Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #33

[ReadySet]

I could possibly consider that the kids are in hiding if Lori was missing too. The fact that she went off to have fun in Hawaii instead of stay with her kids that are supposed to need protecting to me says, faulty theory.
Are there any other cases where the kids were actually put into hiding but the mom wasn't with them? Maybe there are, I would be interested in reading about those cases.

JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

Anything is possible with this group, but ...

The original context of the Ammon reference (if I'm not mistaken, the screenshot of a purported text from MP to BB) makes it extremely likely that they were talking about the town of Ammon. I think in this case, the simplest explanation is probably the right one.

Agree-- and you pulled me out of the rabbit hole LOL
Although, I did learn a lot while looking into all of this, so there's that.

 

[Spartygirl]

I totally agree. It is getting increasingly hard to believe they are safe. But she has not actually had any opportunity to present her case yet. Once she got arrested the advice she would have received would be to not say a word for good reason. Even saying the kids are safe could be incriminating at this point. And if they truly are, she will get off with little more that a $1000 fine for lying to the police.

At this point, producing the kids is really no longer an option. But if they trul are safe, producing a video with Tylee saying Hi guys, we're good, my mom did not harm us while holding today's paper could be extremely embarrassing for many.

Producing a video with today's date and the kids is too simple.
She should have done that months ago instead of being in jail, awaiting a court date.
I am just speculating as a mom, if I were accused of what she is accused of, and I was truly hiding them , to protect them, from real or imagined threats, I would have done that from the get-go and moved on with my life. JMO

 

[indicolite22]

Nate Eaton of EIN stated on Nancy Grace's podcast recently (link below, after 34:20) that due to the significant amount of evidence, the AG might be able to proceed with Tammy Daybell's case (conspiracy, murder attempt and murder) even without the autopsy results.

Where are the children? As ‘Cult mom’ Lori Vallow stays silent in jail, Nancy Grace weighs in on the fate of missing children Tylee and JJ

 

[Lusitana]

She was hiding Tylee from her father, her father is gone. Who would she be hiding Tylee from right now? As much as I hate to say this, she is not alive.

 

[divineappt]

The thing is she didn't know at the time that it was the police who broke in and took her things. She didn't learn that until later (according to her). So, since she didn't know it was the police then she should have called to find out what was going on. That's my point. But I suspect she did actually believe it was the police and that's why she didn't call them because she wanted to avoid cooperating with them. IMO.

Hmmm, what if someone else in the apt. complex saw it happen and tipped her off?

 

[indicolite22]

I agree that it is unlikely that hide+unveil was part of the Grand Plan, although I think stashing Tylee and JJ was. Then things went wrong (again).

I think the panic started to grow with the realization that the attempt on Brandon's life had been witnessed and really set in with the exhumation of Tammy Daybell. Alex dies and the pressure is off a little but Tammy's death is still a problem. So sometime between 12 Dec and 23 Dec they drop the Grand Plan, lawyer up, and issue the statement the kids are OK. Chad repeats this March 2 after Lori is arrested. Then they come up with the hide+unveil plan, possibly with the support of the same political sympathizers that helped them hide the kids.

All just opinion and speculation on my part.

Why wait to unveil the kids? What do they have to gain? What was the Grand Plan? Lori and Chad moved to Hawaii. When were her kids going to join them?

I think the kids were in the way for multiple reasons. Not only did Lori and Chad wanted to be free, they and Alex also didn't want witnesses in preparation for the attacks on Brandon and Tammy.

 

[divineappt]

Curious how LE could possibly CONFIRM she is pregnant with HIS child. Unless a DNA test was done only MP can confirm that as a fact! Let's face it, one reason for a quick wedding it to explain a pregnancy. Maybe MP was not the good girl she wants us all to believe, hooked up with someone other than IP, then had a serious problem to solve so she found IP and rushed things along so he would think the kid was his.

Just saying, it would be extremely irresponsible for any LEO on the planet to confirm the paternity of her child without a DNA test so I would question the professionalism of any LEO (and agency) who made such a statement.

ETA: typo

I would guess that the only way they confirmed it was by asking her. It has nothing to do with any case, no reason to know AFAIK.

 

[divineappt]

I totally agree. It is getting increasingly hard to believe they are safe. But she has not actually had any opportunity to present her case yet. Once she got arrested the advice she would have received would be to not say a word for good reason. Even saying the kids are safe could be incriminating at this point. And if they truly are, she will get off with little more that a $1000 fine for lying to the police.

At this point, producing the kids is really no longer an option. But if they trul are safe, producing a video with Tylee saying Hi guys, we're good, my mom did not harm us while holding today's paper could be extremely embarrassing for many.

My take on it is, the looooonger she draws it out - good or bad - the more she hurts Kay and Larry and potentially drains money. JMO, she’s crazy enough to “cut off her nose to spite her face “.

 

[Gardener1850]

Yes as always good points. I have kept up most everyday on this site but I do have a question...... do we know why the LE went to their townhomes mid November? I only remember hearing about them going after Kay reported JJ missing...I feel like I am missing something.

We know from the probable cause affidavit that Gilbert PD detective Hermosillo had Lori under intermittent surveillance since November 1st while investigating the attempted murder of BB (see item 7 on page 3 of affidavit): READ: The documents charging Lori Vallow Daybell | East Idaho News

A neighbor that lived on the other side of Lori also said in an interview that police knocked on his door about a week before the welfare check happened: Missing Idaho children’s mom fled the night before FBI raided home, neighbor says

Also, LE hasn't really told us, but I suspect that by mid Nov there was a heavy joint LE investigation into the attempt on BB, the murder of Charles and Tammy's suspicious death. Had Kay not requested the welfare check, who knows how this whole case would have played out, but they were being investigated by multiple LE agencies already at the time that Kay requested a welfare check on JJ. It's no easy thing to get search warrants for 3 residences and the help of the FBI in a typical missing kids case right after the first welfare check of a child who hasn't even been reported missing by a parent. Local LE had warrants and asked for FBI help with the search for JJ immediately once it was clear to them that Lori, Alex and Chad lied to them about JJ's whereabouts and had fled the state of Idaho. I believe that search warrant came together quickly because of all the other investigations that had been going on up to that point.

MOO.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

Melani expects us to believe she found room for six kids????!!!

how big were these apartments, anyway?

This has probably been answered but I believe Lori's apartment was a 3 bedroom, 1400 square feet.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/565-Pioneer-Rd-APT-175-Rexburg-ID-83440/2088542432_zpid/

Credit to Trask for finding that info, I just copied it from an earlier post.

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #17

 

[CSIDreamer]

This has probably been answered but I believe Lori's apartment was a 3 bedroom, 1400 square feet.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/565-Pioneer-Rd-APT-175-Rexburg-ID-83440/2088542432_zpid/

Credit to Trask for finding that info, I just copied it from an earlier post.

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #17

That's a pretty big townhouse isnt it? Jmo

 

[Spartygirl]

I think this interview that Nate Eaton did is worth re looking at to understand this group.

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Thanks for sharing this. I had read her discussion but had not watched it before.
Very Interesting !!
OT-- Are Nate's yellow socks "sponge bob" LOL

 

[Spartygirl]

Curious how LE could possibly CONFIRM she is pregnant with HIS child. Unless a DNA test was done only MP can confirm that as a fact! Let's face it, one reason for a quick wedding it to explain a pregnancy. Maybe MP was not the good girl she wants us all to believe, hooked up with someone other than IP, then had a serious problem to solve so she found IP and rushed things along so he would think the kid was his.

Just saying, it would be extremely irresponsible for any LEO on the planet to confirm the paternity of her child without a DNA test so I would question the professionalism of any LEO (and agency) who made such a statement.

ETA: typo

But what about LVD and CD quickie marriage 2 weeks after TD died?
What about AxC and ZP Quickie marriage ??
Are all the gals Pregnant ??
It is possible MP is PG, but to me, with all the other quickie weddings, doesn't prove it.
I think the ulterior motive for the quickie weddings are way more complex and part of a plan. JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

This is from Justin Lums Facebook (I think I can quote that right?)
Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix
Also here’s the Twitter link
Twitter

Thank you for this info.
Somehow I have missed this YIKES

 

[Spartygirl]

Cult mom Lori Vallow was sued by ex-husband for hiding her daughter | Daily Mail Online

Custody agreement details at:
'Cult mom' Lori Vallow had been sued by her ex-husband for hiding her daughter

I am trying to remember if this was before or after she had met CD but regardless, it shows her obstinate ways of keeping children from their fathers and trying to have "Control" with the kids.
Anti government or not, it shows a pattern, or habit of hers which reflects to the type of person she is.

 

[KonaHonu]

Imo the ramifications are still going to be great even if Lori produces the kids safe. I don’t think she’ll just walk away with a slap on the wrist. True, it might not be as serious as 28 yrs in jail (max penalty combined for the desertion charges) but there’s still things we don’t know about the case. And remember, the prosecution said something about catching her with social security money going to her account that was the kids. Jmo

But if she ultimately produces the kids and had arranged for their support this whole time there would be no social security fraud, no desertion, just lying to the police, which carries a $1000 fine.

 

[Spartygirl]

So say that does happen. Does she even have a leg to stand on to sue after all she’s pulled?

Great question !!
Why wouldn't she just show proof of life before she was arrested instead of making the states of Hawaii and Idaho and Arizona spend time and $$ pursuing the whereabouts of the children ?
Even if she is anti-govt, etc, just show proof to LE and carry on.
It just doesn't make sense to me unless the children are NO longer alive.

 

[cloughman08]

Looking forward, the date is fast approaching for Lori to speak or face the consequences of her silence.

She is facing two felony counts of desertion and non-support, and those charges are no joke - they each carry a 14-year sentence.

Some have mentioned the state has to "prove" their case. Sure, they have to prove their charges, but Lori has to also answer those charges with some semblance of a defense.

If her defense is, "I'm supporting them," she has to show how. If her defense is, she didn't desert them, she has to show who is caring for them under her direction. If she stays silent, she loses.

BTW, I believe Melanie Gibb will be an important witness against her. There is a fascinating social media post out there that shares supposed details of what Melanie has shared with LE to date. If it's true, it's devastating for Lori in this case and perhaps others to be brought.

I also think they will call all the people that have been told by either Lori or Chad that either she did not have kids or that Tylee had been killed. Also with Tylee getting ssa benefits that Lori will need to show some type of proof that Tylee’s money was used for Tylee.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

That's a pretty big townhouse isnt it? Jmo

Seems like a decent size for 3 people. Ours is 1250 and doesn’t feel big enough for the amount of people we have living here.