Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #33

[Anonymous91]

Every year, there are a number of different movements that zero in on a new date - sometimes twice a year.

It'll sweep through the internet and through local church services. Last year, someone I know shared his own prophecy broadly (for rapture in August 2019, he had all kinds of ad hoc reasoning and Bible quotations). He's amassed quite an email base. He literally hounded friends and family, but the people who decided he was right were ones he'd met online.

I think he got the exact date from someone else online, and then added his own "prophecies" to it.

If you are going to prophecy the end of the world, it would be wise to set a date for long after your dead, then no one can prove that your wrong.

Of course the real reason that they choose a date that is so close is that it is a sales pressure tactic. If you pay close attention to when you are being sold stuff, a common tactic is to pressure you to buy on the spot, by saying something like: this is your last chance, today only, sale ends in 3 days, etc. This is to pressure you into buying something now, without taking the time to research it and find what works best for you. This stuff is down to a science.

Same reason, so called prophets, use the tactic too. The World is ending in June 2020, better give me all your money now... Sadly, there are people that fall for this too often, and spend way too much time and money on this nonsense. IMHO I think CD is just taking advantage of these people. I honestly think that he never actually had any NDE, I think that he made it all up, and realized that no one could prove him wrong.

If you think about it, most of us have had some sort of accident, where we could "claim" that we had an Out of Body Experience. Who's going to be able to prove you wrong? Then all you have to do is to sound believable. Well that's easy. All you need to do is read a few NDE books, have a bit of an imagination, now you are an official NDE expert. People want to buy your books, to learn what you know about the other side. I am betting that is exactly what Chad did.

We already know that he has people that hang on every word he says, and believes him. Look at his former mission companions, they totally bought his ghost stories. I'm sure people have been empowering his ego for years, and so he embellishes in this power trip.

Now, he just took it to the next level, when he offed Tammy.

MOO

 

[Onsdag]

I keep meaning to ask. With Alex dead, who is MG so afraid of that she's gone into hiding?

Jmo

Just how dangerous is this group? I suppose that would depend on how widespread the bad actors have become within the group, and just how low they are willing to go to protect themselves and their own kind from becoming exposed. I strongly suspect there are more bad actors within the group (the broader psuedo-religious prepper movement, of which Chad and Lori were only a part) than we've been made privy to thus far. Furthermore, the evidence seems to suggest that the premeditated killing of one's own spouse and/or possibly children is not unthinkable, at least for some members of this group.

 

[Spartygirl]

Has anybody read MB's book Released in sept 2019?

Feel the Fire Paperback – September 17, 2019
by Melanie Gibb

Oh.. was this published by CD ???
He was a publisher and I remember reading she worked with him to get some books published.

 

[KonaHonu]

Just how dangerous is this group? I suppose that would depend on how widespread the bad actors have become within the group, and just how low they are willing to go to protect themselves and their own kind from becoming exposed. I strongly suspect there are more bad actors within the group (the broader psuedo-religious prepper movement, of which Chad and Lori were only a part) than we've been made privy to thus far. Furthermore, the evidence seems to suggest that the premeditated killing of one's own spouse and/or possibly children is not unthinkable, at least for some members of this group.

What if Tammy was killed as a warning to Chad? From what we heard in one of Nate's pieces, Chad/AVOW led many people to give up their life savings prepping. That would be enough to make enemies.

Do I think that is what happened? No. But this case is like a plate of spaghetti. Nothing is what it appears. We were all convinced Alex was killed to clean up a loose end.

I spent today in a rabbit hole that I stumbled into. I think I can post the gist of it because it involves a sleuthable person but I know I can't post the significant facts because they would implicate unsleuthables. I'll just say that it involves some potential mob connections for another person (not BB as has already been alleged). Maybe not the mob but potential money laundering.

 

[Anonymous91]

“These people go to the temple and make promises to be together,” Amber said. “They pray about it and feel like they are getting answers.”

In interviews with other former members of these groups, some said things went beyond just temple trips. One east Idaho man, who asked not to be identified, told EastIdahoNews.com that during his time in a group, he was approached by someone who claimed to have received personal revelation that he was supposed to marry the man’s wife.

Good thing that it wasn't me. I would have had a revelation to beat the man senseless, right then and there. JMO

How this group is buying into this is beyond unbelievable. However, this does sound a bit familiar to me. This sounds like similar arguments I read about in early LDS church history (e.g. Cochranites), I wonder if this is where this group got this nonsense from in the first place.

These teachings are definitely dangerous. This does answer the question of why there has been so many divorces and quicky marriages with this bunch, which was a bit of a head scratcher up until now. This is a good way to destroy families, that's for sure.

MOO

 

[cb73]

A comment on Charles, and money--or lack of.

If Charles were a good financial advisor, he'd know how to invest sums in entities that weren't immediately available. Have you ever seen those tv commercials talking about invest with so-and-so because he can protect your money and still get you signed up with Medicaid or whatever free program you don't actually qualify for?

Charles could have multiple assets in a variety of places.

As far as Lori saying he "wasn't good with money." Hmmm---if I had a partner that spent every dime as fast as it came in, I'd probably start making comments about not having money when they asked.

Or it could just be that Lori truly did spend every dime as fast as he made it and he really did have very little money left when he died.

Whichever it turns out, I feel very sad for Charles.

 

[indicolite22]

Other message boards aren't approved sources here.

 

[StrangerThanFiction]

If she would have gotten a substantial amount of money in a divorce, she should be in possession of it since his death. For that and other reasons, I think their finances might have been in poorer shape than the outward appearances would suggest.

Which would explain why Charles (and perhaps Tammy) were worth more dead than alive....

 

[StrangerThanFiction]

I keep meaning to ask. With Alex dead, who is MG so afraid of that she's gone into hiding?

Jmo

Hope Nate asked her that very question...

 

[Onsdag]

What if Tammy was killed as a warning to Chad? From what we heard in one of Nate's pieces, Chad/AVOW led many people to give up their life savings prepping. That would be enough to make enemies.

Do I think that is what happened? No. But this case is like a plate of spaghetti. Nothing is what it appears. We were all convinced Alex was killed to clean up a loose end.

I spent today in a rabbit hole that I stumbled into. I think I can post the gist of it because it involves a sleuthable person but I know I can't post the significant facts because they would implicate unsleuthables. I'll just say that it involves some potential mob connections for another person (not BB as has already been alleged). Maybe not the mob but potential money laundering.

BBM.

I have never seen anything that would justify such a thought. Especially when looking at Chads activities before and after her passing. When someone is threatened there is a natural fight or flight response. Let's say, for example, that the paintball incident was a veiled threat to Chad that someone was going to kill Tammy if he didn't toe the line. What should be Chad's natural response? Either remove himself from the situation and take his family into hiding immediately (flight), and/or call the police and take measures to protect himself and family (fight). So what did happen? Chad didn't go into hiding, that's for certain. And while the police were called to come investigate, from the news reports I've seen it is suggested that Tammy may have been the one to call the police (she also posted a warning on facebook to others). If Chad knew or suspected a real threat against his wife and family at that time he should have informed the officers and pressed them for help. Instead it is reported that when the police do show up to investigate "“There wasn’t anything there at the time we could do and everybody kind of summed it up as a prank,” Humphries said" (East Idaho News).

Furthermore, after Tammy did die, and again if it was indeed a direct threat, then his actions should have been commensurate with the threat. There is absolutely no indication from Chad that he felt threatened in the slightest. He didn't flee or warn his children and their spouses to get out of Dodge. Nor did he arm himself and family, call the police and tell them of the threats, or fight back against any threat - real or perceived. Instead he puts on a show of mourning for Tammy, declines an autopsy to find out COD, happily collects on her life insurance, has a rushed and abnormal funeral/burial, tries to liquidate his house and business but his children convince him not to, and then quickly flies off to Hawaii and hurriedly remarries the true love of his (past) life, Lori Cox _____(?) Lagioia Ryan Vallow Daybell, formerly known as Mary French, the wife of Robert Smith, Jr., formerly known as _____(?) , the wife of the Prophet Moroni, formerly known as Elena, the wife of James the Just (that's Chad!), formerly known as Lania, daughter of Methuselah (Whew! That's got to be a record of some kind!).

The times that I have seen Chad scared all involve LE. When the police came looking for the children he got real scared, and at first tried to feign ignorance, and then tried to flee the scene. And when that failed he called MG up and tried to get her to lie for him and Lori and/or obstruct the police investigation. And when he was able to send police on a wild goose chase he then immediately lawyered up, fled to California/Hawaii, and left his children and their families to deal with the dumpster fire he had helped create. And he was definitely afraid and nervous when police finally tracked him and Lori down and showed up on scene with search warrants and court orders, followed by news media hounding them asking where the kids were. He was again scared when he apparently tried to flee Hawaii to Mexico, but got spooked when the news media again showed up on scene and started asking questions like where they were going. I could go on, but what would be the point? Chad doesn't appear to be scared or threatened by any member or former member of his 'group.' Rather, he appears to be scared that justice and the long arm of the law is finally catching up to him. JMO.

 

[Colorado303]

I have actually been wondering about the thinking of the Gilbert (or is it Chandler) PD. I don't think they have any reason to be biased or to manipulate the story. But I had to wonder why that footage was release now. Perhaps it was due to a media request. Most police departments have policies on this kind of release and those policies are usually obtainable. It would be interesting if a sleuther could find those and post them. I'd be curious if teh release was within policy or was an exception.

Hoping they did not release it now because they consider the investigation over. But in my experience it’s odd to release body cam footage in an ongoing investigation. Can anyone remember a case where it was?

 

[divineappt]

Oh.. was this published by CD ???
He was a publisher and I remember reading she worked with him to get some books published.

Amazon info says Gibb Publishing (September 17, 2019)

 

[divineappt]

What if Tammy was killed as a warning to Chad? From what we heard in one of Nate's pieces, Chad/AVOW led many people to give up their life savings prepping. That would be enough to make enemies.

Do I think that is what happened? No. But this case is like a plate of spaghetti. Nothing is what it appears. We were all convinced Alex was killed to clean up a loose end.

I spent today in a rabbit hole that I stumbled into. I think I can post the gist of it because it involves a sleuthable person but I know I can't post the significant facts because they would implicate unsleuthables. I'll just say that it involves some potential mob connections for another person (not BB as has already been alleged). Maybe not the mob but potential money laundering.

BBM. Except that Chad told many for years that Tammy was going to die soon and had no remorse regarding such death. (Paraphrased by me (PBM) )

 

[nhmemorymaker]

We don't know what assets Charles had. Mormons are savers and Charles was a financial advisor nearing retirement. It makes no sense to me that he was broke, but maybe he was. If she divorced him she would also likely get substantial alimony.

I believe they were a couple at the time but we really don't know when Lori turned from fan-girl to concubine.

I think you are misreading Charles, as married to Lori. She drained him. Bankruptcies, debts in Texas, ..... she drained him. And financial advisors are not necessarily the best models! Madoff tops our list.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

April said it. IIRC, it was in the Dateline interview of April.

But this was the "new spiritual" for Lori. Kay had said that Charles was very true and active with his conversion to Mormonism.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

And why is BB in hiding with his kids? This might be a small, but deadly cult. If anyone knows that it's BB and MG. Chad and Lori might have some minions left in Arizona willing to finish Alex's job. If I were IP, I'd be worried.

I think BB needs to protect his kids from Melani. She did go to jail trying to get them back. There are still friends out there, and some could be coming from Barry's side....

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I keep meaning to ask. With Alex dead, who is MG so afraid of that she's gone into hiding?

Jmo

i keep thinking Parrett.... just because he has been supportive of Chad, and he is shady moomoomoo.

But back then...everything was just starting to break, and if she had gone to LE with everything, I am sure she was looking over her shoulder with every step... more of the dust has settled now...so she won't be hounded by every news sourse out there...

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Amazon info says Gibb Publishing (September 17, 2019)

anybody can self publish ...and they hang around on amazon forever.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

BBM. Except that Chad told many for years that Tammy was going to die soon and had no remorse regarding such death. (Paraphrased by me (PBM) )

I don't think it "was years", but more clarification would be helpful if anyone remembers when JR first mentioned it. ...

I really have always felt the move to Rexford woke up ol middle-aged Chad to start to feel like the super fab ladies man that he truly is...

As @GiGi has mentioned, he may have had his eyes on Melanie at one point too...

Sometimes, when I just "dwell" on Chad in my head, and think of all his premeditation... I just get more and more angry at the sob.

 

[divineappt]

I don't think it "was years", but more clarification would be helpful if anyone remembers when JR first mentioned it. ...

I really have always felt the move to Rexford woke up ol middle-aged Chad to start to feel like the super fab ladies man that he truly is...

As @GiGi has mentioned, he may have had his eyes on Melanie at one point too...

Sometimes, when I just "dwell" on Chad in my head, and think of all his premeditation... I just get more and more angry at the sob.

BBM Thanks for asking. This is one of the places I found.

Chad Daybell had a “vision” his wife Tammy would die, friend says

“There was a three year period of time where Rowe would visit Daybell and his wife in their Rexburg home at least once a month.

Daybell and Rowe often talked about a vision they both had years ago where angels told them Tammy would die.

“He was emotionally distraught, he was crying and he said that his angels had told him that he was going to lose Tammy,” said Rowe.”