Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[MsJosie]

Imo it’s a huge conflict of interest but I’m not a lawyer so my opinion may not mean much. I liked what someone else mentioned how it’s about power for Chad. I can see that being the case here. All jmo

perhaps once things heat up, more charges file, gets to the point there is going to be a serious trial (to us not to those two) the courts/Judge(s) will say they need 2 separate lawyers.

 

[Spartygirl]

From the interview with MG it seems like the "inner circle" was Chad, Lori, AC, MP, ZP, and MG. Correct?

Now if MB was so frightened she went into hiding, it seems MP and ZP either stayed on board or they're clueless.

Opinions?

Edit: I had initials wrong.

BBM--do you mean MG?? LOL
Also, while I agree these are the main players in this "Inner Circle", I believe there are a few more whose names or "initials" have been floating around here that we can add also.

 

[CSIDreamer]

BBM--do you mean MG?? LOL
Also, while I agree these are the main players in this "Inner Circle", I believe there are a few more whose names or "initials" have been floating around here that we can add also.

Yes. I had too many initials! I thought I caught them all after RS got me lol. What a mess. Jmo

 

[wenwe4]

Any word of plans to put LV on suicide watch on 7/22/2020? (or whatever date it was she declared)

 

[arizonamomoffour]

I have not been able to respond lately, so this is directed toward the "theory" Lori is "hiding the kids to protect them" because Lori is such a "great " Mom. I ask this, why would any LOVING, "Great Mom" deprive her children of "her love and guidance" ? Parent love is the most important gift to your children.

 

[arizonamomoffour]

I have not been able to respond lately, so this is directed toward the "theory" Lori is "hiding the kids to protect them" because Lori is such a "great " Mom. I ask this, why would any LOVING, "Great Mom" deprive her children of "her love and guidance" ? Parent love is the most important gift to your children.

Lori had custody of the kids, so alleged "abuse" from someone else ? Not there

 

[Secretly a Secretary]

For those that have followed a lot more cases than I have: how concerning is it that Lori and Chad were using burner phones? I have always believed their digital footprints would leave a long trail but now reconsidering. What can be tracked/traced from a burner phone?

 

[scapa]

Crime Talk from Scott Reisch

Lori Vallow Update

Hmm. I watched a few minutes of this. Gotta say, it felt a li'l bit like 80s-era Bill Gates was trying to hard-sell me a subscription to one of his sponsors, while sweetening the pot by harvesting some basic info from a few case threads here. JMO, bien sur.

For those of you following the MG (not MB/P, as I now finally understand) interviews, do you see them shedding any useful light on the possible whereabouts or fates of JJ and Tylee?

 

[AbbeyBabbey]

I believe that the reason Chad Daybell wanted to maintain his "temple recommend" is that it is a "status symbol" in an LDS community/network. If you lose it, especially when you had one before, it can have subtle social and business ramifications. And not so subtle.

Maybe not understood by folks who don't live in a very LDS environment. It is huge.

Can someone explain something to me, please? Mickey? I am not understanding the difference between "church" and "temple". Lori stopped going to church but still went to temple. Is "church" the service and "temple" the building? Or are they two separate things? I thought I read that there were "rooms"? within the temple and that there are people there who "direct"? people to appropriate rooms/areas/some other private space? Confused...

 

[Redvines86]

Tylee and Alex, probably, plus CD's children maybe too. The temple staff must know them pretty well also as they went so often. Seems like he was at the Rexburg Temple with Tammy and the Mesa Temple with Lori.

There's a lot of the temple attendance information that is hearsay, by that I mean if Lori really ever went, but the temple staff changes all the time and you can go often but never see the same people working there. MOO

 

[mickey2942]

Can someone explain something to me, please? Mickey? I am not understanding the difference between "church" and "temple". Lori stopped going to church but still went to temple. Is "church" the service and "temple" the building? Or are they two separate things? I thought I read that there were "rooms"? within the temple and that there are people there who "direct"? people to appropriate rooms/areas/some other private space? Confused...

Since that really veers away from the topic of the missing children, I won't go into detail. I am sure that information is available on websites that explain the LDS faith and practices.

 

[SteelCity91]

For those that have followed a lot more cases than I have: how concerning is it that Lori and Chad were using burner phones? I have always believed their digital footprints would leave a long trail but now reconsidering. What can be tracked/traced from a burner phone?

From what I gather with MG interview that she didn't have a "burner" phone. MG described it as 3 phones that looked the same. So I took that as 3 iPhones or Android devices. MOO

 

[mickey2942]

Yes. I had too many initials! I thought I caught them all after RS got me lol. What a mess. Jmo

Yeah, at this point, I am waiting for the book. Maybe there will even be a movie. The whole entire situation is beyond weird. And I really wonder if the missing kids are just the tip of the ice berg.

 

[cloughman08]

"Anyone who deprived her of something she wanted deserved what he got." - Jim Thompson, The Grifters.

After listening to the interview all I could think of is how off the track everything is and that this is truly a convoluted cluster f... I mean how does this go from asking for LE to do a wellness check up on two children to discovering a fanatic new or enhanced order type of religion/cult, zombies, dead spouses, relatives, all leading up to the end of times supposed to sometime in July of this year. To be clear of course this is all my MOO. Could this have all started because Chad was unhappy with his life for a long time and that his book writing and religion inspired him to create a new made up reality? That all the stuff from the beginning to the end goal being just one huge crazy as hell out of the box plan to dispose of spouses and any other persons to get the life and wife he felt he deserved? Lori most likely has been a chameleon her whole life and has been able to successfully tuck away her true colors away from the majority of the people surrounding herself until she found the one person who matches her true identity. If what little of what we have heard from Melanie and others have shared about Lori and Chad's belief then it it is really hard to believe that the children are alive or well. If Lori and Chad truly believed that they have been called upon to find and lead the 144,000, this would be priority #1 and that fear of others threatening the children would be a mute point in the grander scheme of things thus circling back to my conclusion of this being one crazy out of the box plan of murder and greed. So I hope they get everything they deserve.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Can someone explain something to me, please? Mickey? I am not understanding the difference between "church" and "temple". Lori stopped going to church but still went to temple. Is "church" the service and "temple" the building? Or are they two separate things? I thought I read that there were "rooms"? within the temple and that there are people there who "direct"? people to appropriate rooms/areas/some other private space? Confused...

LDS temples: Temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
LDS Church: What to Expect at Latter-day Saint Church Services

Church buildings where you attend on Sunday are open to everyone. Temples are usually open to those who are worthy temple holders. Both are sacred buildings but set apart for different purposes.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

A few extra questions I have, some may have been answered before just hoping to revisit these:

Have we heard anything more from Colby?

Did Chad own any extra property? I think someone said it was just the home here in the Rexburg area right?

Would anyone in this group own any kind of property that’s more secluded? Any frequent places they’d use as rentals (besides what we know from Hawaii)?

 

[AbbeyBabbey]

LDS temples: Temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
LDS Church: What to Expect at Latter-day Saint Church Services

Church buildings where you attend on Sunday are open to everyone. Temples are usually open to those who are worthy temple holders. Both are sacred buildings but set apart for different purposes.

Thank you. That's the simple answer that I needed.

 

[cloughman08]

Yeah, at this point, I am waiting for the book. Maybe there will even be a movie. The whole entire situation is beyond weird. And I really wonder if the missing kids are just the tip of the ice berg.

I am thinking this has all the makings of a Netflix documentary.

 

[nyvictoria]

After listening to the interview all I could think of is how off the track everything is and that this is truly a convoluted cluster f... I mean how does this go from asking for LE to do a wellness check up on two children to discovering a fanatic new or enhanced order type of religion/cult, zombies, dead spouses, relatives, all leading up to the end of times supposed to sometime in July of this year. To be clear of course this is all my MOO. Could this have all started because Chad was unhappy with his life for a long time and that his book writing and religion inspired him to create a new made up reality? That all the stuff from the beginning to the end goal being just one huge crazy as hell out of the box plan to dispose of spouses and any other persons to get the life and wife he felt he deserved? Lori most likely has been a chameleon her whole life and has been able to successfully tuck away her true colors away from the majority of the people surrounding herself until she found the one person who matches her true identity. If what little of what we have heard from Melanie and others have shared about Lori and Chad's belief then it it is really hard to believe that the children are alive or well. If Lori and Chad truly believed that they have been called upon to find and lead the 144,000, this would be priority #1 and that fear of others threatening the children would be a mute point in the grander scheme of things thus circling back to my conclusion of this being one crazy out of the box plan of murder and greed. So I hope they get everything they deserve.

BBM and MOO
Excellent post and I agree. A perfect storm of dissatisfaction and greed. I doubt there’s a scintilla of true belief in anything but feeding their egos.

 

[KonaHonu]

LDS temples: Temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
LDS Church: What to Expect at Latter-day Saint Church Services

Church buildings where you attend on Sunday are open to everyone. Temples are usually open to those who are worthy temple holders. Both are sacred buildings but set apart for different purposes.

I'm not LDS so some of this talk about what L&C may have been doing in the temples confused me. I have avoided asking for an explanation because it has been said that temple activities are not to be discussed. I found a very informative video made by the LDS church here: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/rome-italy-temple-virtual-tour?lang=eng

I had pictured a bunch of rooms where people could have private ceremonies that may have allowed C&L to meet clandestinely. The video shows it is not like that at all but rather a place where people may go to reflect and pray as well. I hope this helps others have a better picture of what the inside of the temple might be like.