Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #32

[CSIDreamer]

Oh, yeah, missed that, sorry. Dunno how he'll get around that, but I suspect if it's in his interest he will.

New vision. More exaltation yadda yadda blah blah blah. Jmo

 

[cb73]

I keep seeing posts about Lori and her family being if not solid LDS, at least generally accepted as "regular" LDS, the odd cult-thing notwithstanding.

But this bothers me. The foundation of the Church is the Articles of Faith that pretty much everyone can recite (or is that just me? )

Article #12 is: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

And yet everything that Lori and her family have done is counter that. The allegations of IRS issues, flaunting law enforcement, the comments that she sees or thinks herself to be above the law. There's almost an anti-government tone--at least that's my perception. And that's just not an attitude of LDS people, at least anyone I've grown up with or known.

I could totally imagine sitting next to TD in Relief Society. She came across as exactly who we are--family-oriented, good people. I can't even imagine running into Lori or most of her family in church--I think I'd sincerely wonder why they were there.

Totally my opinion, but I'm getting to where every time I see a post were someone is talking about Lori and her LDS beliefs I want to shout--not my people.

 

[AmandaSkis]

Well actually, she already had a family that she abandoned.

Ha! Excellent point!

 

[Spartygirl]

Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

New documents from the child custody battle between Melani Pawlowski and Brandon Boudreaux reveal alleged details and a potential witness tied to Lori Vallow’s religious group. #fox10phoenix

While I liked getting a few new details, the whole time I was reading these documents, I was thinking "How old are they" ??
They sound like a bunch of grade school kids, he said, she said, he didn't , she didn't, bully, hide, yada, yada, yada.
JMO

 

[AmandaSkis]

I am interested in this bit when Smith speaks. Is this the lawyer?

Smith: Nate, let me modify this just a little bit. Part of the premise of what our clients are saying, including Melani and Ian here with us, but also Summer (Shiflet, Lori’s sister) and Janis (Cox, Lori’s mother) – the premise of it is, first and foremost, they don’t think they’ve ever seen anything in Lori’s life that would give them any evidence that she could harm her children.

The next level is that they know that Lori had a basis and a belief that she needed to take steps to protect her kids. We don’t have all the details about that, but she had expressed at least that much to them. They were moving out of the state of Arizona, they were going away, and she had a reason for doing that.

The third thing is that they had experienced in Lori’s life this notion that she has a substantial distrust of the system because of its failure in her ability to protect her own kids. The system never was able to help her do that – the judicial system.

So it’s hard to go into Lori and say, “Just tell us where the kids are” when it undermines everything that I just set forth. They don’t think she did anything to the kids. They know she’s got a basis for wanting to protect them. She knows they know that she doesn’t trust the system. And so to go in and ask her to tell them where the kids are would undermine her ultimate purpose – which is to protect the kids. Everybody wants that question asked because they just want to see when the kids are, but that’s not what Lori’s goal is here. Lori’s goal is to protect them and saying where they are doesn’t protect them."

So this is Lori's defence? Why isn't Means saying this rather than Smith? Lori cannot divulge where the kids are because she is protecting them. From Kay.

I bolded a statement above by the attorney. That particular statement of his is so off the mark based on the information uncovered and discussed here.

Lori has ignored court orders NUMEROUS times. I would like to know one single time that the “system failed to protect her kids.” Go on, tell me a time Lori went to the “system” and was denied help.

 

[Hoosgirl]

On the GPS watch thing, I got one for my son as his first "phone" and Fitbit. He could call us, track his steps, and yes, I could see where he was in our neighborhood when playing with friends. It is not necessarily nefarious but it would indeed be a way to know when he was at school. I used to track my son every day when he wanted to be able to walk to the bus stop without me and I was a nervous Nellie. Here is the one he had: GizmoWatch 2: Kids smartwatch | real-time location | Verizon

 

[divineappt]

Just a thought. What if the death of SC (MBP’s mom) was a mercy killing? She was in Hospice end of life IIRC. Could as well have started an ease and justification for killing. Again, just a random thought.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Just a thought. What if the death of SC (MBP’s mom) was a mercy killing? She was in Hospice end of life IIRC. Could as well have started an ease and justification for killing. Again, just a random thought.

Has anyone besides Melani brought up hospice? Why was she in hospice? Jmo

 

[Spartygirl]

Do you think they would let a dark spirit (TR) take care of a light spirit (JJ) imo as to why I don't think Tylee is watching JJ

Besides the fact that MP allegedly told her new husband that LVD and CD told her that Tylee and JJ had become zombies and were possessed.
When I read things like this, I go back to my first instinct that they killed the children.
I had just a teeny tiny bit of hope that Tylee and JJ are in hiding, especially with the non-chalant attitudes of MP and the Cox family and their refusal to answer the simple question "did you ask where the kids are"?? then I re-read documents and I understand why they don't answer that question--it's because they KNOW what happened to the kids and I don't think they are in hiding. JMO

 

[gumchew]

Regarding CV changing insurance beneficiaries without LVD permission:

I suspect the insurance company screwed up. I posted a reference to the statute above.

I am hundreds of messages behind--gosh this thread moves fast--so perhaps someone has already pointed this out. (IANAL, but...) I think it might be a stretch to suggest the insurance company "screwed up". ARS 25-211 just says all property acquired during the marriage is community property and that filing for separation/annulment doesn't change that. To that end, since AZ is a community property state, LVD would have the right to claim 50% of the payout no matter who CV designated as the beneficiary, and no matter whether either of them had filed for separation/annulment/etc, as long as she had not signed a waiver that forfeits that right (more on this in a moment). As far as I know, that's not a matter for the insurance company to validate or enforce at the time of making the paperwork change; rather it's a matter of property/estate law to be decided during probate if there's a dispute.

Among the disclosures the insurance company will have required CV to read would have been a disclosure that residents of AZ, CA, ID, LA, NV, NM, TX, WA, and WI are subject to community property laws that may supersede any beneficiary designation, and provide them with a waiver form (or signature block) that they may choose to have their spouse sign, in order to avoid any doubt during probate, if they reside in a community property state. But they are not going to go research whether you have a valid marriage certificate or anything

Here's an example, and please note carefully in the waiver block the use of the words "you may complete". It is not required: https://www.un.org/insurance/sites/...Beneficiary_Designation_Form_gr12062-2019.pdf

The spousal waiver would certainly be something you'd want to file at the time of the change, if you want to avoid any potential probate issues or disputes for your beneficiary, but that is not required in order to make the change. Clearly in this case CV would not have sought a waiver of rights from LVD, because LVD would not have signed one, so understandably CV took his chances, and the insurance company did exactly what they were supposed to do.

 

[Bree68]

shes as interesting as watching paint dry......**yawn
yet....the new husband is dull beyond comprehension.
so fishy they could even get excited enough to 'madly fall in love" in a few days and commit to marriage spontaneously

moo

Jackson Town Square has a Elk Antler Arch at each of the four entrances. A live feed webcam is present.

Thank you

 

[Bree68]

Do you think they would let a dark spirit (TR) take care of a light spirit (JJ) imo as to why I don't think Tylee is watching JJ

At this point nothing surprises me with this group.

 

[divineappt]

Has anyone besides Melani brought up hospice? Why was she in hospice? Jmo

Good question I had forgotten where I heard that. I’ll crawl back under my rock!

 

[Spartygirl]

I'm so glad you brought this back up.. When it first came out, it absolutely sent chills up my spine. I don't believe they are hidden in whomever's house this might be, but whatever he was up to absolutely has to do with their disappearance IMO.
As far as your questions, my comments would be:
1. I don't think he has any relatives there, so anyone he was meeting would have to be podcast people or Lori's relatives.
2. IMO the only physical job he has done is gravedigger. I am sure the terrifying implications of that are evident.
3. It could be so many different places.. I'm hoping the possibilities have been thoroughly investigated.. We should brainstorm as well.
4. Again IMO I don't think this is the case (kids staying there), but whatever it was, they believed Chad needed to be there in person, to oversee it. Maybe not building something, but covering up something that was already there?
MOO.

The Valley in Mesa AZ and what Mesa is famous for- INTERESTING**
"The spectacular Mesa Arizona Temple dominates much of central Mesa, and one of the city's (admittedly few) iconic restaurants, The Landmark, is in a building that began life as a Mormon church.
While looking, I noticed there are about 20 LDS churches along with the temple in that area.
( I did NOT highlight or Bold type, it copied and pasted that way it wont let me change it)*

 

[Dontknow?]

I keep seeing posts about Lori and her family being if not solid LDS, at least generally accepted as "regular" LDS, the odd cult-thing notwithstanding.
But this bothers me. The foundation of the Church is the Articles of Faith that pretty much everyone can recite (or is that just me? )

Article #12 is: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

And yet everything that Lori and her family have done is counter that. The allegations of IRS issues, flaunting law enforcement, the comments that she sees or thinks herself to be above the law. There's almost an anti-government tone--at least that's my perception. And that's just not an attitude of LDS people, at least anyone I've grown up with or known.

I could totally imagine sitting next to TD in Relief Society. She came across as exactly who we are--family-oriented, good people. I can't even imagine running into Lori or most of her family in church--I think I'd sincerely wonder why they were there.

Totally my opinion, but I'm getting to where every time I see a post were someone is talking about Lori and her LDS beliefs I want to shout--not my people.

Most of me agrees with that. Makes me believe "go to Ammon" wasn't the town but the family B at times. Not that far away. Just a different belief system, I believe, some similar, some far apart. jmo

 

[Spartygirl]

I am interested in this bit when Smith speaks. Is this the lawyer?

Smith: Nate, let me modify this just a little bit. Part of the premise of what our clients are saying, including Melani and Ian here with us, but also Summer (Shiflet, Lori’s sister) and Janis (Cox, Lori’s mother) – the premise of it is, first and foremost, they don’t think they’ve ever seen anything in Lori’s life that would give them any evidence that she could harm her children.

The next level is that they know that Lori had a basis and a belief that she needed to take steps to protect her kids. We don’t have all the details about that, but she had expressed at least that much to them. They were moving out of the state of Arizona, they were going away, and she had a reason for doing that.

The third thing is that they had experienced in Lori’s life this notion that she has a substantial distrust of the system because of its failure in her ability to protect her own kids. The system never was able to help her do that – the judicial system.

So it’s hard to go into Lori and say, “Just tell us where the kids are” when it undermines everything that I just set forth. They don’t think she did anything to the kids. They know she’s got a basis for wanting to protect them. She knows they know that she doesn’t trust the system. And so to go in and ask her to tell them where the kids are would undermine her ultimate purpose – which is to protect the kids. Everybody wants that question asked because they just want to see when the kids are, but that’s not what Lori’s goal is here. Lori’s goal is to protect them and saying where they are doesn’t protect them."

So this is Lori's defence? Why isn't Means saying this rather than Smith? Lori cannot divulge where the kids are because she is protecting them. From Kay.

But.... Just WHO exactly is Lori supposedly "Protecting" them from?
Tylee's dad is deceased
JJ's Dad Charles is deceased.
I guess that means the only ones left would be KAY and Larry
Is that what this is ??
Just a power struggle with Lori and Kay ? (Lori's ..not Kay's)
Is Lori trying to hold kids over Kay's head and have power and control by not letting Kay see JJ-- I mean, Lori already had her own brother kill Kay's brother Charles, JJ's dad/
Now she is keeping JJ away from Kay, taking away Kay's loved ones.

Edit--IMO..it is something even worse than that though. But I do think she enjoys causing Kay pain which is horrible in itself

 

[Spartygirl]

I think that this friend was from Hawaii or Arizona, I don't recall which.

Obviously, this was not the same friend, that Melani was referring to. Melani claims that Lori told her that Tylee was hanging out with her "friends", which may or may not have been the truth. Either Lori told Melani that, and was straight up lying to her, or Melani is making this up to cover Lori.

I don't trust Melani at all, she claims that Lori had nothing to do with her moving to Rexburg, yet she manages to end up in the same complex as Lori and her new future husband. As if, this is some major coincidence.

MOO

And also moves into the same complex as Uncle Alex and her new husband and oh yeah, Chad Daybell lives in that town.
All of them together... to plan

 

[FindingJoLee]

But.... Just WHO exactly is Lori supposedly "Protecting" them from?
Tylee's dad is deceased
JJ's Dad Charles is deceased.
I guess that means the only ones left would be KAY and Larry
Is that what this is ??
Just a power struggle with Lori and Kay ? (Lori's ..not Kay's)
Is Lori trying to hold kids over Kay's head and have power and control by not letting Kay see JJ-- I mean, Lori already had her own brother kill Kay's brother Charles, JJ's dad/
Now she is keeping JJ away from Kay, taking away Kay's loved ones.

What sort of protecting would 17 y/o Tylee need from Kay and Larry?

 

[Picklepuck]

But.... Just WHO exactly is Lori supposedly "Protecting" them from?
Tylee's dad is deceased
JJ's Dad Charles is deceased.
I guess that means the only ones left would be KAY and Larry
Is that what this is ??
Just a power struggle with Lori and Kay ? (Lori's ..not Kay's)
Is Lori trying to hold kids over Kay's head and have power and control by not letting Kay see JJ-- I mean, Lori already had her own brother kill Kay's brother Charles, JJ's dad/
Now she is keeping JJ away from Kay, taking away Kay's loved ones.

Edit--IMO..it is something even worse than that though. But I do think she enjoys causing Kay pain which is horrible in itself

Agree. If Kay/Larry are the big threat, then why did Alex tell LE on 11/26/19 that JJ was with Kay? Why did Lori tell the neighbor kid that JJ was visiting them?

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

The Valley in Mesa AZ and what Mesa is famous for- INTERESTING**
"The spectacular Mesa Arizona Temple dominates much of central Mesa, and one of the city's (admittedly few) iconic restaurants, The Landmark, is in a building that began life as a Mormon church.
While looking, I noticed there are about 20 LDS churches along with the temple in that area.
( I did NOT highlight or Bold type, it copied and pasted that way it wont let me change it)*
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The Mesa temple has been closed for two years for renovations, but the Gilbert one is open and closest to where they used to live. (Chandler-Gilbert etc).