Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

[StarrChance]

The way she nonchalantly tries to explain the document found on ians computer as ian just jotting down rumours " other people briefly told her" The document started out like an extremely detailed and specific manual. its not even possible to remember all of those things in such detail from a conversation, or even to relay all of those details to somebody in such specific detail. She must have had some kind of document of her own that she got from chad or lori with all the details that she was showing or gave a copy to ian imo.

Link to the rest of those document

READ: Exhibit from Brandon Boudreaux's court filing | East Idaho News

So Melani had “dreams” and feared for the lives of two of her children? Whoa these people have to be stopped!

 

[KonaHonu]

dbm

 

[KonaHonu]

I know we don't need convincing that it was suspicious that Melani did not question not seeing the kids, but if you are the good mom she says Lori is, they are still part of your life, i.e., conversations about Tylee starting school, JJ's new class, what they are wanting for Christmas, getting new doctors for them, uniforms for school, and if she is running around with them there is the occasion she needs somebody to pick someone up here or there. Complaining about how much college books are...Tylee would need a laptop for school and I don't remember hearing she had one. Just all the minutiae that consumes a "good" mom's day that we cannot "hide."

Agree 100%

But I'm starting to question how much Melani and Lori were actually together. Melani moved in on Nov 1. Lori got married in Hawaii on Nov 5 meaning she probably left Rexburg by the 3rd or so. Our timeline says she came back "mid November. So if that is the 15th (only a 10 day honeymoon/time for Chad to work on his books) Melanie started hooking up with IP on the 20th and they must have spent an awful lot of time together to be going to his parents in another state for Thankgiving 7 days later. So rather than the month of interaction without seeing the kids, it seems more like 6 days max to me, Nov 2, 3, 16, 17, 18, 19.

 

[KonaHonu]

I can't get over how the police took almost a year to shrug their shoulders and act. Have you ever heard of LE waiting such precious time to decide when to question a parent about her children?

LE did not wait a year The kids were seen happy and smiling on September 8/23, 2019 and the police started checking on them by early November, just over a month. The welfare check was after about 2 months. Yes, that seems long based on what we know now but we live in a free country where the cops thankfully need an extremely good reason approved by a judge to bother people or invade their privacy with a search.

That may be frustrating in this case but I think it is far, far preferable to the situation in much of the world where a cop that has a hunch or just has it in for you can bust down your door and make a search just to fish.

 

[April_Dawn99]

So Melani claims. For all we know, CV never talked to Melani at all, and this is just her way of CYA.

From what we know is that the dark/light papers were leaked by the media, I was under the assumption that these documents would have been found on CD computer, then sent to LVD via CV's computer. From what I recall, there was never any clarification of where these documents had originated from (of course I might have missed this).

We only have Melani's word that CV found out about these papers, because it fits the narrative of all the crazy stuff that LVD was saying to Charles. For all we know, CV never found or saw these papers. This is a straight up smear campaign against Charles, and by extension Kay (and brothers). Since Kay has already confirmed that CV shared with her the threats LVD had made to him.

What'll be interesting, is how they will spin doctor this on how they actually got on CD's computer in the first place? How are they going to explain that away? Evil spirits? BB snuck into CD house and planted them? They had a hacker make it look like it was CD computer?

MOO

In her last video, MP says: "Initially, Charles Vallow had brought over some of these documents that are now being surfaced, this is last — earlier in 2019 before he passed away. He would bring these documents over to my house — how he found these things and it was alarming, I didn’t know how to explain some of these things, stats if you will. Things about Tylee and JJ." (from the transcript). So if that's true, CV tried to contact and talk to her about that before July 2019.

 

[indicolite22]

In her last video, MP says: "Initially, Charles Vallow had brought over some of these documents that are now being surfaced, this is last — earlier in 2019 before he passed away. He would bring these documents over to my house — how he found these things and it was alarming, I didn’t know how to explain some of these things, stats if you will. Things about Tylee and JJ." (from the transcript). So if that's true, CV tried to contact and talk to her about that before July 2019.

I think Charles confided in Brandon and at that time Melani and Brandon were still together, so they didn't suspect that Melani was involved. IIRC, Summer and Janis also mentioned that Charles was complaining to family about Lori's behavior (and possibly sent documents?), but Lori probably twisted it and made counter-accusations which made the family side with her.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I agree. You don't just make this stuff up. This is Melani CYA mode.

I have a very good imagination, and on my best days, I couldn't even compete with any of the insanity found in this document. How stupid does Melani think people are?

Does she think they are gullible enough, to actually believe that this is just her "imagination running wild", and that IP was just documenting this to protect her? ROFLMAO

Well she just might believe that, since I think that is exactly what happened to her.

See if any of this sounds familiar, in regards to Melani:
-Extreme negative views toward the parent, including denying past positive experiences, and lack of investment or interest in improving the relationship.
- Frivolous or absurd reasons for hurt and anger with the parent.
- Seeing one parent as all good and the other as all bad.

I believe she was brainwashed by the Cox's in my opinion, and went under a form of Parental Alienation. Here's a good article that explains it in better detail: Parental Alienation: Programming and Brainwashing - Shrink4Men

I find it disturbing, that the Cox's and MP, seem to mimic each other, and seem to use the same terminology and phrases. I think that they honestly believe that they can dupe everyone into believing whatever they want them to believe, they've been doing it their whole lives.

Fortunately, there are a lot of us that see through their smoke and mirrors.

MOO

So Melani had “dreams” and feared for the lives of two of her children? Whoa these people have to be stopped!

I think the ‘fears’ and ‘imagination running wild’. has been dragged in solely because Melani is solely referring to the ‘dreams fearing for the lives of her children’; which I think we all recall sounding exactly like Melani had received visions to off said children. Maybe her lawyers apprised her, as I recall being the only person I saw willing to put it in the universe in writing (I’m not on Facebook) that it sounded specifically like Melani was coming for her oldest daughter to do her harm; and nothing else indicates that Melani has this kind of good sense capacity; so if it doesn’t come from a lawyer I should think she would have to have read it somewhere to get the idea, IMO.

 

[LDS social scientist]

It is like one big contiuum with mainstream and the various offshoots, imo.

What I feel is "different" about the Mormon religion than say other Christian religions is that there is "progression", not just liturgy to follow, bible study to attend.

You, LDSSS had informed us of the upward positions a Mormon (male) could espouse to which gave them greater knowledge and position within their wards and stakes. I remember that some of these promotions or progressions were based on being a stellar upstanding individual in the community, but believe you and others, added even more things that one can do to achieve higher position and power. But it shows "progression up" within the infrastructure .

I feel there are similar "progressive" actions within these extended believing groups. I look at it as more of a "progression down. It is as if the more you believe and seem to truly understand and abide to, the "deeper and deeper" into the secrets,thoughts actions for the future you will be privileged to learn/hear.

This is where the confusion comes for me. When does one of these people start looking back at the mainstream church and realize "maybe I am going to far with this"... shore is pretty far away.

THIS is why I don't think people will talk. Because if they know a lot to share, they are too far from the more comfortable mainstream shore. And, that's why i think it is easy for Melani etal to easily believe "no cult". Because they can still come back on shore.

Yeah, I think you've encapsulated some things fairly well. Mormonism in general is heavy on progression and these Chad/Lori types seem to take things a step or two, or three ... further.

I don't recall commenting about progression within the LDS hierarchy in the way that you've indicated, but perhaps I said something that I don't remember now. And I probably wouldn't phrase the issue quite in the way you have: "things one can do to achieve higher position and power" within the hierarchy of the mainstream church. There might be some base requirements for a role in the hierarchy, but many, many men would meet those base requirements. I don't think there's anything like a formula for advancement in the hierarchy by following a certain set of steps.

 

[indicolite22]

I think Charles confided in Brandon and at that time Melani and Brandon were still together, so they didn't suspect that Melani was involved. IIRC, Summer and Janis also mentioned that Charles was complaining to family about Lori's behavior (and possibly sent documents?), but Lori probably twisted it and made counter-accusations which made the family side with her.

I checked back and it turns out that Summer and Janis only mentioned Charles sending family messages and calling to win Lori back, so no documents. But Melani did explain what she knew at the time in the previous interview with Nate Eaton:

Melani: "I think it’s important to understand where some of these things come from. Initially, when Charles filed for divorce with Lori, he brought a document over to my home with me and Brandon. We were still married, and everything seemed OK."

She then mentions the light and dark ratings, which she tried to "process", as well as the Ned Snyder claim, which she found "off".

 

[Anonymous91]

I think the ‘fears’ and ‘imagination running wild’. has been dragged in solely because Melani is solely referring to the ‘dreams fearing for the lives of her children’; which I think we all recall sounding exactly like Melani had received visions to off said children. Maybe her lawyers apprised her, as I recall being the only person I saw willing to put it in the universe in writing (I’m not on Facebook) that it sounded specifically like Melani was coming for her oldest daughter to do her harm; and nothing else indicates that Melani has this kind of good sense capacity; so if it doesn’t come from a lawyer I should think she would have to have read it somewhere to get the idea, IMO.

Also, from what I recall, Melani claims that CV showed her these light/dark papers, she does not state that she was ever in possession of them. Assuming that Charles even showed her these papers. It would stand to reason, that CV would have never have left these papers in her possession, but would have wanted these papers with him as proof, assuming he ever found them or even knew about them. Remember, that we only have Melani claiming that is where she learned about the papers, hardly who I would consider a reliable witness.

so, either she has a eidetic memory (i.e photographic memory), or she got ahold of these papers from someone else. There is way too much detail, and the most likely source for her to have actually gotten these papers from is LVD or CD.

This is the most likely scenario, and this is just a misdirect, to have people stop seeing the truth, that she is actually part of a cult, and this is what they actually believe. She wants everyone to look the other way though, so why not blame it on Charles, not like he can defend himself.

The other thing that has really been bugging me, is that she is playing the "Victim card". claiming that her Aunt Lori, Chad,Alex, etc. are all innocent victims. Then attacking everyone else that they don't like (Charles, BB, Melani's dad, etc.). Someone needs to call her out on this crap, but her lawyers would shut that down fast (thus the reason the lawyers are present). This is just a big PR spin doctor fest, ad nauseam.


MOO

 

[indicolite22]

Also, from what I recall, Melani claims that CV showed her these light/dark papers, she does not state that she was ever in possession of them. Assuming that Charles even showed her these papers. It would stand to reason, that CV would have never have left these papers in her possession, but would have wanted these papers with him as proof, assuming he ever found them or even knew about them. Remember, that we only have Melani claiming that is where she learned about the papers, hardly who I would consider a reliable witness.

so, either she has a eidetic memory (i.e photographic memory), or she got ahold of these papers from someone else. There is way too much detail, and the most likely source for her to have actually gotten these papers from is LVD or CD. This is the most likely scenario, and this is just a misdirect, to have people stop seeing the truth, that she is actually part of a cult.

MOO

IMO it doesn't matter where Melani got the light/dark ratings of Lori's family, when the info has been traced back to Chad's email to Lori. Lori's camp (which includes Chad) can't reject this piece of evidence, because Chad has been named as the source. That's why Melani tried to explain the concept instead.

 

[MadTing]

Clearly Melani is lying and Ian is going along for the ride. I see Ian as the weaker link. Big question for me is: What does Melani have to gain by being Lori's door mat?

They may just all have the same crazy extremist beliefs and think they are doing the right thing trying to save each other by any means.

 

[Bazinga]

Agree 100%

But I'm starting to question how much Melani and Lori were actually together. Melani moved in on Nov 1. Lori got married in Hawaii on Nov 5 meaning she probably left Rexburg by the 3rd or so. Our timeline says she came back "mid November. So if that is the 15th (only a 10 day honeymoon/time for Chad to work on his books) Melanie started hooking up with IP on the 20th and they must have spent an awful lot of time together to be going to his parents in another state for Thankgiving 7 days later. So rather than the month of interaction without seeing the kids, it seems more like 6 days max to me, Nov 2, 3, 16, 17, 18, 19.

This also puts into question Melani's lawyer's statement that Melani moved to Rexburg to be near her aunt who she was very fond of... Lori was not there long at all and Melani says in her interviews that she was aware that Chad and Lori had plans to move to Hawaii.

 

[MadTing]

This also puts into question Melani's lawyer's statement that Melani moved to Rexburg to be near her aunt who she was very fond of... Lori was not there long at all and Melani says in her interviews that she was aware that Chad and Lori had plans to move to Hawaii.

Exactly she moved to rexburg to be near her aunt who she already knew was moving to hawaii weeks shortly after she moved. That makes ZERO sense.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

From the transcript (Lori Vallow's niece talks about missing kids, FBI and her family's role in bizarre case):

ES: What explanation would she give though if her children were not there?

MP: If I would go into her home and I didn’t see them there, sometimes Tylee was out with friends, which wasn’t uncommon. She was a teenager that wasn’t home a lot. She spent a lot of time with her friends, she’s very social. And if I didn’t see JJ, she would tell me he’s either with a friend or has a nanny for him. He required a lot of therapy and time with special needs, so I didn’t have a reason to think that something was wrong. And I knew she was doing everything she could to kind of stay low and not tell people where they were.

Did any of Tylee's friends from Idaho come forward? How many friends can you make in a week? Don't you think they'd confirm to police that she was alive beyond September 8? Any other JJ's friends apart from the neighbor and any other nannies apart from the one from September 19? Any indication that Lori hired a therapist for JJ while they were there? I'm not sure if Melani realizes how absurd she sounds. She lived next door, never saw the kids in a month, not even coming and going, and didn't find it strange.

This has always been an issue for me. If Tylee had all these friends, where are they, and what did they know? We have also had dialogue indicating Tylee was so controlled by Lori, and probably did not have a lot of friends, given their moving around, and things Tylee had seen. I guess I do keep hoping there has been a friend out there who has provided some information to LE, but they are protecting her privacy for now. REgardless, whenever I think about Tylee, I just get so angry about what a horrible life she had....

 

[squareandrabbet]

This has always been an issue for me. If Tylee had all these friends, where are they, and what did they know? We have also had dialogue indicating Tylee was so controlled by Lori, and probably did not have a lot of friends, given their moving around, and things Tylee had seen. I guess I do keep hoping there has been a friend out there who has provided some information to LE, but they are protecting her privacy for now. REgardless, whenever I think about Tylee, I just get so angry about what a horrible life she had....

one of the friends’ mothers posted here in very early days (the teen friend who said ‘Tylee did not use text speak abbreviations’), but also said along the way that her daughter was starting to see the light of most probable outcome, and that it was stressing daughter-friend to near-hysteria to think about it

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I had somehow missed this! I didn’t know she had more siblings. Could they possibly be step siblings?

yes... her father remarried. And as far as I know, Melani did live with them as a family.... not sure for how long.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I agree. You don't just make this stuff up. This is Melani CYA mode.

I have a very good imagination, and on my best days, I couldn't even compete with any of the insanity found in this document. How stupid does Melani think people are?

Does she think they are gullible enough, to actually believe that this is just her "imagination running wild", and that IP was just documenting this to protect her? ROFLMAO

Well she just might believe that, since I think that is exactly what happened to her.

See if any of this sounds familiar, in regards to Melani:
-Extreme negative views toward the parent, including denying past positive experiences, and lack of investment or interest in improving the relationship.
- Frivolous or absurd reasons for hurt and anger with the parent.
- Seeing one parent as all good and the other as all bad.

I believe she was brainwashed by the Cox's in my opinion, and went under a form of Parental Alienation. Here's a good article that explains it in better detail: Parental Alienation: Programming and Brainwashing - Shrink4Men

I find it disturbing, that the Cox's and MP, seem to mimic each other, and seem to use the same terminology and phrases. I think that they honestly believe that they can dupe everyone into believing whatever they want them to believe, they've been doing it their whole lives.

Fortunately, there are a lot of us that see through their smoke and mirrors.

MOO

But does the general public and potential jurers watch MSM interviews, or study this stuff like we do here. This is their mission--slant public opinion and taint the jury pool.

Can you just see the difficulty getting a jury of unbiased people in this case?

As we have elaborated many times---> you have to truly be brilliant to keep up with all the weeds, details and facts to keep this whole story straight. What if everything gets so confusing that jurors will just go with "not enough evidence". oh god.

 

[Tortoise]

This was the Prosecutor's response to the Defendant's request for discovery filed 12th May. It talks about phone, laptops, iPads, usb drive seized.

05/12/2020 Response to Defendant's Request for Discovery
https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR33-20-0302/Response to Request for Discovery-051220.pdf
Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

Scott Reisch also discusses it in his latest video (timestamp 1:26 to 8:50)

 

[nhmemorymaker]

As others have posted, I’m still curious about money. How is Chad paying monthly expenses? Did his publishing business just go kaput after the death of his wife? How are Melani and Ian paying their monthly expenses? All of the people above (and I’ll add Lori to this) have attorneys, either active (child custody cases) or on retainer (Chad). Add in all the travel and moving in the past year.

I am always curious about the money.... in the beginning I was so convinced there was big big money in the background somewhere.

But if so, it would have come out for the bond. Even if Chad could not shows assets of 1M, some money'ed folks in the background easily could.

I don't think the offshoot LDS groups really collect 'tithing' do they? I would doubt that any money is coming in from AVOW and PAP right now.

Ian had steady employment in Rexburg and Idaho Falls. What is he doing now, in AZ?
Earlier on these threads, someone had also indicated that Alex was not working for the trucking company?