Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #34

[dixiegirl1035]

I don’t think he can talk his way out of openly flaunting their relationship right under Tammy’s nose. We didn’t know, or at least I didn’t, they openly acted as a couple complete with PDA’s in Rexburg! That can’t sit well with the kids. That’s their mother he was mocking and until today they might not have known it.

Having an affair is nothing compared to being complicit in murders, don't ya think? They have been standing by him for the murders, so an affair.......... pfft.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Does anybody else get the feeling something big is about to develop? We have this timed release of MG's interview spread over three days, a 'leaked' email from AZ LE that the Charles case is making progress, Justin Lum hinting and teasing everyone to "wait for it," and now this other tease about the BB/MP case? I don't know, it just seems like something big and coordinated is about to happen. Maybe it's JM hopeful O.

It’s possible something maybe going down. We just were out and running errands and the fbi centers still parked although there weren’t any police vehicles there. So it’s anyone’s guess on what’s happening. All jmo

 

[nhmemorymaker]

LE already has MG's statements, so it seems like these interviews are intended to invite those who might be helpful (whether they know it or not) in finding the children or their bodies. Such persons can either come forward and disclose what they know so LE can get to the truth directly, or they can leave LE and prosecutors to arrive at the closest approximation of the truth they can get to by building to it circumstantially.

I hope those people will heed MG's call to seriously think about the relationship of Christ and how he lived while here, his healing, his revealing lightness and lifting of burdens, and the truth. Christ is about an invitation to freedom. Darkness, chaos, lies, and confusion are not; they bind, confine, weigh heavily, and trap.

"Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love." - Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov

There have already been too many lies here. It's long past time for some truth.

fabulous quote from Brothers Karamazov. I am still so conflicted with Melanie, that I relate this to her directly. A lot more was going on through 2018 and 2019... she knew so much more. I just cannot get my head around it............

I better hear some remorse in tomorrows segment... there was just so much more that went on that raised huge flags.... If she admits she was more brainwashed than what she is currently admitting that will be good. If she admits she was duped into believing all this hogwash, that will be good. But so far.......... I am still thinking she is covering her own butt, rather than being totally honest with us, the audience. (not LE)
And then there is the Church. I still think she is also going overboard to proetect her own status with the LDS mainstream. I just feel she, like I feel also about Jason Mow...that she was more into all of this than she is willing to be truthful about..... but there is this need to protect status within the mainstream LDS. I think this clouds a lot.

 

[Spartygirl]

MG is saying that she thinks Lori really sincerely believes all the zombie stuff and in a way she's saying Lori has been brainwashed by Chad to believe it (MG doesn't like the word brainwashed but that's my word for it). I think MG seems to give Lori too much sympathy but it makes sense that she would to some extent, because MG was also sucked into these dangerous beliefs for a time. MG seems to have gotten good counseling since then and was able to see how dangerous, false and evil these teachings from Chad are. My take away from that part of the interview was that MG is hoping that Lori can someday see that too and that Lori will realize that people got murdered due to her false zombie beliefs. That's my interpretation of what she's trying to say, anyway. MG's not saying Lori was justified in murder, but that Lori currently thinks she was justified and Lori won't come clean until Lori realizes how wrong her beliefs are.

Personally, I'm still on the fence on whether I think Lori actually believes this stuff or if the zombie and "dark spirit" labels were just a convenient way to justify murder to people close to them that they thought were gullible enough to belief that and go along with it. Because if Lori truly believed it then she would not have hidden those beliefs from police and mental health evaluators. Lori always had an alternate lie prepared to make herself out to be a victim and/or the one who was in the right when it came to talking to authorities. Lori always managed to come across as sane to the police and didn't bring up the zombie stuff, multiple past lives, the 144,000, being a god who was unable to die, etc. This makes me think it was all a form of gaslighting their "followers"-- so that if the others went to police and brought up zombies they (the people talking to police) would be labeled the crazy ones.

Lori also seems to test people and she changes her story/beliefs when they don't accept what she says. When Lori told MG that JJ was a zombie perhaps it was to test whether MG would agree to getting rid of "zombie JJ"? But when MG showed resistance to that idea and said she didn't think JJ was any different, Lori switched to agreeing she would give JJ to Kay (who is also a zombie according to Lori ). Did MG not question why Lori would be OK with giving a zombie child to another zombie to raise? Wouldn't this make the zombies more powerful in their twisted belief system? It boggles the mind that so many people close to Lori seemingly accepted what she said at face value, even to the point of accepting talk of zombies.

But once Lori changed what she said she would do with JJ, she even went so far as telling MG that she met Kay at the airport and passed JJ off. That just reveals how conniving Lori was-- it had nothing to do with a belief in zombies but with a need to have MG accept whatever she was saying. She likely planned to continue to have a friendship with MG and do more podcasts together, so she had to come up with something that MG would accept as true as to where JJ went. Just like Chad told his family Lori was an empty-nester after JJ and Tylee were gone-- he knew that there would never be any minor children to come around and meet his parents or his kids so he told them a believable lie. And Lori told someone else that Tylee died years ago, probably because Lori couldn't completely delete Tylee from social media. They didn't tell family that Lori's children turned into zombies and they got rid of the zombies. They knew their family wasn't going to accept that explanation. I think Lori and Chad knew that MG was extremely gullible (i.e. open to talk of zombies/multiple past lives, etc) and they took advantage of that as much as possible, to the point where they thought MG would lie for them about having JJ with her. Fortunately MG finally woke up when they asked her to lie to the police. It's too bad she didn't wake up sooner, before the children were gone.

MOO.

You are spot On !!! I don't know if LVD really believes in the zombie aspect, Maybe she does to a point but the main reason for her to say she believes it is to eliminate anyone in her way and collect life insurance or some sort of monetary benefit from them being killed.
She told MG that JJ was getting in the way of their mission and is a zombie.--her reasoning to kill him.

I am wondering now when, I believe, it was LVD sister said that she called AxC to go stay with Lori because she knew CV was on his way there and was worried about what he might do. (**Maybe it was MP that said this)
Regardless, MG said that it was Lori who asked AxC to come stay-- enough said. **
MG stated that Lori did NOT even talk about Tylee while MG was there visiting in Sept.
JJ was last seen Sept 23rd, yet LVD mother said she SPOKE to him Oct 1st
According to MG- JJ was in the way of their mission and needed to go to Kay's to live. "That was the plan that I knew of – he’s going to Kay’s house"
And THEN--from MG interview "Gibb returned home to Arizona and spoke with Lori a few times. Lori told her about meeting Kay at the airport and leaving JJ with her"
So I am thinking timeframe -- MG arrived in Rexburg Sept 17- she stayed until Monday September 23rd--which was the last day anyone saw JJ.
I believe he was killed the next day or within a few days and that LVD's Mother is not telling the truth. JMO

 

[FindingJoLee]

@Tortoise SPOT ON! I want a portal to the world where you were on duty at Chandler PD when Charles was trying to get help

No kidding, I definitely missed some things!

@Tortoise thanks for putting those two stories together. Telling Melanie that JJ had gone to stay with Kay...and then later asking Melanie to cover for JJ's whereabouts??? I have a feeling Lori has lost her grip on lies many times in the past, but this one was finally horrible enough that the breezy laugh couldn't cover it.

 

[Onsdag]

Yes, these fringe unorthodox beliefs are far more widespread throughout the LDS community (at least here in the Intermountain West) than one might realize. I believe we've only seen the tip of the iceburg. I have family and friends who are into various forms of Energy Healing and I've tried to warn them for years now when I first learned of it through AVOW and Julie Rowe, who is one of Chad's published authors. It is, in my opinion a dangerous road to be traveling down. This multiple mortal probations doctrine is equally false and dangerous, but a more recent addition to these groups. JR has been excommunicated over these beliefs (among other things), and now we are seeing the fruits of Chad and Lori embracing such damnable practices.

I realize this may be a bit of a sidetrack from the case at hand and helping to find Tylee and JJ, but at the same time it has everything to do with this current case. It is the foundation and driving force of what led us to where we are now. And my purpose in bringing it up is to denounce it and hopefully prevent other cases like this from happening. Multiple Mortal Probations, Energy Healing, Wife/Husband Swapping, and all other practices which many in these groups (and there really is no organized group per se) embrace and practice have no place among the saints and followers of Christ. They are the doctrines of devils and deceiving spirits. Never will you hear anything from the leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in support of these evil practices. On the contrary, they have continually warned about looking beyond the mark and extreme beliefs such as these. The gospel of Jesus Christ is simple and pure.

I'm sorry for going off on a tangent, but I do feel really strongly about this and I want more than anything to prevent even more tragedies like this case from happening in the future. But I fear this won't be the last. I really do hope that someone, somewhere, will listen and take heed to Melanie Gibb's warnings and turn away from this rubbish and repent before it's too late for them as well.

All MOO.

Edited: formatting issues.

Quoting myself because I just came across this:

Police allege man’s practice of chakra on girl was child sexual abuse

"When interviewed by police, Wiggins said he performed chakra on the girl, but “stated it was for energy healing and not sexual gratification. Ronald told us during chakra you have to touch certain areas of the body but would not specify which areas,” the affidavit states.

Wiggins was then placed under arrest."

This garbage makes me sick and it needs to end!

 

[tresir2012]

New things I learned from this second part of Nate Eaton’s interview of MG:

• Lori was collecting around $6,000 a month from survivor benefits for Colby and Tylee from Joe's death and from disability benefits for JJ;

• Lori sold the claim of herself bring threatened by CV by telling MG there was a $3 million policy on her life and the dark spirit that inhabited CV’s body (“Ned Snyder” or “Ned Schneider,” someone they once knew…?) was after that money;

• Lori did not want to move to Rexburg. She wanted Chad to come to Arizona, but told MG that was not what revelation told her to do;

• MG did not see Tylee while she visited in Rexburg and did not find the claim that Tylee was attending BYU believable;

• MG did see JJ during that visit, but Lori told MG that JJ had become a zombie and was pointing out things he was doing or saying as indicators. MG found this claim unbelievable as JJ didn’t seem different than he’d been in her presence in the past. Lori told MG that JJ would be going to live with Kay so “he would not get in the way of her and Chad’s mission.” Lori also said Kay was a zombie;

• MG had lots of doubts about Chad’s and Lori’s strange revelations, some of which she expressed to Lori. Alex told MG he truly believed the teachings about zombies inhabited by dark spirits;

• Chad and Lori told MG they would be traveling to California with Chad’s children for Thanksgiving and that Tylee and JJ would not be with them. (MY NOTE: And what of Tammy?);

• MG was caught entirely by surprise and was troubled by Chad’s call (in all his nervousness) a few days before Thanksgiving asking her not to answer the call when police called asking about JJ because MG had been led to believe JJ was going to live with Kay;

• Lori instructed MG to take photos with kids around to look like MG was at movies with JJ (as Lori had told police MG was). MG said Lori was upbeat in that call, told her everything was fine. MG was dumbfounded by the request;

• MG chose to tell the police the truth rather than participate in advancing Chad and Lori’s lie; and

• MG urges others who may have heard Chad’s revelations to reflect upon whether so much darkness and death is consistent with what they know from the Gospel - that in Christ’s time on earth, he didn’t kill, but rather healed those who suffered and brought light and clarity rather than darkness, secrecy, and confusion.

"Chad and Lori told MG they would be traveling to California with Chad’s children for Thanksgiving and that Tylee and JJ would not be with them. (MY NOTE: And what of Tammy?); "

Tammy had died previous to this on 19th October and Chad and Lori had already married in Hawaii by this time.

 

[Gigi3]

"Chad and Lori told MG they would be traveling to California with Chad’s children for Thanksgiving and that Tylee and JJ would not be with them. (MY NOTE: And what of Tammy?); "

Tammy had died previous to this on 19th October and Chad and Lori had already married in Hawaii by this time.

Glad you brought this up!

I’m hoping tomorrow’s interview with MG will discuss Tammy. I know we all want to know where those beautiful kids are, but I think Tammy should be remembered also.

Sometimes it seems as though Tammy gets lost in this, and she needs a voice, IMO.
Unless there are certain things that MG can’t legally discuss in this interview, I do hope she answers questions about Tammy’s untimely death. I have no doubt she was told that Chad’s wife was also a zombie.

IMO, I do think MG was brainwashed to some extent. Do I think she could’ve possibly reported this sooner? Absolutely, but I’m glad she came forward when she did and is brave enough to share her story. MOO

 

[Tortoise]

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

Coming up at 5:30, the subpoena filed by Melani Pawlowski’s lawyers may have failed. Newly obtained court documents show what Gilbert’s Town Attorney says about her family and multiple criminal investigations.

Another post from Justin Lum further down the comments

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Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix [...] What this reveals appears to be Gilbert protecting lead detective because he is deep into the case of the shooting.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yea, the bizarre thing is how she seemed to almost condone their relationship?

What surprises me, is that even though divorce is more common in the LDS community, it is not looked on favorably. However, here is Lori talking about full blown adultery, and MG doesn't even seem to be that concerned?

Being LDS my whole life, this would be sending red flags up all over the place. At the very least, MG should have advised her friend to meet with the Bishop (Clergy), if not went and discussed it with him herself. Affairs are grounds for excommunication. For MG to treat this so flippantly is mind-blowing in itself.

She said she briefly met Charles, and he seemed like a nice guy. Yet during the end of this interview, poor Charles is completely ignored, I guess she doesn't even consider that he was murdered. Where's the sympathy for him? JMO

Personally I think LVD and CD deserve to both get exactly what they deserve. If they killed those kids, I vote for the death penalty. Actions have consequences.

I can empathize that they are human, just like the rest of us, but we are all responsible for our choices. It just made me sad that MG seemed to care more about LVD and CD than she did about CV.

MOO

At the very beginning of the interviews, she was concerned about "how people would think about her", and in my mind, her referencing truer beliefs within mainstream LDS were strong...but as if to make sure she is connected to that mainstream.............but the whole while that they were "best friends" she did seem to condone a lot of very unethical behaviors...As a "best friend" she saw what Charles was going through too, but she went to the police with Lori in regards to the purse, and she went with her when she was psychologically evaluated (joke joke)... so as a "best friend", did she collaborate on Lori's hatred towards Charles? She "knew" that he was supposed to die in a car crash for pete's sake. I am just not buying this at all. All I can say, is that I hope tomorrow is more convincing.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Ok thanks. I didn't think she was brought up. Wonder if BBs attempted murder will be brought up in ep 3. Sounds like MelanieG was friendly with Alex.

She said she liked both Alex and Melani. She also said Alex absolutely believed in zombies. I think Chad or Lori got rid of Alex when he was no longer useful, or when BB didn’t die.

I think Chad is charismatic so he pulls people into his orbit but when Lori thought it was ok to get rid of her family for Chad, I think she is every bit as evil as Chad is.

 

[Love Never Fails]

At the very beginning of the interviews, she was concerned about "how people would think about her", and in my mind, her referencing truer beliefs within mainstream LDS were strong...but as if to make sure she is connected to that mainstream.............but the whole while that they were "best friends" she did seem to condone a lot of very unethical behaviors...As a "best friend" she saw what Charles was going through too, but she went to the police with Lori in regards to the purse, and she went with her when she was psychologically evaluated (joke joke)... so as a "best friend", did she collaborate on Lori's hatred towards Charles? She "knew" that he was supposed to die in a car crash for pete's sake. I am just not buying this at all. All I can say, is that I hope tomorrow is more convincing.

She seems weak at best.

 

[Love Never Fails]

You are spot On !!! I don't know if LVD really believes in the zombie aspect, Maybe she does to a point but the main reason for her to say she believes it is to eliminate anyone in her way and collect life insurance or some sort of monetary benefit from them being killed.
She told MG that JJ was getting in the way of their mission and is a zombie.--her reasoning to kill him.

I am wondering now when, I believe, it was LVD sister said that she called AxC to go stay with Lori because she knew CV was on his way there and was worried about what he might do. (**Maybe it was MP that said this)
Regardless, MG said that it was Lori who asked AxC to come stay-- enough said. **
MG stated that Lori did NOT even talk about Tylee while MG was there visiting in Sept.
JJ was last seen Sept 23rd, yet LVD mother said she SPOKE to him Oct 1st
According to MG- JJ was in the way of their mission and needed to go to Kay's to live. "That was the plan that I knew of – he’s going to Kay’s house"
And THEN--from MG interview "Gibb returned home to Arizona and spoke with Lori a few times. Lori told her about meeting Kay at the airport and leaving JJ with her"
So I am thinking timeframe -- MG arrived in Rexburg Sept 17- she stayed until Monday September 23rd--which was the last day anyone saw JJ.
I believe he was killed the next day or within a few days and that LVD's Mother is not telling the truth. JMO

Lori us not brainwashed. She is evil. IMO,

 

[Love Never Fails]

I still can’t figure out Loris mother and sister defending her or Ian standing by MP.

I have a sense they are all a part of this. Trying to deflect blame.

Not one seems to care about Tylee and JJ.

Kinda like Chads children standing by him after their mom died (was murdered).

 

[Spartygirl]

Quoting myself because I just came across this:

Police allege man’s practice of chakra on girl was child sexual abuse

"When interviewed by police, Wiggins said he performed chakra on the girl, but “stated it was for energy healing and not sexual gratification. Ronald told us during chakra you have to touch certain areas of the body but would not specify which areas,” the affidavit states.

Wiggins was then placed under arrest."

This garbage makes me sick and it needs to end!

I think these people just use these other words as an excuse to commit crimes. JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

I still can’t figure out Loris mother and sister defending her or Ian standing by MP.

BBM- I think IP is only standing by MP's side out of fear and to protect his kids and ex-wife. JMO
(at least I hope that is why and that he truly is not sucked into all this BS, but I am on the fence about him and just my instinct says he is only there to protect himself and possibly his kiddos)
I could be wrong and he is in full deep to his eyebrows and playing both sides.
I am still trying to figure him out LOL
as for Mom and sis-- they are as fake as they look. JMO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

It was just lying. Lori likes to pretend that everything is alright. She even told Melanie that she was at an airport handing over JJ to Kay.

I wish that Nate had gotten dates for the Thursday-Monday that MG was visiting Rexburg, and the date that she supposedly took JJ to airport. Would like to see how all the timings fit in with the Storage Unit and Tammy's death etc.

 

[Spartygirl]

Lori moved to Rexburg August/September 2019. Melani didn't move until November and I'm pretty sure Alex move down the same time Melani did. So I believe two months into Lori's move to Rexburg, she was comfortable with her life and told Melani and Alex to move down. Melani did admit in the interview with Nate that Lori said “Just come. Try out somewhere new and come see if you like it up here." and "I was getting my home ready and was going to figure out what’s going on with my kids and get them back here. We were going to have a fresh start. And Lori is very independent, doing her own thing. She was next door, but I spent most of my time with Alex." So I believe Lori told them move to Rexburg. MOO

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Lori moved to Rexburg beginning of September
On Sept 8th-- there is a picture (last day Tylee is seen) of Lori, ALEX, JJ and Tylee.
So Alex was with Lori beginning of Sept also
Doesn't mean he moved there at that time, he could have been visiting, but my guess is, he was living there.
He is the one who kept watching JJ while Lori had her little rendezvous with Chad.
I think he moved with or right after Lori in the beginning of Sept JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

Do you have evidence that MG's visit was Sep 19-23? Not disputing, just trying to resolve differences. My timeline shows the most likely time for MG's visit (which she said was from a Thursday to Monday) would have been Sep 12-16? I say this because I have Lori hiring a babysitter on Sep 19, and MG said that Alex was watching JJ when she was there.

MG said it in her 2nd interview with Nate
Which is where I am drawing off of that fact that JJ was last seen SEPT 23rd--the day MG left after being told by Lori that JJ was a zombie and was getting in the way of their mission"
Hm,mmm-- I don't think JJ lasted much longer after MG left

 

[Love Never Fails]

BBM- I think IP is only standing by MP's side out of fear and to protect his kids and ex-wife. JMO
(at least I hope that is why and that he truly is not sucked into all this BS, but I am on the fence about him and just my instinct says he is only there to protect himself and possibly his kiddos)
I could be wrong and he is in full deep to his eyebrows and playing both sides.
I am still trying to figure him out LOL
as for Mom and sis-- they are as fake as they look. JMO

If I was Ian I would run full speed, not walk away from her. I would give media interviews, I would talk to FBI, I would talk to the DA, I would try to get my ex and kids into hiding just as BB has done. I get the feeling he isn’t too bright. That’s the nicest thing I can say about him.
And MP? She knows EVERYTHING. Speaking of zombies, she talks like one. She needs more help than Ian can give her.