Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

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He could have done without adding his cousin made meth in a garage if he wanted the situation to look better jmo

No kidding, that was bizarre. 'If you think the Cox family is wild, with their shootings and murdering people and children going missing....wait til you hear about my distant cousin who made meth in his garage.'
 
  • #802
DBM - duplicate post
 
  • #803
MP "I had a little sister up there going to school, a brother that lived a couple hours away"
Wait, what? She said in the first interview that she's an only child and her mother was unable to have more children after MPs birth

I'm not sure this is what is going on here, but IIRC sometimes LDS members will refer to other members of their faith to whom they are close as sister and brother.
 
  • #804
I'm not sure this is what is going on here, but IIRC sometimes LDS members will refer to other members of their faith to whom they are close as sister and brother.
I went back to listen, sounds like actual family. Jmo
 
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Does anyone else remember these text messages shared by Justin Lum back in March? Apparently they are texts from Ian to his ex Natalie and discuss Melani’s knowledge about the attempt to murder Brandon. Very interesting, to say the least, after hearing her in the three-art video series by EastIdahoNews recently. (Sorry in advance - the originals were not great quality)
 

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  • #806
I'm not sure this is what is going on here, but IIRC sometimes LDS members will refer to other members of their faith to whom they are close as sister and brother.
I agree that LDS use "Sister" and "Brother"--but not in this context.

I would call someone "Sister Jones" when speaking to her, refer to her when talking to someone else as "Sister Jones" and if she went away to school she'd be "Sister Jones from my ward" or "a sister from my ward."

MP's statement implies (to me, anyway) actual family members.
 
  • #807
I know IP claims to met have met MP through a dating app. But when he says “he has always known who she is”, it sounds like he knew her longer than the time frame they are giving people. Either IP and MP don’t know the correct way to use “always” or the timelines they give aren’t correct. All jmo
 
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I had somehow missed this! I didn’t know she had more siblings. Could they possibly be step siblings?
I think they might be her half-siblings. That's just a guess.
 
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I know IP claims to met have met MP through a dating app. But when he says “he has always known who she is”, it sounds like he knew her longer than the time frame they are giving people. Either IP and MP don’t know the correct way to use “always” or they timelines they give aren’t correct. All jmo

I've seen a few uses of the word "always" to mean "since a and b first met" in these interviews. It's almost like it's one of the talking points, meant to give a sense that the timeline is much longer than it actually is. ' I've always loved her' = 'I've loved her since meeting her four weeks ago.'
 
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MP "I had a little sister up there going to school, a brother that lived a couple hours away"
Wait, what? She said in the first interview that she's an only child and her mother was unable to have more children after MPs birth


Good catch. I hope LE is reading here on all the slip ups WS finds.
 
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Does anyone else remember these text messages shared by Justin Lum back in March? Apparently they are texts from Ian to his ex Natalie and discuss Melani’s knowledge about the attempt to murder Brandon. Very interesting, to say the least, after hearing her in the three-art video series by EastIdahoNews recently. (Sorry in advance - the originals were not great quality)
Did not see this in Justin Lum's tweets - can't find it, could you please provide the link? I find it strange that on 2nd screenshot the name of Natalie is spelled wrong (should be PaWlowski AFAIK?).
 
  • #812
Justin said. in regards to that misspelled name, that this was taken from Brandon’s phone on 12//8 and that he’s updated the contact name to the correct spelling since.
Link to his photo/post on his FB page Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
 
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Does anyone else remember these text messages shared by Justin Lum back in March? Apparently they are texts from Ian to his ex Natalie and discuss Melani’s knowledge about the attempt to murder Brandon. Very interesting, to say the least, after hearing her in the three-art video series by EastIdahoNews recently. (Sorry in advance - the originals were not great quality)
Source: Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Yes, let's talk about those. Clearly they are authentic (Ian confirmed it in the latest interview). In their attempt at damage control Melani and Ian are trying to classify some of the information from his document as rumors and attribute it to unreliable sources.

In the first message he writes about the shooting at Brandon: "They made the attempt, failed and told her about it after the fact". There is no doubt that Ian got this from Melani. She was told about the attempt by the uncles (Lori/Chad/Alex), not a third party. They basically confessed to their involvement in the attack on Brandon. How can Melani now treat it as rumor? Who is stupid enough to confess to a crime they haven't committed?

Ian also says that "she had been told that her two middle children are dead" and that it would make a dent in her trust in her uncles if she could see her kids. He implies it was the uncles who told her that her kids were dead. This is how Chad and the gang roll. Melani (and Ian) can't put a spin on this part either.

In the second message he says "Her uncles have her so wrapped up. They want her to move to Ammon." Again, no room for misunderstanding who the source is here and who "they" are.
 
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Does anyone else remember these text messages shared by Justin Lum back in March? Apparently they are texts from Ian to his ex Natalie and discuss Melani’s knowledge about the attempt to murder Brandon. Very interesting, to say the least, after hearing her in the three-art video series by EastIdahoNews recently. (Sorry in advance - the originals were not great quality)

I remember reading those. Interesting, indeed. Can you please edit your post to add a link to Justin's fb where he posts Ian's texts? I'm not able to find it right now, but I know Justin posted it. Screenshots without any links could end up being removed by the mods here, just an FYI, and I wouldn't want your post to disappear. ;)

ETA: Oh, I just I saw you linked it in another post: Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

(Hopefully they will allow your previous post to stay :cool: ).
 
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Does anyone else remember these text messages shared by Justin Lum back in March? Apparently they are texts from Ian to his ex Natalie and discuss Melani’s knowledge about the attempt to murder Brandon. Very interesting, to say the least, after hearing her in the three-art video series by EastIdahoNews recently. (Sorry in advance - the originals were not great quality)


In the latest interview with Melani and Ian, When ian is talking about listening in for the FBI ( from 18:34 in the video below) he say's " as i'm listing in i realised there was nothing going on with "her" shes fine ( reffering to melani) The way he put emphasis on the word "her" to me sounded like he was saying from all the eves dropping he was doing there was nothing going on with her but there was something going on with "them". To me it seems like ian knows Chad,lori,alex etc are up to no good and he's trying to convince himself melani was unaware of it all, She most likley told him she didn't know about the shooting until after which would make his texts make sense to natalie.

 
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Agreed. And I feel bad for the families who have to deal with this. Like IP’s ex wife and children, MP’s dad, CD’s children, etc. What a nightmare for all of them.
I’m concerned that IP’s wife and children were going to be at risk if he had not been exposed. His ploy to make it appear he was innocent in this and didn’t know M better doesn’t sit well with me. He lived across the street from the gang. I’m sure if he didn’t know Chads writings before, he knew all about them by the time he married M.

Loris children and husband were disposable to Chad.
And MPs dad and ex were disposable to her.

I’m hoping The DA can bring charges soon.

I'm also concerned that both Alex and Tammy’s deaths were made to look like natural causes, blood clots and all.
 
  • #817
Imo it’s a gross overstretch. Chad’s teaching sound like a mix between dungeons and dragons, mythology, family history, and reincarnation. She definitely knows more than she wants others to believe. All jmo
And Chaddy didn’t want Tammy playing a computer game.
 
  • #818
I just feel like this is a bit too complicated for our two broke lovebirds. Get rid of the spouses, get rid of the kids, pocket some insurance money, move to Hawaii just seems simpler. Also it fits in with my total inability to see any of these people as actually being preppers.
I agree - this is way too much planning and work for these two selfish liars.
 
  • #819
What school did Tylee attend? I thought Tylee had graduated high school or got her ged (not sure on the link here, so correct me if I’m wrong). I think I saw they checked byui and couldn’t find a record. Not sure on where I saw that though. I know there’s two beauty schools, a massage therapy school, and a technical college nearby. Could it have been one of those? Is this another story to throw more doubt in the mix? All jmo
I think she went to Perry High School mentioned in an Instagram post IIRC.

Also in this MSM post.

Lori Vallow's family and friends in Gilbert say she was a great mom
 
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As usual, there's something that's not adding up.

About Ian's 'zombie' document. And the small matter of Detectives Hope and Hermosillo being identified in it as dark translated humans.

These detectives were not in Chad's "family history" email to Lori of October 2018.

If they were in the document Charles had early on in 2019, which Melani would like to pin on him, it would be quite amazing of Charles to have predicted that Hermosillo would come knocking on Melani's door in November asking who lives in Lori's apartment.

(Nate Eaton interview part 2) :

Eaton: We can transition with that into everything you allegedly told Ian and what he wrote down. Ian, can you explain the background about how this document came to be?

[...]

Melani: I think it’s important to understand where some of these things come from. Initially, when Charles filed for divorce with Lori, he brought a document over to my home with me and Brandon. We were still married, and everything seemed OK.

Charles had never said anything ill about Lori ever. He just thought the world of her and worshipped her. As soon as she just started asking questions, he just flipped. He came over to our house and said, “Lori is crazy.” He showed us this document, and that’s the first time I saw this. It said something about Tylee being dark and JJ being light, and I’m trying to process all this.

It’s these patterns of narcissism where everything’s fine until you start asking questions. I did see the same exact pattern happen with my ex-husband. Everything was fine, and he thought the world of me until I asked some questions he was uncomfortable answering.


(Same interview part 2) :
Eaton: When did you guys find out there was an investigation and JJ and Tylee were missing?

Melani: I’m foggy on this date but (Rexburg Police) Detective Hermosillo and another gentleman had come to my door while I was moving my stuff in so it had to have been early in November – I’d guess the second week in November.

The detective said, “Do you know who lives next door?” And I said, “Yes, I think Alex’s name was on the lease, so sometimes my uncle’s over there, sometimes my aunt goes over there,” and I didn’t know what that was about. That was it. That was my first encounter with Rexburg Police.

Eaton: And that’s when they said the kids are missing?

Melani: No, no.

Goodness knows what she means when she said Lori goes over there. It was Lori's home and she had rooms all set up for JJ and Tylee! Sounds to me like she was being deliberately evasive with police. Melani had even been out to stay with Lori there before she moved to Rexburg - while the children were missing. Alex had his own apartment.


This is also in our timeline:

Mid Nov 2019 – Chad and Lori return to Rexburg after their Kauai honeymoon and live together in the townhouse Lori rented in Sept 2019 (Dateline).

Abt 19 Nov 2019
– About a week before conducting a welfare check on JJ and Tylee, a police officer came to SB’s door asking questions about Lori and her children. SB is the neighbor who had helped Lori move into her Rexburg townhouse with the children in Sept 2019 (Fox 13 Salt Lake City).

So the detective apparently didn't ask Melani about the children, and Melani never mentioned them either, even though she only thought they were out with friends, nannies, at therapy and at school, or was it that she thought they were being kept safe from people trying to harm them?

More double-speak - She became afraid when Lori's friend contacted her, and dumped on Ian, but she reassured the FBI that Lori was keeping them safe from threats:

(Nate eaton interview Part 3) :
Melani: My first meeting with FBI, I shared a lot of these things I’m sharing with you, Nate, and they were like, “OK, this isn’t where we thought this was going at all.” We haven’t heard this other side of why Lori would be doing what she’s doing and why she does not feel safe to say where her kids are and why she needs to protect them.


Back to the zombie document. I'm fairly confident that Hermosillo had to have been added to it after his visit to Melani in the second week of November. So either Melani was taking over Chad's role, identifying light and dark spirits in their midst, or, as I suspect, Chad wrote it after Hermosillo's visit and before Chad ran away on 27th Nov. Probably around the time Ian met Chad for the first and only time, after the 20th when he first took Melani on a date, and they told him he would be taking the reins concerning care of Melani, when Ian thought they were "different" and Melani explained "porting". Excuse me while I pinch myself.

So Melani has not said that Chad gave her the document, or gave her the information which she then whispered in Ian's ear on their wedding night. Hmm. Our new truth-teller doesn't seem able to mention who the source of the zombie information is, even in the face of the emails from Chad that have been uncovered, and seems to want us to conflate the original 'family history' document with Ian's very different 'Hermosillo/Hope' docucument, the one 'narcissistic' Charles Vallow, what? - created? Is that what she's inferring?


MOO

this is my favorite

Charles had never said anything ill about Lori ever. He just thought the world of her and worshipped her. As soon as she just started asking questions, he just flipped. He came over to our house and said, “Lori is crazy.” He showed us this document, and that’s the first time I saw this. It said something about Tylee being dark and JJ being light, and I’m trying to process all this.

It’s these patterns of narcissism where everything’s fine until you start asking questions. I did see the same exact pattern happen with my ex-husband. Everything was fine, and he thought the world of me until I asked some questions he was uncomfortable answering.


— what questions did you ask Brandon that ‘he was uncomfortable answering’?

It’s not Brandon who has been accused of weird beliefs. I guess she means hiding his weird 🤬🤬🤬🤬 fetish and homosexuality :rolleyes::rolleyes:; except topically it’s a horrible answer; and patently false because she’s absolutely trying to make this humongously vague information fill too many roles, and be all things to all inferrers.

you also make an excellent point about “Lori running off to the mystery apartment all the time”. Does Melani want us to believe that Lori was hiding the kids there? Because to me, this sounds more like ‘sneaking off for conspiratorial talks with Alex that she doesn’t want Melani to overhear’, which I should think is the type of thing that would already be a trigger for Melani considering her personal history.

except again, Melani can’t say anything suggesting that Alex and Lori were conspirators, because that lands too close to the truth.

As far as I have been able to determine.... All families of the POIs and people, husbands etc around them have been Mormon for generations. The only difference is all of Lori's four husbands. I believe that Charles is the only one who converted though. But somewhere in back threads, someone "in the know", said he was actually quite devout.

that was Kay, who said it about Charles. He was ‘all in’, and more of a stickler than Lori.
 
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