Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #33

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  • #121
I agree with your overall statement that that they all knew what was going on in each other's lives. She knows more than she's pretending to. However, I actually believe she has shown concern over LE's presence and actions, but she's desperately trying hard to pretend like it hasn't bothered her. And it is because of this that suggests to me that she is deeply involved and intertwined in this whole mess. Her words and actions betray a guilty conscience, despite protestations to the contrary. As an example, from the interview with Nate Eaton (BBM):

Eaton: When did you guys find out there was an investigation and JJ and Tylee were missing?

Melani: I’m foggy on this date but (Rexburg Police) Detective Hermosillo and another gentleman had come to my door while I was moving my stuff in so it had to have been early in November – I’d guess the second week in November.

I get a knock at the door, and I open it and see police, and I’m jumpy because what is my ex up to? What’s the next thing? Are my kids OK?

The detective said, “Do you know who lives next door?” And I said, “Yes, I think Alex’s name was on the lease, so sometimes my uncle’s over there, sometimes my aunt goes over there,” and I didn’t know what that was about. That was it. That was my first encounter with Rexburg Police.

Eaton: And that’s when they said the kids are missing?

Melani: No, no. This was early November. Then right before Thanksgiving, we’re driving down to Arizona to meet Ian’s family and have Thanksgiving, and I get a text from (Rexburg Police) Lt. Ball that says, “Somebody’s broken into your home. I need you to call me right away.”

I’m immediately like, “Oh great. My ex has sent somebody. I knew he had a private investigator following me, and I immediately thought he sent somebody to come break into my house. I didn’t know what to text back – I was kind of processing it.”

Then later, I texted back, “Well, I’m with people I love on Thanksgiving, and at least that’s what’s important.” If whatever the heck was taken – I had my emergency cash savings and I had a computer, an iPad, an old phone I didn’t use – I didn’t know what had been taken, but I was like, if my whole apartment is robbed, it’s OK. I got everything I need. It’s not about things.

Then he said, “I need you to call me,” and then I later found out it was the Rexburg Police. They had knocked down my door and taken a lot of my things. I kind of felt bothered about the text I got but I understand they’re just doing investigation.

As soon as I returned after Thanksgiving, I went right into Detective Hermosillo and was like, “What’s going on? I’m here to get my stuff.” He asked me about my previous marriage, what was I doing here, and he asked me about Lori and Alex. I was an open book and said, “Here’s what I know. Lori and Chad had left probably right around when I was going down to Arizona. They packed up and left, and I think it was a planned move. It wasn’t last minute because they had talked about moving to Hawaii at some point. They told Ian when they met, ‘You’ll have to come visit us in Hawaii sometime.'”

RSBM

It occurred to me while reading this, how did Melani already know by the 2nd week in Nov that BB had hired a PI to follow her to Idaho? Who told her about the PI that had just followed her there (using a GPA tracking device) on Nov 4th, and when did they tell her? Also, she seems to be really careful not to mention the trespassing incident that landed her in jail in Utah the 2nd week of Nov. I wonder if the officer visiting her at the Rexburg apts, happened before or after she went to Utah with Alex? She went to Utah with her uncle around the same time frame as the officer coming to ask who lived next door, but she wasn't sure which unit Alex lived in or didn't know for certain who was living in the unit next to her? Huh? o_O I also wonder, was Tylee's Jeep impounded by then? Last I knew, we didn't have the specific date LE located Tylee's Jeep and took it in to be processed, we only know that happened in Nov. Did AxC and Melani possibly take the 2020 Telluride to Utah because they couldn't take the Jeep? And how did Melani know that BB and their kids were in Utah at his parent's house on Nov 12th? Was there a mole feeding her info? Did she hire her own PI? Or could the police have tipped her off about the PI tracking her there when they impounded Tylee's Jeep with a warrant? And if the Jeep was already impounded and she knew that, where did she think Tylee was the 2nd week of Nov? o_O:confused:

The Nov timeline for a refresher: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION
 
  • #122
I agree with your overall statement that that they all knew what was going on in each other's lives. She knows more than she's pretending to. However, I actually believe she has shown concern over LE's presence and actions, but she's desperately trying hard to pretend like it hasn't bothered her. And it is because of this that suggests to me that she is deeply involved and intertwined in this whole mess. Her words and actions betray a guilty conscience, despite protestations to the contrary. As an example, from the interview with Nate Eaton (BBM):

Eaton: When did you guys find out there was an investigation and JJ and Tylee were missing?

Melani: I’m foggy on this date but (Rexburg Police) Detective Hermosillo and another gentleman had come to my door while I was moving my stuff in so it had to have been early in November – I’d guess the second week in November.

I get a knock at the door, and I open it and see police, and I’m jumpy because what is my ex up to? What’s the next thing? Are my kids OK?

The detective said, “Do you know who lives next door?” And I said, “Yes, I think Alex’s name was on the lease, so sometimes my uncle’s over there, sometimes my aunt goes over there,” and I didn’t know what that was about. That was it. That was my first encounter with Rexburg Police.

Eaton: And that’s when they said the kids are missing?

Melani: No, no. This was early November. Then right before Thanksgiving, we’re driving down to Arizona to meet Ian’s family and have Thanksgiving, and I get a text from (Rexburg Police) Lt. Ball that says, “Somebody’s broken into your home. I need you to call me right away.”

I’m immediately like, “Oh great. My ex has sent somebody. I knew he had a private investigator following me, and I immediately thought he sent somebody to come break into my house. I didn’t know what to text back – I was kind of processing it.”

Then later, I texted back, “Well, I’m with people I love on Thanksgiving, and at least that’s what’s important.” If whatever the heck was taken – I had my emergency cash savings and I had a computer, an iPad, an old phone I didn’t use – I didn’t know what had been taken, but I was like, if my whole apartment is robbed, it’s OK. I got everything I need. It’s not about things.

Then he said, “I need you to call me,” and then I later found out it was the Rexburg Police. They had knocked down my door and taken a lot of my things. I kind of felt bothered about the text I got but I understand they’re just doing investigation.

As soon as I returned after Thanksgiving, I went right into Detective Hermosillo and was like, “What’s going on? I’m here to get my stuff.” He asked me about my previous marriage, what was I doing here, and he asked me about Lori and Alex. I was an open book and said, “Here’s what I know. Lori and Chad had left probably right around when I was going down to Arizona. They packed up and left, and I think it was a planned move. It wasn’t last minute because they had talked about moving to Hawaii at some point. They told Ian when they met, ‘You’ll have to come visit us in Hawaii sometime.'”

So here we have Melani admitting that she was nervous and "jumpy" when she first encountered Rexburg Police when they came knocking on her door. What would cause her to be nervous and jumpy around police? Well, the very next words out of her mouth indicate that it's because she feels it's in regards to her husband, Brandon Boudreaux. She couches her words to make it sound like it's because she thought Brandon was up to no good, or that her children were in danger, but I'm not buying it. We have the text exchange between BB and MP wherein she essentially tells BB that she was moving to Idaho and for him to keep the kids. He tried to get her to reconsider, saying that the children needed stability and their mother in their lives (this despite the attempt on his life, clearly he was concerned for the best interest of the children), but apparently she wasn't interested in that. He then applied for full custody and she never showed up to court to contest it. This tells me that she was trying to distance herself from him and the kids, for some reason. The only believable reason, to me at least, why she would be nervous and jumpy with the police knocking on her door, and why BB was the first thing on her mind, was because there had been an attempt made on his life just weeks earlier and in all likelihood she thought they were there in regards to that. And why would she be scared for that unless there was reason to believe she was somehow connected to or involved with that attempted murder?

Well, as it turned out the police weren't there for her directly, they were inquiring about her neighbor, and if she knew who lived there. She told them her uncle Alex lived there, and they left. One has to wonder if the police even knew Melani lived there and knew of her relationship with Alex when they knocked on her door that day, or if they were trying to covertly investigate Alex at that point. Anyways, Melani claims to have not known "what that was about," but I suspect she did. Why would the police be looking to find out who lived next door unless the person who lived there was a person of interest in some kind of crime or investigation? And it's obviously not in regards to the missing children, as Melani admits.

Surely she would have talked with Alex and the others about the police asking around about him, right? That probably would have made everyone a bit nervous and edgy.

Later that month there is a welfare check for the kids (initially just JJ, until later they discover Tylee is missing too) and everybody in this family scatters like roaches when a light switch is flipped on. Chad and Lori hurriedly fly to Hawaii on a "pre-planned" trip. Alex apparently goes to Arizona to propose to ZP for a quickie marriage... changing his last name to that of his new wife, against all conventions and traditional norms (one has to wonder why. Surely it has nothing to do with trying to evade the law and justice, right?). And then we have Melani, who also travels down to Arizona to be with Ian's family for Thanksgiving and have a quickie wedding and adopt a new last name. Something happened that made everyone up and leave town at the drop of a hat. I'm betting there was a hurried family powow in regards to the missing kids and/or LE closing in on them about the attempted murder of BB. Whatever the case, the entire family is conveniently gone by the next day when the raid is performed.

As Melani is conveniently on her way down to Arizona LE from Rexburg texts her with disturbing news about a break-in to her home and that it's urgent that she call them. And of course she doesn't. According to her, "I didn’t know what to text back – I was kind of processing it." I believe that. I don't believe her excuse that she thought it was BB's doing, otherwise she would have called immediately as the law would have been on her side. If it were a break-in and it was as urgent as the officer made it sound (and she should have had no reason to believe otherwise, unless she were a guilty party to something more nefarious) then she should have reached out immediately to the police by calling them as instructed. What if the police were trying to find out if she or other family were ok or had been abducted? What if they needed her help to find a potential suspect? What if they needed other vital investigative information? In spite of the urgent and serious nature of the text she doesn't act how one would think. She doesn't act normal (and it is an act that she's putting on). Instead, she seems to fear/suspect the police and so she takes time to "process" the situation before replying some time later with a text that was designed to appear at once both innocent and dismissive. Her text comes across as passive aggressive - oh, you don't need to concern yourselves over me, I'm with those I love and so you should stop ruining my Thanksgiving holiday over some silly little break-in. She then goes on to rationalize rational lies her attitude and behavior for not treating the communication with LE more seriously by explaining that she just wasn't worried about property that may have been stolen. That's not the point! LE needed to talk to you over the phone about an important matter and you are acting completely out of character for an innocent victim! They needed information from you, and you knew it, but instead of helping them do their jobs you showed that you were more interested in protecting yourself by actively impeding their investigation.

The detective then replies back, again simply urging her to call them immediately. Which she never does. Instead she ignores the situation completely for several days. It isn't until some time after Thanksgiving, after she has gotten married, and has to go home and face reality again, that she finally gets in touch with LE about the situation. After she has had time to "process" the situation and come up with a defense. And then she again feigns innocence and ignorance - what's going on? Where's my stuff?

I'm sorry, but her words and actions don't speak to me of an innocent person with nothing to hide. Rather, they only make sense to me in light of someone involved in criminal mischief (whether of her own doing, or those she closely associates with and supports) and fear of subsequently getting caught. JMO.
Curious how much Ring camera video shows them going back and forth between apartments. There is video from the storage video and possibly other places around the apartment complex. Maybe the laundry room if they did not have their own in the unit.
 
  • #123
My gut is that common things are common. An insecticide from a big box discount store or farm supply is a lot easier to come by and explain than something exotic. Sure, the malachite might be more symbolic, but I believe they were interested in expediency and deceit, not poetry. Alex may well have poisoned himself at someone else’s instruction for the greater good of the ‘gatherers’.
I can't remember if you addressed this on the last thread, but do you have an opinion as to why they didn't test for any common poisons?
 
  • #124
Curious how much Ring camera video shows them going back and forth between apartments. There is video from the storage video and possibly other places around the apartment complex. Maybe the laundry room if they did not have their own in the unit.
These townhouses do not have common areas, in other words no amenities other residents would use too. I’m not including the courtyard lawn area. Laundry is located within each townhouse.

*edited to be clear on what I meant
 
  • #125
My gut is that common things are common. An insecticide from a big box discount store or farm supply is a lot easier to come by and explain than something exotic. Sure, the malachite might be more symbolic, but I believe they were interested in expediency and deceit, not poetry. Alex may well have poisoned himself at someone else’s instruction for the greater good of the ‘gatherers’.

I don't think malachite is toxic in terms of being fatal in any reliable way. I have looked for an SDS for malachite and found one. But it is a naturally occuring substance and only contains the general warning that it may be harmful if swallowed. The SDS says that research is very limited. The SDS for "sand" is similar. Most of the information about lethality is about "malachite green" which is a chemical unrelated to malachite except for the fact that is has a similar color. My guess is that any toxic effects from malachite are related to the body processing it into copper in the stomach. It is a copper carbonate hydroxide. It weathers into azurite when treated with acid, such as in the stomach. The International Gem Society lists its toxicity as high, but only because of its copper content. Azurite (and possibly malachite) have been used since antiquity as pigments and have likely been ingested by humans for millenia. If these minerals were toxic or useful poisons I think we would have all sorts of stories about them going back to ancient Greece.

The effects of copper poisoning are long term and mostly involve the liver and kidneys, not blood clots or heart disease. The physician can correct me if I am wrong but I don't think malachite/copper poisoning even comes close to filling Alex's symptoms.

In parts of Arizona natural malachite is extremely common and easy to find. If these people somehow wanted malachite they could have driven a few miles up the hill from Queen Creek AZ to Superior and harvested as much as they wanted from mile tailings and other sources. It's not at all rare in copper country. They could have collected tens of pounds in a day. I actually have a huge chunk of malachite covered rock as a door stop right now.

So I don't think malachite poisoning is at all likely. But malachite is easier to find in Arizona than pesticides!
 
  • #126
I can't remember if you addressed this on the last thread, but do you have an opinion as to why they didn't test for any common poisons?
I know you are asking the doc. But my guess would be that they had their samples and could always test for more. But the simple first look found an obvious and logical cause of death - clots, plaque to explain clots, and hypertension. No need to look for poisons.
 
  • #127
Idk if I heard he stayed in his own apartment even after the marriage. That’s definitely curious. What would be the reasoning in staying apart after marriage? Was he marrying into this as a spy? Was it a marriage of convenience? What was he gaining from all of this?
If he and Melani both had leases it would be understandable that they both kept their separate apartments but hard to believe they would live apart.
 
  • #128
I know you are asking the doc. But my guess would be that they had their samples and could always test for more. But the simple first look found an obvious and logical cause of death - clots, plaque to explain clots, and hypertension. No need to look for poisons.
Hmm yes, and I listened to the Joseph Scott Morgan podcast that Tricia did, and he said what amounted to the same but coming from the opposite direction: There likely were no grossly evident signs of poisoning, such as characteristic odor.
BUT.. A little part of my mind goes back to JRyan and his supposed cause of death, and makes me wonder--yes, the signs of pathology are present, but were they REALLY for sure the actual cause of death. The "coincidences" are just beyond belief with this group. Moo.
 
  • #129
Looking forward, the date is fast approaching for Lori to speak or face the consequences of her silence.

She is facing two felony counts of desertion and non-support, and those charges are no joke - they each carry a 14-year sentence.

Some have mentioned the state has to "prove" their case. Sure, they have to prove their charges, but Lori has to also answer those charges with some semblance of a defense.

If her defense is, "I'm supporting them," she has to show how. If her defense is, she didn't desert them, she has to show who is caring for them under her direction. If she stays silent, she loses.

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  • #130
If he and Melani both had leases it would be understandable that they both kept their separate apartments but hard to believe they would live apart.
Correct, IMO - un-believable. I think it's pretty clear to most people that they didn't just randomly meet in early Nov. on a dating app and marry two weeks later.

This reminds me of one of the greatest benefits of sites like this one - they're a bellwether for public opinion. The verdict is on on Melani and Ian and it's not favorable.
 
  • #131
It occurred to me while reading this, how did Melani already know by the 2nd week in Nov that BB had hired a PI to follow her to Idaho? Who told her about the PI that had just followed her there (using a GPA tracking device) on Nov 4th, and when did they tell her? Also, she seems to be really careful not to mention the trespassing incident that landed her in jail in Utah the 2nd week of Nov. I wonder if the officer visiting her at the Rexburg apts, happened before or after she went to Utah with Alex? She went to Utah with her uncle around the same time frame as the officer coming to ask who lived next door, but she wasn't sure which unit Alex lived in or didn't know for certain who was living in the unit next to her? Huh? o_O I also wonder, was Tylee's Jeep impounded by then? Last I knew, we didn't have the specific date LE located Tylee's Jeep and took it in to be processed, we only know that happened in Nov. Did AxC and Melani possibly take the 2020 Telluride to Utah because they couldn't take the Jeep? And how did Melani know that BB and their kids were in Utah at his parent's house on Nov 12th? Was there a mole feeding her info? Did she hire her own PI? Or could the police have tipped her off about the PI tracking her there when they impounded Tylee's Jeep with a warrant? And if the Jeep was already impounded and she knew that, where did she think Tylee was the 2nd week of Nov? o_O:confused:

The Nov timeline for a refresher: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION
I think she does not mention the trespassing because there are still active charges against her.

As for not knowing who lived in which apartment, that is an obvious lie, especially given that Lori lived right next door!
 
  • #132
Hmm yes, and I listened to the Joseph Scott Morgan podcast that Tricia did, and he said what amounted to the same but coming from the opposite direction: There likely were no grossly evident signs of poisoning, such as characteristic odor.
BUT.. A little part of my mind goes back to JRyan and his supposed cause of death, and makes me wonder--yes, the signs of pathology are present, but were they REALLY for sure the actual cause of death. The "coincidences" are just beyond belief with this group. Moo.
We will never know about Joe Ryan. At this point we only have 1 unexplained death and possibly 1 that we can still call suspicious. AC killed CV but any further action in that case requires connecting Lori (or possibly others) and given their close connection there would need to be more than a smoking gun. So whiel I think Lori and Alex planned CV's death, I do not think we will ever see a prosecution much less a conviction.

That leaves TD. I'll tame my speculation until we know the autopsy results. It certainly seems highly suspicious but I'm not counting on seeing a prosecution there either. Even if they find a poison, it could have been AC. I don't believe that but given the fact we know he killed one person, it is certainly plausible that he did other acts to help L&C. And the "paintball gun" incident is consistent with that theory. So the prosecutor has an uphill battle even if the autopsy shows poisoning.

I would love to know if the coroner has any prior connection to AVOW/PAP/CD!

ETA: Yes, we also have 2 missing kids but I'm not ready to conclude they are dead. If they were put in hiding the charges Lori would face are hardly more serious than a speeding ticket and would be hugely embarrassing to the various jurisdictions in Idaho that have likely spend millions already to pursue a misdemeanor. There must be huge pressure to justify all this. Because with everyone assuming the worst, they look like the good guys. If the kids are shown to be alive and well they will suddenly face a different public view. As politicians I'm sure they are thinking of this.
 
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ETA: Yes, we also have 2 missing kids but I'm not ready to conclude they are dead. If they were put in hiding the charges Lori would face are hardly more serious than a speeding ticket and would be hugely embarrassing to the various jurisdictions in Idaho that have likely spend millions already to pursue a misdemeanor. There must be huge pressure to justify all this. Because with everyone assuming the worst, they look like the good guys. If the kids are shown to be alive and well they will suddenly face a different public view. As politicians I'm sure they are thinking of this.
BBM. If you believe that then it makes even less sense why she's not producing the kids. The kids' disappearance needs to be investigated. They won't charge her with murder without considerable evidence. I see zero backlash for the authorities if the kids turn out to be safe. Everything considered, that chance is miniscule.
 
  • #134
BBM. If you believe that then it makes even less sense why she's not producing the kids. The kids' disappearance needs to be investigated. They won't charge her with murder without considerable evidence. I see zero backlash for the authorities if the kids turn out to be safe. Everything considered, that chance is miniscule.
I totally agree. It is getting increasingly hard to believe they are safe. But she has not actually had any opportunity to present her case yet. Once she got arrested the advice she would have received would be to not say a word for good reason. Even saying the kids are safe could be incriminating at this point. And if they truly are, she will get off with little more that a $1000 fine for lying to the police.

At this point, producing the kids is really no longer an option. But if they trul are safe, producing a video with Tylee saying Hi guys, we're good, my mom did not harm us while holding today's paper could be extremely embarrassing for many.
 
  • #135
But if they trul are safe, producing a video with Tylee saying Hi guys, we're good, my mom did not harm us while holding today's paper could be extremely embarrassing for many.
I think this is akin to wishing Tammy could do the same. Not going to happen, IMO. Nothing was stopping her from showing the kids. She doesn't have to wait until the trial.
 
  • #136
I think this is akin to wishing Tammy could do the same. Not going to happen, IMO. Nothing was stopping her from showing the kids. She doesn't have to wait until the trial.
Lori comes from a family of defying the government on principal. It's not hard for me to believe that she would defy court orders if she had hid them away knowing that ultimately she had committed no serious crime. On the contrary, I find it very hard to believe that she thought she could get away with actual murder.
 
  • #137
Lori comes from a family of defying the government on principal. It's not hard for me to believe that she would defy court orders if she had hid them away knowing that ultimately she had committed no serious crime. On the contrary, I find it very hard to believe that she thought she could get away with actual murder.
I think it's quite the opposite. She thought that she could get away with disappearaing the kids without being held accountable for their care. As for murder, no body - no crime. She wouldn't be the first to think that way. She trusted police well enough when she complained about Charles stealing her purse. She even bragged about having police connections.

To your previous point that her attorney would advise her to keep quiet after getting arrested, why not advise her to comply and get her case thrown out? Instead her attorney argued about single spaced documents in court. Why would she waste a lot of money she doesn't have on lawyers and waste away in jail, separated from her new hubby just to prove a point? What would that point be anyway?

Don't forget that the two Rexburg police officers investigating the missing kids were labeled dark translated beings by Lori and Chad. That's an entirely rational explanation for not trusting the police.
 
  • #138
I think this interview that Nate Eaton did is worth re looking at to understand this group.

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I second this ^^ Well worth re watching knowing what we know now. Some things really stand out rewatching it for a second time.
 
  • #139
We will never know about Joe Ryan. At this point we only have 1 unexplained death and possibly 1 that we can still call suspicious. AC killed CV but any further action in that case requires connecting Lori (or possibly others) and given their close connection there would need to be more than a smoking gun. So whiel I think Lori and Alex planned CV's death, I do not think we will ever see a prosecution much less a conviction.

That leaves TD. I'll tame my speculation until we know the autopsy results. It certainly seems highly suspicious but I'm not counting on seeing a prosecution there either. Even if they find a poison, it could have been AC. I don't believe that but given the fact we know he killed one person, it is certainly plausible that he did other acts to help L&C. And the "paintball gun" incident is consistent with that theory. So the prosecutor has an uphill battle even if the autopsy shows poisoning.

I would love to know if the coroner has any prior connection to AVOW/PAP/CD!

ETA: Yes, we also have 2 missing kids but I'm not ready to conclude they are dead. If they were put in hiding the charges Lori would face are hardly more serious than a speeding ticket and would be hugely embarrassing to the various jurisdictions in Idaho that have likely spend millions already to pursue a misdemeanor. There must be huge pressure to justify all this. Because with everyone assuming the worst, they look like the good guys. If the kids are shown to be alive and well they will suddenly face a different public view. As politicians I'm sure they are thinking of this.
Imo the ramifications are still going to be great even if Lori produces the kids safe. I don’t think she’ll just walk away with a slap on the wrist. True, it might not be as serious as 28 yrs in jail (max penalty combined for the desertion charges) but there’s still things we don’t know about the case. And remember, the prosecution said something about catching her with social security money going to her account that was the kids. Jmo
 
  • #140
I think this interview that Nate Eaton did is worth re looking at to understand this group.

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Thanks for posting this, ohmeomy. I have never seen this, but I have read excerpts. That is an enlightening interview!

The truly relevant discussion IMO has been invaded by the... circuitous narrative from the family since there is a dearth of substantive news at the moment. Although I do feel sorry for her, when I see the name Melani, my reaction is an audible sigh, a huge eye roll :rolleyes:, and an immediate scroll and roll (no offense). I just want her to stfu already.

A huge shout out to Nate and EIN for getting all of these interviews. July 9 can't get here soon enough for me!
 
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