Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #33

[cloughman08]

I cannot help but think that if Tylee is alive that she would have tried something to show that she is alive i would hate to have my mom sit in jail that long.

Also doesn’t Lori supposedly have a mission to gather and lead the 144,000 by July? If she truly believes that then why would she still be sitting in jail and not already produced the kids. All her inner circle people say is the same load of nothing, as I am sure they hope that it’s all so clustered that the LE and FBI cannot untangle the mess JMO (I think that is what I am supposed to add)

Since she has hidden her daughter once before, does anyone think there is a sliver of hope that she is hiding them now? Her daughter is much older now but she might go along with this to take care of her brother. Would Lori do this just to spite the in-laws who might want custody of her son?

helps

 

[cloughman08]

I cannot help but think that if Tylee is alive that she would have tried something to show that she is alive i would hate to have my mom sit in jail that long.

Also doesn’t Lori supposedly have a mission to gather and lead the 144,000 by July? If she truly believes that then why would she still be sitting in jail and not already produced the kids. All her inner circle people say is the same load of nothing, as I am sure they hope that it’s all so clustered that the LE and FBI cannot untangle the mess JMO (I think that is what I am supposed to add)

Since she has hidden her daughter once before, does anyone think there is a sliver of hope that she is hiding them now? Her daughter is much older now but she might go along with this to take care of her brother. Would Lori do this just to spite the in-laws who might want custody of her son?

helps

 

[Spartygirl]

I also think they will call all the people that have been told by either Lori or Chad that either she did not have kids or that Tylee had been killed. Also with Tylee getting ssa benefits that Lori will need to show some type of proof that Tylee’s money was used for Tylee.

JJ would be getting SS benefits also, wouldn't he ??
With his dad ( adoptive, but legal dad) deceased, he would be getting benefits also, IMO
Although, as a special needs child, he may have been getting SSI already but he may be entitled to more $ now that dad is deceased.
So we have black widow mom attempting for life insurance policy $$ along with 2 children's SS benefits to live off of.
Follow the $$

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

But if she ultimately produces the kids and had arranged for their support this whole time there would be no social security fraud, no desertion, just lying to the police, which carries a $1000 fine.

Imo those are some big ifs, but not completely out there in terms of theories. I’m not sure on the legalities of being found in possession of someone else’s social security money. Sure she could have things set up somewhere for the kids, but that still leaves a lot of unaswered questions and even more strange behavior unexplained. Things like: who or what are the kids being hidden from? Tylee is 17 so saying KW and LW just doesn’t answer for me. Could Chad have a more nefarious plan, if the kids truly are hidden? If so, what was he planning? Is Chad really this big mastermind? What was the plan for the 144000? Was a mass murder? If Lori is found guilty (meaning the kids aren’t produced and no proof is found) then what? Did she really hide the kids that well and cover her tracks with them enough? Is she really happy sitting in jail for however long? All jmo

 

[longtimereader]

I wonder who determined the end of world date? Was it CD or LV or someone else? Can that person change the date since? Since at least LV is a god, can she control it? I wonder if she is no longer seeing that as a deadline for gathering and no longer feels it is necessary to get out? I know they are questions that cannot be answered. I was thinking about the current jail routine and if she could be recruiting members. Wondering how much contact they can have with each other due to covid 19. My aunt is in a nursing home and they are all eating meals in their rooms rather than the dining room. If they can't talk amongst themselves, there is less of a chance she will reveal plans to another inmate.

 

[CSIDreamer]

But if she ultimately produces the kids and had arranged for their support this whole time there would be no social security fraud, no desertion, just lying to the police, which carries a $1000 fine.

Well, theres also the teeny tiny problem the State of Idaho officially has custody of the children if she produces them. That isn't going away anytime soon. Jmo

 

[Bree68]

Lori comes from a family of defying the government on principal. It's not hard for me to believe that she would defy court orders if she had hid them away knowing that ultimately she had committed no serious crime. On the contrary, I find it very hard to believe that she thought she could get away with actual murder.

I agree documents show that the family has no regards for authority and feel above the law, with IRS regulations and law suits being an example. LVD has a history of divorces and a messy custody situation. She IMO has probably been doing shady things for so long that she just feels like she will never be caught and if she is she will get out of it.

 

[carbuff]

That July 2020 end of the world date is circulating in most end-of-the-world cults, not just this one. It's partly based on predictions by a psychic named Sylvia Browne, as well as the usual Nostradamus stuff, and partly on the numerological significance of the "2020" pattern. Lots of crazy stuff just waiting for a crazy cult leader to pick up for his or her own uses.

 

[KonaHonu]

JJ would be getting SS benefits also, wouldn't he ??
With his dad ( adoptive, but legal dad) deceased, he would be getting benefits also, IMO
Although, as a special needs child, he may have been getting SSI already but he may be entitled to more $ now that dad is deceased.
So we have black widow mom attempting for life insurance policy $$ along with 2 children's SS benefits to live off of.
Follow the $$

I'm not too familiar with SS benefits so I just went and read up on them. As a widow of CV caring for JJ, Lori would be entitled to benefits under CV's record UNTIL SHE REMARRIED. So marrying Chad cost her.

MP likely would have been getting alimony from BB which likely ended when she married IP.

It is plausible that IP was getting alimony from NP that would have ended as well. Why do I say this? Because she has much greater earning potential and possibly earnings based on her education.

So these quick marriages seem fishy for another reason. They have an ongoing financial cost. It's possible these people did not have a lot of financial sense and did not consider this. But for people with very few sources of income among all of them I would think they would be reluctant to give up a steady stream from the government.

 

[KonaHonu]

That July 2020 end of the world date is circulating in most end-of-the-world cults, not just this one. It's partly based on predictions by a psychic named Sylvia Browne, as well as the usual Nostradamus stuff, and partly on the numerological significance of the "2020" pattern. Lots of crazy stuff just waiting for a crazy cult leader to pick up for his or her own uses.

I'm not crazy or a believer in psychics. But I think we can all agree that 2020 has been a year like none other and it's not even half over!

 

[Bree68]

I think it's quite the opposite. She thought that she could get away with disappearaing the kids without being held accountable for their care. As for murder, no body - no crime. She wouldn't be the first to think that way. She trusted police well enough when she complained about Charles stealing her purse. She even bragged about having police connections.

To your previous point that her attorney would advise her to keep quiet after getting arrested, why not advise her to comply and get her case thrown out? Instead her attorney argued about single spaced documents in court. Why would she waste a lot of money she doesn't have on lawyers and waste away in jail, separated from her new hubby just to prove a point? What would that point be anyway?

Don't forget that the two Rexburg police officers investigating the missing kids were labeled dark translated beings by Lori and Chad. That's an entirely rational explanation for not trusting the police.

I have thought about that too. Why wouldn't her attorney tell her to confess about where her children are? I have theories IMOO I thought one theory may be that the attorney may be involved somehow. " sounds far fetched, but possible" I have also thought that maybe since LVD has already changed attorneys that she has not told where the children are or she has told them that she is waiting for someone to contact her with the answer as to where they are and she really doesn't know.
The family claiming that she doesn't trust law enforcement is a load of crap , but she can always say that it was because the system failed her regarding her complaints about JR. She went to the authorities with complaints of abuse , but there was not enough evidence. LVD still made it impossible for JR to see TR. IMO although LVD took MG and TR with her to file the police report regarding her stolen purse, she can say that she took them as support because she didn't trust them . However, IMOO I feel as if the officer is either a good friend or possibly also has the same beliefs as her and CD. I will.try again to upload the video of the said situation to refresh your memory, but IMO the officer did everything to get LVD out of the police station before CV got back there.
The officer told her basically that if she was not there when CV returned that the police could not make her go for a mental health evaluation and the police DO NOT come knock on doors to find people when someone makes a request for such evaluations. In addition the officer told her that if she was there when CV returned that she would have to go get an evaluation, so if she had things to do to go ahead and do them . ( not exactly the wording).

 

[longtimereader]

That July 2020 end of the world date is circulating in most end-of-the-world cults, not just this one. It's partly based on predictions by a psychic named Sylvia Browne, as well as the usual Nostradamus stuff, and partly on the numerological significance of the "2020" pattern. Lots of crazy stuff just waiting for a crazy cult leader to pick up for his or her own uses.

Thanks for that info. I didn't know the source of the date.

 

[Bree68]

Curious how much Ring camera video shows them going back and forth between apartments. There is video from the storage video and possibly other places around the apartment complex. Maybe the laundry room if they did not have their own in the unit.

Me as well. Now days CCTV is everywhere. There almost has to be footage someplace a d even if cameras were doen at the complex there should be cameras around the vicinity. I did a Google earth and found the storage unit is very close to the apartments. If there are cameras I would assume that they retain information and that they are not loop cameras. Just like there are a lot of cameras at Yellowstone, but not all of them run continuously.

 

[Bree68]

So what is the truth from this? How well did that one sibling know Lori? Is it possible more people are involved than we’re aware? So what’s Chads kids feelings now that there appears to be an affair or suspicious behaviors at the least?

That is the thing. How much of this is the truth we don't know. Did this person consider a one time meeting knowing LVD? IMO there are a lot more people involved than what people think. High up people... follow the $$$. CD kids have been silent since her hired an attorney for them, but it would be interesting to see how they are feeling now. Like I stated in the first post there is a video floating around from one of his sons that doesn't sound like he was buying the story from the beginning.
I don't know if it is okay to post here or not, but you should be able to find it by searching on of CD children speaks out.

 

[Diddian]

We know from the probable cause affidavit that Gilbert PD detective Hermosillo had Lori under intermittent surveillance since November 1st while investigating the attempted murder of BB (see item 7 on page 3 of affidavit): READ: The documents charging Lori Vallow Daybell | East Idaho News

A neighbor that lived on the other side of Lori also said in an interview that police knocked on his door about a week before the welfare check happened: Missing Idaho children’s mom fled the night before FBI raided home, neighbor says

Also, LE hasn't really told us, but I suspect that by mid Nov there was a heavy joint LE investigation into the attempt on BB, the murder of Charles and Tammy's suspicious death. Had Kay not requested the welfare check, who knows how this whole case would have played out, but they were being investigated by multiple LE agencies already at the time that Kay requested a welfare check on JJ. It's no easy thing to get search warrants for 3 residences and the help of the FBI in a typical missing kids case right after the first welfare check of a child who hasn't even been reported missing by a parent. Local LE had warrants and asked for FBI help with the search for JJ immediately once it was clear to them that Lori, Alex and Chad lied to them about JJ's whereabouts and had fled the state of Idaho. I believe that search warrant came together quickly because of all the other investigations that had been going on up to that point.

MOO.

I agree with you. I think the FBI quickly became involved after Kay inquired about JJ's welfare and LE learned that not only had Lori moved out of state, but also that BOTH kids were missing. At that point it became clear that LVD and AxC may have killed or were contemplating killing the two kids to eliminate them because they were witnesses to the shooting of Charles Vallow, as well as to aspects of the planning of that act. IMO, when JJ was caught on the neighbor's doorbell video repeatedly shouting out, "Get the hell out of here," he was telling in the best way he could what he had heard. I suspect Tylee disappeared first because Lori was still getting some of the paperwork straight with respect to JJ so she'd gain what funds she could first (arranging for social security survivor benefits, establishing that he was being schooled, notifying his former school that he was enrolled somewhere new).

I believe that killing witnesses to a murder or attempted murder, or to a conspiracy to commit murder/attempted murder to prevent those witnesses from giving statements constitutes "Special Circumstances" which could raise the potential penalty for those charges into death penalty territory.

 

[Bree68]

Correct, IMO - un-believable. I think it's pretty clear to most people that they didn't just randomly meet in early Nov. on a dating app and marry two weeks later.

This reminds me of one of the greatest benefits of sites like this one - they're a bellwether for public opinion. The verdict is on on Melani and Ian and it's not favorable.

Not to mention IP is from Arizona and so is his family and they lived across from one another.
Someone we have discussed had and may still have a dating site , but IMOO it makes more sense that CD and or LVD introduced MBP and IP .

 

[MTW2011]

48 Hours episode tonight 10e/9c is the Lori Vallow episode that was postponed a little over a week ago.

 

[carbuff]

Nah, I think the timing might be the only ACTUAL coincidence in the case so far. Moo.

Probably true, but she might have interpreted it as not a coincidence. Guilty conscience and all.

Though it seems like all the plans were well under way by that date, too.

 

[Nurse Gen]

I agree with you. I think the FBI quickly became involved after Kay inquired about JJ's welfare and LE learned that not only had Lori moved out of state, but also that BOTH kids were missing. At that point it became clear that LVD and AxC may have killed or were contemplating killing the two kids to eliminate them because they were witnesses to the shooting of Charles Vallow, as well as to aspects of the planning of that act. IMO, when JJ was caught on the neighbor's doorbell video repeatedly shouting out, "Get the hell out of here," he was telling in the best way he could what he had heard. I suspect Tylee disappeared first because Lori was still getting some of the paperwork straight with respect to JJ so she'd gain what funds she could first (arranging for social security survivor benefits, establishing that he was being schooled, notifying his former school that he was enrolled somewhere new).

I believe that killing witnesses to a murder or attempted murder, or to a conspiracy to commit murder/attempted murder to prevent those witnesses from giving statements constitutes "Special Circumstances" which could raise the potential penalty for those charges into death penalty territory.

@Diddian, that "get the hell out of here" video is disturbing. He had to have heard that somewhere, it's not likely he came up with that on his own, he's a 7 year old little kid

 

[Diddian]

@Diddian, that "get the hell out of here" video is disturbing. He had to have heard that somewhere, it's not likely he came up with that on his own, he's a 7 year old little kid

That's what I think too. I have a sister and a nephew who are both special needs. My sister is now a late middle-aged adult and my nephew in his 30's, but I watch that video of JJ obsessing on those words and that looks like something either of them might have done to express their pain or horrifying feelings if they had witnessed something traumatic. They would stay stuck on it until the trauma had been adequately worked through so it lost its dramatic power over them.

ETA: It's important to also remember that some of the other sources of comfort in JJ's life that might help him work through trauma - his service dog, Bailey, a stable and long-term home, and regular contact with his grandparents - had been taken away from him.