Melani’s uncle, Alex Cox. What did you think when you heard the news?

Melani Pawlowski It was relieving but we weren’t surprised. We knew that it would be natural causes. We had no reason to think anything otherwise. I think it was just a comfort like, finally, this part is over and it’s one more stepping stone to just keep revealing truth. And then the second half of the day, (Gilbert Police) say it’s still under investigation. It feels like every time we get a little bit of good news, there’s a little bit of drag too, but overall, just relief and comfort to be in the right direction.

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Eaton: You mentioned that police are still investigating and there is going to be people watching that still don’t believe the results or say there’s something more here. What do you say to them?

Melani: You post truth out there, and people have already made up their minds and decided. Ian made a bad joke saying, ‘Did they test for all the invisible poisons?’ People will still think whatever speculation or rumors or whatever they want to believe even when it’s right in front of their face.

When Tylee and JJ show up and are here again, I don’t know if people would even believe it. They still go on with their own…it’s still they’ve done something bad and a lot of people have already made up their minds.

We just want to come on and share what we do know and share truth and hopefully keep getting opportunities where more people will be open to that and be able to listen.

Eaton: Melani, Alex was your uncle and a lot of people have thrown questions out there as to why he died. Was this just a big coincidence? Did you think there might be something more here?

Melani: There was absolute shock when I got the phone call from Zulema Pastenes (Alex Cox’s wife), and she was telling me (he had died). I had spoken with Alex earlier that day, and he seemed OK, but I knew the week before he was having trouble. He was, overall, a pretty healthy guy but stubborn. He wouldn’t do regular checkups and was just was a tough guy.

I was going to bring him some of his stuff because he had moved down to be with Zulema, and he had said, “Let’s not meet up halfway. Let’s wait. I’m not feeling very good.” That was big for him to say that because he never would say that he wasn’t feeling good.

The week before, he said he had tightness in his chest and trouble breathing. He said he had bent down to get a water bottle and took the breath out of him. I was absolutely worried and was like, “You need to get to the doctor.” And he was like, “No, no, no, I’m fine.”

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So that morning, I called him and Ian was at work. He was somebody I could kind of just – you could tell him anything. He’s like a vault. I was just openly telling him about things in my new marriage, things that were challenging or things that were going really well, and he was just my best friend at that point. He shared some things that I just felt I needed to write them down when he started talking to me.

Eaton: Like what?

Melani: He said, “Melani, the most important thing in your marriage is to be loving, be supportive, and be patient.” And he kept repeating that and I was like – I need to remember that always. It was his last words to me, and I didn’t know that, but it was really just special like that. He just said, “Everything’s going to be fine, just keep moving forward, you’re going to have your kids back soon and everything’s going to work out. Just go on in faith.”

Later that evening, I got a call from Zulema, and I was excited. I started telling her about my day, and then it shifted. I kind of just went into shock for a little bit, and I fell to the floor. I just felt all the feelings of losing a close friend. I hadn’t been very close with Alex most of my life. I was closer with my aunts and even my other uncle.

Alex was a truck driver, and after starting to have challenges in my last marriage, you could just call him, and he always answered. He would just talk and let you talk to him. And I do talk a lot. And he would let me just vent, and he never would put somebody down or judge them. He would just say, “Here’s how you handle that situation.” Nobody could do any wrong in his eyes. He just was very positive and somebody that was so influential to be around when I’m going through the hardest thing and missing my four children.

Eaton: How is Zulema doing?

Melani: I love Zulema with all my heart. I feel like it’s been really hard. She hasn’t been able to really mourn and grieve the loss of her husband with all the accusations. She doesn’t really feel ready to come forward and share her story and I respect that. She’s still just trying to get through every day and missing her husband. But she’s doing OK.

Eaton: There has been some limited information that’s come out about each of you, and I’m wondering if you could tell us about yourselves – how you guys met, how you ended up in Idaho and then back in Arizona?

Ian Pawlowski: I grew up in Southern California and I got married in 2010. I moved to Idaho in 2011 with my ex-wife, Natalie, and we have two kids together. Right now they’re nine and seven – Max and Lily. They’re fantastic kids. I miss them a lot right now, and I would love to get them down here in Arizona.

I started school at BYU-Idaho. I never finished. Just work, school and being a dad was too much, and I just figured I’d work. On our ninth anniversary, Natalie asked for a divorce. That was in March 2019. We worked our way through and got it all wrapped up in July.

I decided to try to jump back into dating a little bit. It wasn’t really my goal to find a wife – I just wanted to find people to hang out with. At the same time, I had just gone through a really rough divorce, and it kind of tore me up. I’m trying to put my life back together and was maybe looking for a little bit of validation – just somebody to talk to who’s not going to judge me and push me away.

I downloaded some dating apps and found Melani on one of them. I asked her on a date that day. I don’t feel like I communicate well over text – I’m sarcastic a lot and don’t come across well in text sometimes. So I invited her out to dinner, and we went to MacKenzie River.

Eaton: What month was this?

Ian: This was November.

Eaton: Melani, you had moved to Rexburg?

Melani: Yeah, the first week of November I moved. We were across the street from each other but didn’t know it.

Ian: I don’t know how to describe it other than everything just kind of clicked with her. We’d had so many similar experiences with the way our divorces went and struggles, and we understood each other. I found no judgment with her, no preconceived notions – she just wanted to get to know me. We spent the next two days basically just talking constantly. It was just easy to click, and I didn’t have to try to do mental gymnastics to justify a second date.

Eaton: Then you got married shortly thereafter.

Ian: Correct. So one of the things that led to us getting married so quickly was our children. She had four kids, and one of the first things I put on my bio is that I’m a dad. I’ve got two kids I love with all my heart, and I want them to be a big part of our lives.

I still haven’t had the opportunity to meet her kids yet, and I can’t wait too. The first time we came to Arizona, I came down with my two children to have Thanksgiving with my family. Melani was talking about how she didn’t have anybody to go to Thanksgiving with, and so I invited her to come be with my family. It was kind of a spur-of-the-moment thing. She showed up, and my kids immediately fell in love with her. My daughter can be a little shy, a little standoffish, and just immediately was attached to Melani. She wanted to take her around and show her everything she’d been doing, play games with her and tell her everything that’s on her mind. Just to see Melani interact with my kids – it made me fall really hard, really fast for her because she’s just so sweet and good with them.

Melani: We got married Nov. 30. It was really fast. I was in this battle with my ex, and I didn’t have my kids with us, but we both pray about decisions together, and we felt that it was right. A Vegas wedding wasn’t dreamy or anything, but our goal was to be sealed in the temple one day. So we said, “Let’s do this when we have Max and Lily, and then we have Braxton, Brighton, Blake and Brees too, let’s all get together on that special day where we can be together.”

Eaton: Did you guys have a joint wedding with Alex and Zulema, or was that separate?

Melani: Alex and Zulema had been dating for several months, and Alex was very ready to marry Zulema. She was waiting until she got an answer. She knew she was supposed to be with Alex but was going to wait until it felt like the right time.

They had talked about wanting to get married in Jackson or Las Vegas, and it just so happened when they picked their date, they had more of a plan than Ian and I did. The coincidence of us picking the day right after them wasn’t planned or anything – it was just what happened. We made the decision in Arizona during Thanksgiving and said, “Let’s do it.” And while we’re there, we need a witness, and Alex and Zulema are there. This wasn’t our big wedding day – just the beginning of our lives together, and then we’ll have that special moment when we’re all together as a family.

Eaton: So they got married the day before you guys did?

Melani: We got married on the 30th, and I think they got married on the 29th.

Eaton: Was it just an intimate ceremony for the both of you?

Melani: For Ian and I, we had two or three hours. We got a dress and a tux and got the kids all dressed up and their hair done. I think the Lucky Little Wedding Chapel is where we picked and it was a small room. It was very intimate and quick – not anything crazy or anything, but it was special to us. Alex and Zulema were our witnesses, and it was just planned last second. We didn’t have time to invite a lot of people. It was just a on-a-whim decision and (we) felt like it’s what we should do.

Eaton: Melani, were you born and raised in Arizona?

Melani: I was born in Utah, but I lived in Phoenix as a baby and then lived in California for a while. And then Seattle is where I spent a lot of time growing up.

Eaton: Your mother unfortunately passed away when you were young.

Melani: My mom got really sick a couple years after having me. She almost died having me because she had a deep vein thrombosis blood clot. And the Cox side doesn’t really have great genes. My grandpa’s had cancer and blood clots, and initially my grandfather was told by the police that Alex – they thought a lung clot was the reason for his death initially. So that’s what we thought this whole time.

I think my parents had a rough time when my mom got really sick with type 1 diabetes and gastroparesis. She didn’t have the ability to absorb nutrients and was in and out of doctors and hospitals, and I think it was hard on my dad. I know there was some infidelity on his part, and they tried to work through things, and they just couldn’t make it work.

I spent a lot of time in the Cox home. Barry and Janis, my grandparents, lived in California, and I lived with them for a while. My mom was sick and I remember my dad traveling a lot for his job, and my mom finally felt like she was healthy enough when we moved to Seattle, and my dad got a job there. It was just me, my mom and dad. My mom couldn’t have any more kids.

When I was 6, I can remember the night my dad took me and said, “We’re going to go get gas,” and we never came back. We left my mom there, and he turned the power off. He took all her credit cards, her planner and just left her there. She was really sick to the point she couldn’t really take care of herself. We hid out in a hotel for a couple months, and that started a nasty custody battle between them.

I remember just being quiet and not really understanding what was going on. I just remember not seeing my mom a lot, but she fought as much as she could. I grew up with my dad and then later my stepmom when my dad got remarried. I heard all manner of things about the Coxes, but my dad kind of cut off communication with them.

My mom later passed away when I was 9. Lori was the one that called and told me the news. She said, “Your mom’s in a coma and she’s probably not going to make it.” I remember that phone call and I’ve always loved and trusted. Lori. She’s always been somebody that has so much unconditional love and no judgment, no drama, and I admire her so much. I don’t think I would have wanted to have that phone call by anybody else to have to give me that news.

I remember flying up with my dad, who took me to see my mom last time in hospice. She passed, and my dad didn’t let me talk or see any of that side of the family. I didn’t know why other than he was saying all sorts of things about them.

Finally, when I was 15, I found my uncle Adam (a radio DJ). I think I Googled him on the computers in high school, and I found him, and he was one of my favorite, favorite people in my life. I remember growing up and connecting all the ties from age 9 to 15. For all those years, they didn’t have me, and they tried sending packages, and my dad would return them. I never understood why I just felt something off in my heart, but I have
no judgment or resentment on why my dad did the things he did. I wish to this day he would just say it for what it is and be real about it because that’s how we grow.

Eaton: So did Lori somewhat raise you after your mother passed?

Melani: Mainly my Grandma Janis. Lori was young and busy with her life, but she would take me and go do fun things. Also my aunt Summer and my uncle Adam. I wasn’t super close with Alex. … But they were so important in my life. I didn’t know that my dad had been telling everybody, “Hey, your mom died of anorexia,” and she was mentally ill and basically made himself look like a hero.

I have all of her medical records and all the court documents. It’s hard seeing the same patterns that happened to my mom now happening in my life where my kids are taken away from me wrongfully and things are said about me that aren’t true – but my kids know who I am. My own father is helping my ex-husband right now, and they’ve had my kids at their house and don’t tell me. I have bullying text messages from my dad, and that’s upsetting. I feel like you should love your kid no matter what. If all these false claims were true – if I was crazy or in a cult or done something horrible – shouldn’t they just reclaim me with kindness as their daughter and love me anyway?

It’s absolutely heartbreaking that I don’t have a good relationship (with them) right now where I feel like I can keep them close in my life. I’m kind of just loving them from a distance and letting everything play out. I don’t judge anyone for all the things they’re scared of or confused about. This case is heavy, and it’s unlike anything – I never thought this would be our lives. It’s unreal.

Eaton: There have been reports that Lori may be somehow tied to your mother’s death – that she may have been the first victim. Can you address that?

Melani: She died of natural causes. It’s on her death certificate. She had type 1 diabetes and gastroparesis. She went to every type of doctor, and I think she got tested for everything. It was so clear she was far from anorexic.

My dad ran with that story, and it’s hurtful and untrue, and she’s not here to tell that truth. Reading through court documents, there’s so many things he could have said because we’re real and open about our family and we make mistakes. It was mostly just lies about everything. That’s similar to what’s happening in my family court case – the same pattern. I think we go through these things to learn experience and seeing that same exact thing happened now in my life, it’s too ironic it’s the exact same patterns.

EastIdahoNews.com will post the rest of the interview Monday including questions about JJ and Tylee, Lori and Chad, the Pawlowski’s religious beliefs and why they are speaking out now.

soooo valuable.... such important context.........

 

[Gigi3]

What's sad and upsetting about all of these interviews is the main motivation seems to be to defend and protect Lori, so far as to say if something happened to kids Lori didnt do it. They know the kids are gone. They would rather try to help Lori than to get to the bottom of where the kids are. I feel like the the only explanation for this is they believe in Lori's beliefs. I have not heard anything that sounds like real sincere concern for the kids from the Cox's. Imo

And another thing that’s sad or pitiful(IMO) is that MP and IP have both admitted that this is hurting their own custody battles! Excuse me, but NO way in hell would I ever let someone come between me and my children. This speaks volumes to me!

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Is the pattern clear to everybody yet?

Every harm they perpetrate on their victims they twist into a claim it was their victims that perpetrated the harm on them.

Everything. I will make a list when I get the time. These are highly toxic people, very used to manipulating others, and laughing about it.

moo

They claim “everyone” is out to get them. But that’s an awful lot of coincidence to have that many people experiencing the same situations. And imo the states of Idaho, Utah, and Arizona have other things they’re concerned with than hunting people down and taking someone’s kids.

 

[KonaHonu]

Still catching up-- I will see if I can find that site and search for them LOL ( hope hubby doesn't catch me and start wondering ?? LMAO)

EDIT- After downloading the app it wanted to much personal info and I did not want to share all that so I deleted the app.
I will and have signed up for a lot of things to help out a case but I draw a line as to how much personal info to give out randomly, especially to a dating site YIKES ** LOL

You don't have to tell the truth!

 

[KonaHonu]

Yes 35k altogether when he was away on a business trip. She transfered it to an account he did not have access too. Then she cancelled his plane ticket and stole some Reward points. At the same time she went to the airport with spare keys and stole his truck too. Source is the timeline in post 1 and it was around Jan/Feb 2019 timeframe. That month he could not meet payroll costs. I wonder if that was why he had a business loan that has been listed in his probate but that bit is MOO.

The business loan was taken out in 2016.

 

[KonaHonu]

I don't know the name of the African American attorney in pinstripe suit speaking above. The man with the plaid tie on is Robert Jarvis. He wore another plaid tie in the EIN interview. The man with the pink tie in photo below is Garrett Smith:

See their photos at these links:
https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/85201-az-garrett-smith-411587.html
Mesa AZ Attorney Robert P. Jarvis | Criminal Justice Attorney

Both of these are criminal attorneys. I think Melani has a family law attorney too, possibly the man in the pinstripe suit?

Smith has an interesting alert on his profile linked above. MOO.

Image is from Part 3:

The discipline in 2017 was very minor, short suspension (a few days) and had to ay $1200. It was because he dropped the ball not because he did anything dishonest.

 

[Nurse Gen]

He was one of the only 50 dark translated beings in the world.

Thanks!!

ETA the link
Zombies and Cain’s dark 50: Court documents offer a look at what those close to Lori Vallow have to say

"The writings attributed to Pawlowki claim there are 50 dark translated beings in the world; two of them just happen to be Rexburg police detectives investigating Vallow and her fifth husband Chad Daybell"

 

[FindingJoLee]

It looks like Melani and Ian gave another interview.

Over the weekend -- we recorded a long interview with Lori Vallow's niece Melani and her husband Ian.
Both are caught up in the missing kids case -- and we asked them about everything from where the kids are to spying for the FBI to what calling JJ and Tylee "zombies" might mean to why Melani thinks Lori is protecting the children.
Stay tuned -- there will be a lot to share on
12 News

Erica Stapleton
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They are certainly making the rounds.

For some reasons.

 

[ReadySet]

Well, you know what they say:
If someone doesn't say something, you can't say it for them.

Correct. Not a dicky-bird from Lori.

 

[KonaHonu]

From the latest inverview lawyer Smith lays out the pillars of Lori's defense for this media trial:

1. They don’t think they’ve ever seen anything in Lori’s life that would give them any evidence that she could harm her children.

2. Lori had a basis and a belief that she needed to take steps to protect her kids.

3. They had experienced in Lori’s life this notion that she has a substantial distrust of the system.

I can't judge the first but many old friends have said she was a great mother until 2018-ish
The third I think is true based on prior custody battle and the tax issues.

Number 2 is about threats. I could be convinced that KW's texts might have been perceived as threats. In early October the shot at Brandon and subsequent events could have been perceived as a threat. But we need a threat in late August to justify the move and probably an escalation after that to convince me she put them in hiding.

 

[JujuColumbo]

This posting is an effort to make sense out of some things that have been confusing me for a long time by constructing an admittedly highly speculative narrative. It draws extensively on information gathered outside the TOS boundary and is accordingly coy about certain names and descriptions. Please respect the TOS in any followup comments.

What Was The Plan?

OK, let's put ourselves in the shoes of Chad, Lori, and Alex up in Rexburg in early September. They still need a big score. We don't know why, but there are signs of some Grand Plan that requires upwards of a million dollars to carry out. They tried and failed to get this from killing Charles and so they have decided to murder Brandon and Tammy for their respective insurance payouts.

What About The Kids?

There's a problem: these actions will probably result in contact from the authorities and Tylee and/or JJ might break down under interrogation and spill the beans about the Chandler shooting. So the two children have to be isolated from the authorities.

The simplest solution, as noted here time and time again, is to just murder the children and bury the bodies in Yellowstone National Park. But maybe that is unacceptable, for instance by causing schisms in whatever larger group is involved in the Grand Plan. So for sake of argument let's say the problem reduces to one of hiding JJ and Tylee from the authorities for several months until the Grand Plan can be put in place. But making a pair of kids truly disappear off the face of the earth for a limited time in today's society is no easy task.

Does Being in Rexburg Help?

But by being based in Rexburg Chad and Lori had an option denied to most of us.

North of Yellowstone is an area of Montana that is very much a wilderness. If you put together zip code 59027 and the Western third of zip 59030 you get about 750 square miles with a population density (outside the two towns in the area) less than one person per square mile. Fly over the area with Google Earth and you'll see woods and clearcut fields crisscrossed with a maze of dirt roads and jeep trails and sprinkled lightly with individual houses and small compounds, some left over from a now-diminished New Age religious group that believed in building bomb shelters in preparation for nuclear war. A lot of empty dwelling places are listed for rent, and even more are probably available if you know who to ask.

Lori and Chad would then have to rent a cabin, or RV, or doublewide out on the end of a Jeep trail without leaving an evidentiary trail.

Could The Cox Family Help?

Here we enter an area that hasn't, in my mind, been given enough attention, and that is the politics of the Cox family.

That family has demonstrated an organized contempt for government authority, and at least one member of that family has impressive credentials to present to any like-minded individuals. And Montana is well populated with such individuals. It is plausible that, without any theology being involved, Lori and Chad could have had a suitably remote dwelling rented by a family member from someone with similar political views; someone who under no circumstance would cooperate with law enforcement, especially after being told by that third party the rental was to hide the children to keep them from being kidnapped by the government.

Wouldn't The Children Starve or Leave?

Being good preppers, Lori and Chad would have ready access to all the necessary survivalist rations and material to enable Tylee and JJ to stay out of sight with minimal or no contact from people who might be followed by law enforcement. And even if Tylee was not 100% sold on the idea of being isolated, being a city mouse out in the middle of the woods without even a compass (much less any wilderness skills) would be almost as good as a fence in keeping her and JJ from walking out to civilization.

Why Two Trips?

If (really big if) this was the plan, then after visiting Yellowstone on the 8th of September, Alex and Lori would have taken Tylee to the dwelling in the woods to get it ready and accept deliveries of supplies. (She was, by her own admission, used to being left alone at Alex's place.) JJ would have stayed visible in Rexburg to disguise what was going on and then been driven up to the dwelling by Alex sometime between the 24th and the 30th of September.

As I said, this is all pure speculation and opinion on my part. I have no evidence other than an absence of refutation. But I believe that this scenario, or some variation of it, is more plausible than one in which Alex kills Tylee in Yellowstone and then he and Lori wait two weeks to murder JJ (and dispose of his body) when they are in the middle of planning the shooting of Brandon and the attempt on Tammy's life. Sadly, most of Chad and Lori and Alex's plans went awry; and if this one did it would be just as tragic as if the children were murdered.

The only issue I speculate as impossible is leaving Tylee alone...she was rather independent minded and argued with Lori, she wouldn’t IMO stay there alone, it would totally be against her will.. Someone would have to be there to keep her hidden there...

 

[SteelCity91]

Just some eye rolling and irritating comments Melani said in the interview…

Melani: Those kids love their mom, and they don’t want to be with Kay. JJ’s never wanted to be with Kay, and I wish we could see the times Kay’s actually come to try to be in JJ’s life.


Melani: anytime I would go over, I’d say, “Where’s Tylee?” and it was like she was out with friends. Lori would say, “We’re doing everything we can to protect the kids from Kay. Kay’s causing a lot of trouble right now,” and I didn’t really get into too much of their own custody deal.


Eaton: Melani, why can’t you ask her where the kids are?
Melani: She’s in jail, and everything’s been recorded. It sounds like her conversations even with her own lawyer have been recorded and then given to Detective Ball and the prosecutor. I feel like that’s a huge concern.

Wow.. wonder where we heard that one from??


Melani: I think the bigger question is why does Lori feel the need to protect her kids? And from who? From what? And until we know that question, she probably will not tell any of us that, and she’s willing to sit in jail over keeping quiet and not sharing that information.


Melani: But the most disappointing thing was when we had a family custody hearing finally for the Boudreaux case with my children, Brandon didn’t show up. I don’t know where he was. And later on, seeing him on TV a few days later in the front row at Lori’s hearing, waiting to see if they can keep her in jail longer and not reduce her bail, that’s upsetting. Where were my kids during then and why is he leaving them? And why are they not the focus of his life?

Wait didn’t she skip out on her custody hearing too?? Doesn’t seem like she wanted to fight for her kids at the time.

 

[Gigi3]

From the latest inverview lawyer Smith lays out the pillars of Lori's defense for this media trial:

1. They don’t think they’ve ever seen anything in Lori’s life that would give them any evidence that she could harm her children.

2. Lori had a basis and a belief that she needed to take steps to protect her kids.

3. They had experienced in Lori’s life this notion that she has a substantial distrust of the system.

I can't judge the first but many old friends have said she was a great mother until 2018-ish
The third I think is true based on prior custody battle and the tax issues.

Number 2 is about threats. I could be convinced that KW's texts might have been perceived as threats. In early October the shot at Brandon and subsequent events could have been perceived as a threat. But we need a threat in late August to justify the move and probably an escalation after that to convince me she put them in hiding.

That’s exactly what I think this media blitz is all about. Setting up for Lori’s defense, however , this could ultimately shoot them in the foot because the prosecution will be ready.

I just find it ironic that Lori fled with the kids due to threats to all places...Rexburg! The one place where her future husband resides. C’mon, they are gonna have to give me some really good proof besides some “mean” comments from Kay! MOO

 

[Nurse Gen]

One more from @tresir2012 excellent summary of Part 2 with Nate

"I’ve always seen that in her since I was a teenager, and she flew me out to go nanny for Tylee and JJ"

Melani was born in 1989.

Melani Pawlowski, Lori Vallow’s Niece: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

JJ was born in 2012 when Melani was 23
Disappearance of Tylee Ryan and J. J. Vallow - Wikipedia