Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[Drc40]

So where is that?

My guess, her home in Arizona.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

There are members of the LDS faith all over but geographically speaking, the Rexburg temple would have visitors from Ashton, St Anthony, Sugar, Teton, and others (these are surrounding cities where other LDS members may be but they do not have a temple in their city).

No, I got that ...but I think you are saying that you might not know as much about people's business because there are many visitors from outside Rexburg??

 

[nhmemorymaker]

dbm

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Sorry , I meant CD (Chad)
Sometimes when I get typing fast, I mix up my letters LOL

I should have figured that though...duh... all I had to do was turn the letters around...

 

[nhmemorymaker]

After listening to the interview all I could think of is how off the track everything is and that this is truly a convoluted cluster f... I mean how does this go from asking for LE to do a wellness check up on two children to discovering a fanatic new or enhanced order type of religion/cult, zombies, dead spouses, relatives, all leading up to the end of times supposed to sometime in July of this year. To be clear of course this is all my MOO. Could this have all started because Chad was unhappy with his life for a long time and that his book writing and religion inspired him to create a new made up reality? That all the stuff from the beginning to the end goal being just one huge crazy as hell out of the box plan to dispose of spouses and any other persons to get the life and wife he felt he deserved? Lori most likely has been a chameleon her whole life and has been able to successfully tuck away her true colors away from the majority of the people surrounding herself until she found the one person who matches her true identity. If what little of what we have heard from Melanie and others have shared about Lori and Chad's belief then it it is really hard to believe that the children are alive or well. If Lori and Chad truly believed that they have been called upon to find and lead the 144,000, this would be priority #1 and that fear of others threatening the children would be a mute point in the grander scheme of things thus circling back to my conclusion of this being one crazy out of the box plan of murder and greed. So I hope they get everything they deserve.

yep. 34 threads later........thats my synopsis as well... lust and greed fueled by any means to get there.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

I am thinking what if Chad has taken the kids or has given them to someone and Lori has no knowledge where they are at all. It seems like she would just do anything he said. Almost like a Manson follower. Everything that is coming out is just so crazy that if it was alleged they were sacrificing the firstborn, it would not surprise me now.

Does Chad still have his Temple recommend? I wonder when it expires?

Speculation based on mathematics here:
If CD's recommend was active in 2019 at least through October 2019 when he left residence in the ward, he could have renewed it any time prior and would be valid until October 2021 at latest, unless some action to nullify it was performed by him or the church as result of this case. If so, we may never know.
If CD's recommend was last renewed in late (November) 2017 through early (April) 2018 it would have lapsed due to two-year time limit. If so, the only people to know if it has been renewed since would be the Bishop, possibly the Ward Clerk, and stake presidency.
I know the stake presidency had only temporarily halted recommend interviews for COVID-19 and has resumed in May. Unless they've divulged such information (which is highly unlikely) or he makes it known, we may never know.

All of this aside, the Temple in Rexburg is still closed (Temple Temporary Closures | ChurchofJesusChristTemples.org) so he couldn't visit there anyway.
Further, I'm not sure if current recommend status of our POIs and ability to worship at the temple is as important to the matter of the missing children or the unsolved death investigations as recommend status and ability to worship before November 2019. Now they are wed and nothing would be out of the ordinary to attend together, be sealed together, etc. However, prior to November 2019, there's no justifiable reason, as CD and TD were married, and CV and LV were together a few months prior. Anything involving temple worship of our POIs together (ETA: prior to October 2019) is suspect and accessory to possible motive and evidence of possible conspiracy. I understand that current recommend status is a possible indication of action performed by the church in regard to the case, but I doubt that such would be made public if it had occurred.

 

[Hatfield]

I am thinking what if Chad has taken the kids or has given them to someone and Lori has no knowledge where they are at all. It seems like she would just do anything he said. Almost like a Manson follower. Everything that is coming out is just so crazy that if it was alleged they were sacrificing the firstborn, it would not surprise me now.

Re BBM
I agree. Everything about this case is so bizarre and foreign to me that I feel thankful not to have known about their beliefs and teachings.

Lori and C were frolicking around in Hawaii not even caring about the children so I cannot see where anyone would be doing him or her a favor by hiding the kids and risking their own legal trouble. Surely by now if anyone else was holding them, they would have turned them over to LE and told all they knew about Lori and C. I just cannot see anyone else risking kidnapping charges for those two.

Which leads me to think they did something really bad to the children. I think this may be a classic case of after they ended up killing one person, it became easier for them to go ahead and take out a couple more.

My big question is how many of the mysterious deaths and disappearances were murder. I hope the number stays on one hand's fingers and I hope I dont have to use two hands to count.

 

[tresir2012]

Speculation based on mathematics here:
If CD's recommend was active in 2019 at least through October 2019 when he left residence in the ward, he could have renewed it any time prior and would be valid until October 2021 at latest, unless some action to nullify it was performed by him or the church as result of this case. If so, we may never know.
If CD's recommend was last renewed in late (November) 2017 through early (April) 2018 it would have lapsed due to two-year time limit. If so, the only people to know if it has been renewed since would be the Bishop, possibly the Ward Clerk, and stake presidency.
I know the stake presidency had only temporarily halted recommend interviews for COVID-19 and has resumed in May. Unless they've divulged such information (which is highly unlikely) or he makes it known, we may never know.

All of this aside, the Temple in Rexburg is still closed (Temple Temporary Closures | ChurchofJesusChristTemples.org) so he couldn't visit there anyway.
Further, I'm not sure if current recommend status of our POIs and ability to worship at the temple is as important to the matter of the missing children or the unsolved death investigations as recommend status and ability to worship before November 2019. Now they are wed and nothing would be out of the ordinary to attend together, be sealed together, etc. However, prior to November 2019, there's no justifiable reason, as CD and TD were married, and CV and LV were together a few months prior. Anything involving temple worship of our POIs together is suspect and accessory to possible motive and evidence of possible conspiracy. I understand that current recommend status is a possible indication of action performed by the church in regard to the case, but I doubt that such would be made public if it had occurred.

With this new info from MG about their temple visits together though, we can suppose that LE will have requested surveillance from temple car parks or details of bookings of rooms or similar visits perhaps.

Also, wouldn't the church challenge CD about this alleged misuse of temple premises? Plotting and meeting up behind the backs of spouses is one thing, involving a holy place in those plans is quite another thing.

MOO

 

[MadTing]

20 mins to go eagerly anticipating part 2

 

[CSIDreamer]

20 mins to go eagerly anticipation part 2

I'll take that time. I thought it was an hour and 20 minutes still. Not that I'm clock watching or anything.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

With this new info from MG about their temple visits together though, we can suppose that LE will have requested surveillance from temple car parks or details of bookings of rooms or similar visits perhaps.

Also, wouldn't the church challenge CD about this alleged misuse of temple premises? Plotting and meeting up behind the backs of spouses is one thing, involving a holy place in those plans is quite another thing.

MOO

Absolutely The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints would take issue if that were known to be the case. However, if that has happened as alleged, I'm not sure what would be done apart from excommunication and that would also likely be private.

 

[MadTing]

I'll take that time. I thought it was an hour and 20 minutes still. Not that I'm clock watching or anything.

Actually is it 7 am or 8 am its being released?

 

[RexburgSleuth]

20 mins to go eagerly anticipating part 2

I'll take that time. I thought it was an hour and 20 minutes still. Not that I'm clock watching or anything.

@CSIDreamer you are correct. Sorry @MadTing , one more hour.

 

[CSIDreamer]

@CSIDreamer you are correct. Sorry @MadTing , one more hour.

Well we got hopeful for awhile.

Meanwhile, Justin Lum posted this "wait for it" teaser almost 24 hours ago. I dunno what it's about, but he's another of our hero reporters.

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

 

[Hatfield]

Absolutely The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints would take issue if that were known to be the case. However, if that has happened as alleged, I'm not sure what would be done apart from excommunication and that would also likely be private.

JMO
Im not sure if they are official members of any church, but if they are, I still think the church should hit them where it hurts and come out publicly to disavow them and formally kick them out of the church because of their side beliefs which are proven by his books he wrote. And the bad publicity it has brought down on the church.

That may make them realize they really have lost it all and may help them get to a point where they confess what happened to the kids.

I know there is no legal conviction yet but the bad publicity alone this has brought on the church due to their side beliefs should be enough to make the church want to disassociate with them. I would think a church would have enough valid reasons due to his books and their side beliefs that they would have a reason to be able to disassociate and excommunicate them.

And before that happens, one of the elders with a high status should call C in for a formal meeting and her by video conference and ask them where her kids are.

We know they dont like talking to LE but what if a high standing leader of the church asked them to attend a meeting and flat out asked her where the kids are. Would they lie to them too?

 

[RexburgSleuth]

JMO
Im not sure if they are official members of any church, but if they are, I still think the church should hit them where it hurts and come out publicly to disavow them and formally kick them out of the church because of their side beliefs which are proven by his books he wrote. And the bad publicity it has brought down on the church.

That may make them realize they really have lost it all and may help them get to a point where they confess what happened to the kids.

I know there is no legal conviction yet but the bad publicity alone this has brought on the church due to their side beliefs should be enough to make the church want to disassociate with them. I would think a church would have enough valid reasons due to his books and their side beliefs that they would have a reason to be able to disassociate and excommunicate them.

And before that happens, one of the elders with a high status should call C in for a formal meeting and her by video conference and ask them where her kids are.

We know they dont like talking to LE but what if a high standing leader of the church asked them to attend a meeting and flat out asked her where the kids are. Would they lie to them too?

If temples are being used for purposes other than intended and without authorization, those who have done so have bypassed the authority with which they could profess to honor in doing so. There's an obvious lack of respect for the authority of the church if what has been alleged to have happened has actually happened. I doubt such a meeting would occur or, if so, would help in the investigation.

 

[indicolite22]

I know there is no legal conviction yet but the bad publicity alone this has brought on the church due to their side beliefs should be enough to make the church want to disassociate with them. I would think a church would have enough valid reasons due to his books and their side beliefs that they would have a reason to be able to disassociate and excommunicate them.

His books are novels and an autobiography. I'm sure zombies portrayed there can't be taken as doctrine.

We know they dont like talking to LE but what if a high standing leader of the church asked them to attend a meeting and flat out asked her where the kids are. Would they lie to them too?

I imagine Chad's answer: "It's complicated."

 

[CSIDreamer]

A little off the subject, but do we know where MG's boyfriend is from? In the interview she was defending PAP I figured that it was because both her and him were speakers there. All of their main podcasts have been scrubbed, but I did find one of just him DW. I was curious as to where he was from and what we know about him. He seems to have the visions like Chad.
I am going to post it here and I would like input from other WS.
Thank you in advance.

Since he isn't a POI any info will need to come from MSM relating to this case. We aren't supposed to mention P*P really as they've thrown out a cease and desist towards mentioning them. Jmo

 

[Deerrun]

Dbm,

 

[natsound]

Where are these children???

Why is there not a trace of them? Do authorities have any leads at all? Anything pointing them in a certain direction?

I'm worried that they will never be found, because it doesn't seem the investigation is progressing. The bizarre twists and turns are interesting and important, but they're becoming a distraction from the crucial goal of finding the children.