Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[Knox]

But the core of their belief system, which is what their criminal behavior revolves around, has at this point been articulated by four separate, independent parties: CV through his divorce documents and what he told KW; the information found on IPs computer from what Melani told him; MG's in-depth interview; and the emails between Chad and Lori themselves. How can anyone possibly deny that they really did espouse these beliefs about people being zombies that were in the way and needed to be killed?
Edit to clarify: Not necessarily believe the ideas, but certainly used them to justify their actions to get what they wanted. I'm still on the fence like so many others whether they truly believe it.

Simply put, their beliefs were a sham which vindicated their unGodly actions and behavior.

MG shared Lori thought world devastation was to occur at the end of 2019. They would never be held accountable, because what happened to Charles, Tammy, Tylee and JJ would be invisible to a world busy coping with natural disasters.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Nail on the head. IMO.

I personally feel that Lori and Melanie were on the same plane with what they believed about the future. I don't think it was the "visions" that Melanie had any trouble with...... I just think she came around through her own base in LDS to feel that Chads teachings of light and dark and zombies went too far, but only AFTER she was sucked into the lies about JJ. She was too accepting of a totally cheating wife, who turned all these other people against Charles for her lies, and that Tammy was going to die. jmo... but i believe her real definition of what is right and wrong was still in the koolaid.

 

[Daylily]

MG has tears for Lori, but none for her kids. Weird.

I guess I can kind of understand it in a way. If the kids are deceased, they are ok and no longer in harm’s way. Lori still has to answer to the law, God, and herself for her actions. The salvation of her soul is in serious jeopardy, which would be devastating to anyone who loves her. Death is sad, and these ones especially tragic, but their souls are fine. If Lori truly believed she was following God (however that worked out in her mind), she will have a lot to come to terms with if she snaps out of it and realizes what horrible, irreversible actions she took in her delusions. No one likes to watch the ones they love struggle, even when they deserve it.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I'm totally out of the loop on the whole (not-much-of-a)prepper, end-of-times, zombies part of this case. But I feel like it's all just one big weird excuse they tried to proffer to others to legitimize their affair and an even bigger lie they told themselves.

Someone mentioned earlier that there is pathology in both of these families, and I think that's true. Chad was a very unsatisfied person and he has been spinning yarns for a long time to cover his insecurities. And then he found himself a cheerleader.

Pretty much the same in my head.... quite honestly they were both pretty much "losers".. until they met and the rapture happened.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Part 3: Melanie Gibb discusses mysterious deaths, an earthquake, confronting Chad and Lori and her message for them now | East Idaho News

Part 3 Impression:
I am not sure still what to think of Melanie Gibb. Yes, she might be telling the truth on things but, she is also protecting a lot of detail. She speaks using what I would call religious /LDS lingo to sound almost like a victim or a martyr. The part about saying people "passed away" instead of saying killed or murdered she uses several times almost trying to convince herself it wasnt that bad. I find her trying to project herself as naive when she knew full well an affair was going on. I think she still believes things Chad was promoting as "Doctrine" is real. She calls Chad a good guy and a nice man at the end...Totally my own opinion..but lets see how she is when she takes the stand against her friends.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I've been accused of putting forth wild hypotheses but usually only because they are not consistent with teh echo chamber here. So here is a wild hypothesis...

Maybe AC was supposed to kill CV in a car wreck somewhere on his way back to Gilbert in January 2019. When it did not happen, Lori left, stayed with AC and that's what led to the "disgraced the family" fight in the street. Then Lori gives him a second chance, goes to Hawaii and tells April she thinks CV is going to die (i. e., AC has been assigned to kill him while she is in Hawaii).

I know everyone here wants AC to be a killer. But reports from people who knew him say he was a gentle soul and not a killer. There was a poster here who knew him from the Phoenix comedy circuit but I think she left because of all the disparagement of AC. MG also said be was kind and pious.

Not sure what you mean by "wild hypothesis".... there has always been strong belief that AC was supposed to kill Charles in January, and lots of folks agree with the statement that that was probably why Loris said "disgraced the family" thingy... So what is the wild hypothesis?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Totally agree!

triple agree.

 

[April_Dawn99]

Regardless of how or why it all started, what is their end game? The eyes of thousands of people and multiple law enforcement agencies are on them. Their lives will never be the same no matter the outcome. I think whether there are more charges or not, Chad & Lori will hold out until the July end of the world. (Even if anyone is not charged with murder, it would be well past July before there is a conclusion.) When that date comes and goes, one of them will look at the other and go, "What now?" and probably start pointing fingers and making deals. JMO

Well, if they truly believe all this nonsense, then JMO what they feel/think/rationalize right now most probably is that everything goes according to the *God's* plan. As Jesus suffered, so they, the *Holy Ghost* (as CD named himself) and *god* Lori are suffering, according to this plan, while every zombie around them tortures them (and MG is Judas of course, in fact now they start to see that she was one of those 2 dark translated female beings). And they will show everyone in the end how they will ascend to heaven when July 22nd comes, and will prove all those unbelievers how right they (CD and LV) were, and how wrong were all those sinners condemning them, but it will be too late and they will just look at those sinners from above while sinners are being tortured
(Or maybe it's just LV who still thinks like that to rationalize herself; not CD - because CD knows he made all this BS up himself)

 

[Nurse Gen]

I imagine that knowledge is going to be painful and difficult for MG to have to live with for the rest of her life.

I certainly hope that's the case.

My mind just doesn't hold on to those concerns about Melanie when I'm imagining how painful and difficult it will be for Kay and Larry to live with missing JJ and Charles for the rest of their lives. How painful and difficult for JJ; for Tylee; for Charles and for Tammy to endure what we know they must have endured. JMO

 

[indicolite22]

Simply put, their beliefs were a sham which vindicated their unGodly actions and behavior.

MG shared Lori thought world devastation was to occur at the end of 2019. They would never be held accountable, because what happened to Charles, Tammy, Tylee and JJ would be invisible to a world busy coping with natural disasters.

Alex's wife's responsibility in the group was to prepare earthquakes. She failed, so it must be partly her fault that Lori is in jail. I wonder what she's up to now?

 

[April_Dawn99]

Alex's wife's responsibility in the group was to prepare earthquakes. She failed, so it must be partly her fault that Lori is in jail. I wonder what she's up to now?

Not enough malachite, probably; don't blame her

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Part 3: Melanie Gibb discusses mysterious deaths, an earthquake, confronting Chad and Lori and her message for them now | East Idaho News

Part 3 Impression:
I am not sure still what to think of Melanie Gibb. Yes, she might be telling the truth on things but, she is also protecting a lot of detail. She speaks using what I would call religious /LDS lingo to sound almost like a victim or a martyr. The part about saying people "passed away" instead of saying killed or murdered she uses several times almost trying to convince herself it wasnt that bad. I find her trying to project herself as naive when she knew full well an affair was going on. I think she still believes things Chad was promoting as "Doctrine" is real. She calls Chad a good guy and a nice man at the end...Totally my own opinion..but lets see how she is when she takes the stand against her friends.

There are so many times that people don't want to talk about the religion thing. And yet we keep coming back to it. The added discussions about the underwear, the endowment, the temples etc, are actually quite informative. (Again, I forget who posted the video on the Temple in Rome, so I cannot acknowledge.... but it was an extremely well done and informative video). But i know LDS folks keep wanting to say they are irrelevant. But they are interesting. And they are strong .

And now after listening to Melanie for a long time here...I feel they are very important to the case. I know I can be quoted for always saying "lust and greed", but there IS something within the LDS teachings and these end-of-times teachings that do connect. Melanie's faith accepted a lot of this before she couldn't face the truth about JJ. Her faith is the one thing getting her through all this now. And I am pre-tty sure those scriptures and hymns in the jail are from the mainstream.

 

[indicolite22]

Well, if they truly believe all this nonsense, then JMO what they feel/think right now most probably is that everything goes according to the *God's* plan. As Jesus suffered, so they, the Holy Ghost (as CD named himself) and *god* Lori are suffering, according to this plan, while every zombie around them tortures them (and MG is Judas of course, in fact now they start to see that she was one of those 2 dark translated female beings). And they will show everyone in the end how they will ascend to heaven when July 22nd comes, and will prove all those unbelievers how right they (CD and LV) were, and how wrong were all those sinners condemning them, but it will be too late and they will just look at those sinners from above while sinners are being tortured
(Or maybe it's just LV who still thinks like that to rationalize herself; not CD - because CD knows he made all this BS up himself)

Of course the whole world is against Lori, because she's a translated being and so important. After MG's interview I think a suicide pact might not be off the table if things become too desperate for her and Chad.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yes. It's pretty simple IMO. If someone calls you and tells you "if police call, don't pick up the phone", and it's not a practical joke but it actually makes your heart sink into your stomach because you've already noted strange things happening, then what a reasonable person would do is pick up the phone and call police! Because what your gut has been telling you is right!

MG was "sucked in", as she says, but it's no excuse IMO.

I do not think she was totally sucked in at all. I think she went along with a great deal of it. I think she was selectively naive, even while it was going on, but she knows much more. We could all see how conveniently Nate agreed to leave Jason Mow out of it, and he knows a lot more as well. She basically said she "knew Tammy was going to die, and Tammy would be fine with it".

But I can see why she was not forthcoming with the police from the get-go... She was concerned about Melanie's butt, but she also really did love these two people. I try to put myself in her exact shoes... and I think I would blurt it all out to police more because I cannot lie even if I want to... I would probably get all blubbbery but still think "my friends are going to be so angry with me"...

 

[Ohmeohmy]

There are so many times that people don't want to talk about the religion thing. And yet we keep coming back to it. The added discussions about the underwear, the endowment, the temples etc, are actually quite informative. (Again, I forget who posted the video on the Temple in Rome, so I cannot acknowledge.... but it was an extremely well done and informative video). But i know LDS folks keep wanting to say they are irrelevant. But they are interesting. And they are strong .

And now after listening to Melanie for a long time here...I feel they are very important to the case. I know I can be quoted for always saying "lust and greed", but there IS something within the LDS teachings and these end-of-times teachings that do connect. Melanie's faith accepted a lot of this before she couldn't face the truth about JJ. Her faith is the one thing getting her through all this now. And I am pre-tty sure those scriptures and hymns in the jail are from the mainstream.

I think Chad and his doctrine weaved back and forth within what we actually believe in the LDS Church. I still wonder how big this community is as they are sitting around dissecting scripture and interpreting it to fit Chad as a visionary man with a gift. This is all so bizarre and more than that...EVIL

 

[indicolite22]

I asked earlier if she had children, is MG married?

DBM. Probably not allowed.

 

[scapa]

I think Chad and his doctrine weaved back and forth within what we actually believe in the LDS Church. I still wonder how big this community is as they are sitting around dissecting scripture and interpreting it to fit Chad as a visionary man with a gift. This is all so bizarre and more than that...EVIL

Yep. Much as I find the descriptors she uses tiresome, there's a ring of truth in the NG "cult-mom" moniker that goes beyond "fringe beliefs" (well, maybe not so much truth in the "mom" bit). Maybe the more LDS mainstream beliefs provide an important backdrop of source material here that also, IMO, has a group-protective function. You think we're crazy for believing in zombies and grades of light and dark and X and Y? But we're doing spiritual work and these are honest revelations, just like those received by Prominent LDS Figure Y and Z -- see? It may be confounding and disturbing for you, reluctant newbie or sceptical non-group member, but such is the fruit of prophecy. It has costs. But you can trust our Prophet CD, because after all he's a well-known LDS member, speaker and author.

So MG and others are attracted by the charismatic variant but also have more familiar and comforting LDS traditions referenced by CD and LVD to cling to even as the scarier ones give them pause. And suddenly they're over the wall, too.

Maybe the group draws on, but wildly exceeds, traditional and even fringe doctrine. Jones was a noted preacher, Koresh knew his scripture backwards, Manson played on his Hippie Jesus/wilderness prophet cred even as he laid the groundwork for his kill squads. I feel like this pattern -- a more mainstream, traditional belief system makes the wilder offshoots a more attractive, less frightening prospect. But as the group evolves they're left behind and the zombies/missions are not only dominant, but all that's left. JOM/MOO -- I really know zilch about this stuff.

 

[155etta]

I am right there with you-- unbelievable-- but shouldn't surprise us with this group. Just GAG

Side Note-- I know there is nothing funny about having 2 missing children and innocent people dying however I asked myself a few times while watching Nate's interview with MG how he can hold back from laughing at some of the things discussed.
I don't mean laughing at the deaths, but just at the whole belief system and strange and crazy things that were said.
I don't know If I could have kept a straight face, which is why he is good at what he does.

I didn't have much patience with MG's overused answer of " I thought, hmm, well that's different" or "Hmm, that's unusual" when asked by Nate about the whacked-out beliefs of Chad and Lori when they were exposing MG to them. Just no. Not different. Not unusual. Bat crazy.

Edit: spelling

 

[indicolite22]

I didn't have much patience with MG's overused answer of " I thought, hmm,well that's different." Or "Hmm, that's unusual." When asked by Nate about the whacked out beliefs of Chad and Lori when they were exposing MG to them. Just no. Not different. Not Unusual. Bat crap crazy.

IIRC, IP had a similar initial reaction and he's still hanging around.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

There are so many times that people don't want to talk about the religion thing. And yet we keep coming back to it. The added discussions about the underwear, the endowment, the temples etc, are actually quite informative. (Again, I forget who posted the video on the Temple in Rome, so I cannot acknowledge.... but it was an extremely well done and informative video). But i know LDS folks keep wanting to say they are irrelevant. But they are interesting. And they are strong .

And now after listening to Melanie for a long time here...I feel they are very important to the case. I know I can be quoted for always saying "lust and greed", but there IS something within the LDS teachings and these end-of-times teachings that do connect. Melanie's faith accepted a lot of this before she couldn't face the truth about JJ. Her faith is the one thing getting her through all this now. And I am pre-tty sure those scriptures and hymns in the jail are from the mainstream.

Even having left the LDS church over 20 ago, I still remember the song that was based on this scripture:
In the Book of Mormon, in 2 Nephi 28, we read: “For behold, thus saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have” (2 Nephi 28:30, emphasis added).
‘Line upon Line, Precept upon Precept’ (2 Nephi 28:30)
Im pretty sure these self-appointed false prophets, authors, speakers, organizers who prey upon people's desire to feel "special" and "included" frequently use this to justify their new revelations, to make others question their belief systems, and otherwise bully anyone who questions them. So within that framework, MG was (and still is) susceptible to falling for doctrine taught outside of mainstream LDS teachings. Moo.