Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #35

[nhmemorymaker]

First, thank you to all who replied to my inquiry regarding permission to post photos to this site.

I took these photos today (June 1, 2020) during a visit to Rexburg and Salem, UT.

Photos of:
>Madison County Courthouse
>Madison County Women’s Detention Center
>FBI Mobile Command Unit (parked behind the Rexburg Fire Department)
>”Bring Tylee and J.J. home” t-shirts and signs posted along N 1900 East, Salem, UT (road to Daybell Salem Residence)
>Daybell Salem residence

I appreciate the ongoing conversation regarding the children/this case on this site and wanted to contribute in some way so I elected to travel to this area when choosing destinations for my first post-quarantine/COVID-19 lockdown road trip from Ohio.

I hope you all find these photos useful in some way—even if only a small glimpse into the areas or just an update on the FBI presence in Rexburg.

Thanks for "bringing us with you" on your first post-covid road trip>

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Would you mind explaining whereabouts in relation to his house are the t-shirts on the poles? And is there just one or two, or many, if you know?

Thanks!

I saw a video on SM... on every pole on Chad's street.... And apparently someone knew he had a hissy fit.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yes that seems true. MG went back to AZ and had long conversations with a friend about her doubts and the friend also had doubts so most likely the friend is someone in that circle. I also noted "after a long silence from Preparing A People podcasting..." four new podcasts were recorded and posted starting 11/29 Thanksgiving podcast, and then three "Feel the Fire" podcasts on 12/4, 12/6 and 12/8 where "special guest joins our "Feel the Fire" gal Melanie..."

Timing is v interesting to me.

(Wish the audio of these podcasts was still up)

link All episodes of Preparing A People Podcast Network

Ya know, I have seen this before, but I am so glad you posted it again. And now that we know Melanie so well, these podcasts seem more relevant to the whole picture. I keep thinking about all the dates.

With all these interactions, I still cannot believe that Lori didn't already know Chad before what Melanie states.

Where are all these people now? Have any of them come forward?
There is this consistent theme in all of these podcasts. "i faced horrible adversity, or had a mental breakdown, but I came back and am now on top of the world". I guess this is common with lots of speakers but sure seems to be a PAP theme....

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yes, I looked this up; and at least theoretically (states' mileage on transparency may vary), they said that if you know the name of the child, the full birthday, and the state in which they obtained their GED, you can find out via the state's Board of Education site, when the person in fact obtained their GED.

Though, I'm not quite sure what the point of questioning it is, to be frank; considering that we've known for weeks as per the arrest affidavit that the authorities reached out to BYU; and that it was already confirmed by BYU that Tylee was enrolled in neither their Idaho nor Hawaii program.

Am I missing something in the grand scheme of things here, that would thus make "Tylee did or did not have her GED" hugely pertinent, or assist in finding her? We already know Lori lies; but it seems to me that to think Lori lied on this topic, is to think that whenever Tylee agreed or told anyone this piece of information, that she was also lying; and I'm uncomfortable with that premise, being as she is one of the case's minor victims.

New texts show last known contact from Tylee Ryan's phone

My reasons for wanting to understand this better have more to do with Melanie actually.

My guess is that Lori and Tylee were both ok with her not going to school. So I don't see it as a big lie.

BUT Melanie projects the same information. She and Lori were very tight during all of 2019... She knew that Tylee was not attending any school. I am just having trouble with all of Melanie's answers about Tylee and BYU, and the GED.

 

[Tortoise]

I think Lori had more or less dumped MG as a bestie by the time Charles was shot. She didn't tell her about his death, Tammy's death, Tylee 'leaving home', the truth about JJ not going to Kay's, BB's attempted murder. None of it. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that MG was on a D list, although she may have just about scraped an L rating while she believed in their baloney.

I think it's possible JJ didn't 'go' earlier because MG was coming to Idaho that weekend. It seems Lori waited until MG's plane took off and not a day longer, he was not seen after that.

So I have a few questions.

Was the timing, of JJ turning into a zombie, a deliberate test of MG's faith? This was September, before anything happened to BB and Tammy. I do not buy the idea that Lori believed whatever Chad told her and needs now to come to the realization that she was deceived. She knew that they were having to make things happen and that accidents weren't occuring as Chad predicted. She knew what had happened to Tylee. IMO it's another convenient lie of Lori's to tell MG that she was not a part of determining who the zombies were, and any mild doubt Lori expressed was to make her appear to be reasonable and having no part in it. None of MG's pleas will touch Lori, but she might well use them as a basis to try to lessen her culpability, IMO. Lori was forced to come up with someone JJ could go to, to deal with the problem of MG not joining in with Lori and Chad's scheme. I wouldn't be surprised if JJ telling the neighbor he was going to grandma's with Tylee was during that weekend visit from MG. Lori didn't tell the nanny that there were plans for it, she only found out that he'd supposedly gone there on the 24th, and I would think it might have come up when Lori was telling her all the family lies that might come up while she was babysitting JJ, such as info about Charles and Tylee.

Why did Chad fly to Mesa, AZ on the day MG came to Rexburg?

How did MG walk around the track at BYU-I with Lori and Chad if he was in AZ? I think it's likely that the woman he sat next to has checked her flight date, so it seems he must have returned straight away. A short important, expensive mission that he couldn't delegate?

MOO

 

[Hatfield]

It was the front driveway -

here's a link to Tammy's facebook post Tammy Daybell reported a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun 10 days before her 'suspicious' death | East Idaho News

JMO
Oh my. Somehow I missed this entire event about her getting shot at. I have to wonder how she knew it was a paint ball gun and not a real firearm with a silencer or something.

I think this is somehow related to how she ended up dead. Im thinking it was maybe a real gun with a silencer which could sound similar to a paint ball gun if it was just a small caliber .22 with a silencer attached.

Or maybe it was someone who was planning her death and first wanted to scare her to get her thinking someone was after her so that when she really died, there would be less suspicoun on themselves.

Im sure this event has been discussed a lot already and I just missed it as I came to this case kind of late.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I think Lori had more or less dumped MG as a bestie by the time Charles was shot. She didn't tell her about his death, Tammy's death, Tylee 'leaving home', the truth about JJ not going to Kay's, BB's attempted murder. None of it. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that MG was on a D list, although she may have just about scraped an L rating while she believed in their baloney.

I think it's possible JJ didn't 'go' earlier because MG was coming to Idaho that weekend. It seems Lori waited until MG's plane took off and not a day longer, he was not seen after that.

So I have a few questions.

Was the timing, of JJ turning into a zombie, a deliberate test of MG's faith? This was September, before anything happened to BB and Tammy. I do not buy the idea that Lori believed whatever Chad told her and needs now to come to the realization that she was deceived. She knew that they were having to make things happen and that accidents weren't occuring as Chad predicted. She knew what had happened to Tylee. IMO it's another convenient lie of Lori's to tell MG that she was not a part of determining who the zombies were, and any mild doubt Lori expressed was to make her appear to be reasonable and having no part in it. None of MG's pleas will touch Lori, but she might well use them as a basis to try to lessen her culpability, IMO. Lori was forced to come up with someone JJ could go to, to deal with the problem of MG not joining in with Lori and Chad's scheme. I wouldn't be surprised if JJ telling the neighbor he was going to grandma's with Tylee was during that weekend visit from MG. Lori didn't tell the nanny that there were plans for it, she only found out that he'd supposedly gone there on the 24th, and I would think it might have come up when Lori was telling her all the family lies that might come up while she was babysitting JJ, such as info about Charles and Tylee.

Why did Chad fly to Mesa, AZ on the day MG came to Rexburg?

How did MG walk around the track at BYU-I with Lori and Chad if he was in AZ? I think it's likely that the woman he sat next to has checked her flight date, so it seems he must have returned straight away. A short important, expensive mission that he couldn't delegate?

MOO

Lori and Melanie were still quite connected via their podcasts, however. The series of these podcasts raise more interesting questions in my mind. Melanie was basically the owner/leader of these podcasts. Why was SHE missing in action all through Oct and Nov? We know how busy Lori and Chad were...

This is the batch in and around that critical month of Sept 2019:
7/02/2019 Melanie, Lori and one other woman
8/22/2019 Melanie and Lori

8/30/2019 Chad, Warwick and two others
9/07/2019 Melanie and Lori
9/16/ 2019 Chad, Lori and Melanie

11/29/2019 First since 9/16, and none of our POIs

I tried to go back to the timeline to find the date of Chad's trip to Mesa, and couldn't find it. (can you provide, @Tortoise) Are we 1000% sure Melanie's visit to Rexburg was the day before JJ went missing??? IF they work together before they do the podcasts, the weekend of 14-16 would make more sense.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

JMO
Oh my. Somehow I missed this entire event about her getting shot at. I have to wonder how she knew it was a paint ball gun and not a real firearm with a silencer or something.

I think this is somehow related to how she ended up dead. Im thinking it was maybe a real gun with a silencer which could sound similar to a paint ball gun if it was just a small caliber .22 with a silencer attached.

Or maybe it was someone who was planning her death and first wanted to scare her to get her thinking someone was after her so that when she really died, there would be less suspicoun on themselves.

Im sure this event has been discussed a lot already and I just missed it as I came to this case kind of late.

we had massive discussions over this issue of paintgun vs gun with silencer. Regarding both this incident with Tammy as well as the shooting at Brandon's car. I wish I knew how to take you back to the right threads...but I do not.... hopefully someone can get you there.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

Lori and Melanie were still quite connected via their podcasts, however. The series of these podcasts raise more interesting questions in my mind. Melanie was basically the owner/leader of these podcasts. Why was SHE missing in action all through Oct and Nov? We know how busy Lori and Chad were...

This is the batch in and around that critical month of Sept 2019:
7/02/2019 Melanie, Lori and one other woman
8/22/2019 Melanie and Lori

8/30/2019 Chad, Warwick and two others
9/07/2019 Melanie and Lori
9/16/ 2019 Chad, Lori and Melanie

11/29/2019 First since 9/16, and none of our POIs

I tried to go back to the timeline to find the date of Chad's trip to Mesa, and couldn't find it. (can you provide, @Tortoise) Are we 1000% sure Melanie's visit to Rexburg was the day before JJ went missing??? IF they work together before they do the podcasts, the weekend of 14-16 would make more sense.

Chad's alleged flight on Sept 19th
Rexburg woman recounts encounter with Chad Daybell during flight to Mesa in September

 

[Tortoise]

Lori and Melanie were still quite connected via their podcasts, however. The series of these podcasts raise more interesting questions in my mind. Melanie was basically the owner/leader of these podcasts. Why was SHE missing in action all through Oct and Nov? We know how busy Lori and Chad were...

This is the batch in and around that critical month of Sept 2019:
7/02/2019 Melanie, Lori and one other woman
8/22/2019 Melanie and Lori

8/30/2019 Chad, Warwick and two others
9/07/2019 Melanie and Lori
9/16/ 2019 Chad, Lori and Melanie

11/29/2019 First since 9/16, and none of our POIs

I tried to go back to the timeline to find the date of Chad's trip to Mesa, and couldn't find it. (can you provide, @Tortoise) Are we 1000% sure Melanie's visit to Rexburg was the day before JJ went missing??? IF they work together before they do the podcasts, the weekend of 14-16 would make more sense.

Our Timeline:
19 Sept 2019 - A Rexburg woman has a long conversation w/ Chad on a flight to Mesa, AZ. During the conversation, they talked about their families, religion, and Chad's books; the anonymous woman has read a few of them and says, "[Chad] told me he was not writing those novels anymore about an apocalypse or something. He was just going in a total new direction in the books that he was writing." Chad tells her he is on his way to help a female relative in the Valley (i.e. the Phoenix area) who needs to remodel her home. "He said I hope we can get this work done in the time that I have before I have to be back," recalled the woman (Fox10 Phoenix).

----

Gibb visited Sept. 19 and remembers walking around the Brigham Young University-Idaho campus and indoor track with Lori and Chad, who were holding hands and kissing.

“I said, ‘Aren’t you worried that people are going to see you?’ She says, ‘Well, Tammy doesn’t come out a lot.’ … They said a lot of people that knew Chad didn’t know what Tammy looked like because they didn’t do a lot of things together,” Gibb says.

During their walk, Alex babysat JJ at home, but Tylee was not there, and Lori never mentioned her. Weeks earlier, Gibb had spoken to Lori on the phone after she moved to Rexburg and heard Tylee yelling in the background, so she was surprised the 17-year-old was not around.

“I was told she was at (BYU-Idaho),” Gibb recalls. “I knew that Tylee had her GED, which she got when she was 16 or 17 … There were definitely question marks. It didn’t feel real. It didn’t feel like the truth. I didn’t know what to say about it. I wouldn’t assume that she had done something to her. It was unusual.”

Equally concerning was what Lori said about JJ when Gibb arrived in Idaho.

“She said that he had turned into a zombie the day before I got there, and she was pointing out behaviors of his. … She was trying to create uncertainty in me about what I saw. … I was looking at him and thought, ‘I don’t know. He looks just like JJ to me,'” Gibb says.

This wasn’t the first time Lori had spoken to Gibb about zombies.

Part 2: Melanie Gibb describes zombies, JJ's disappearance and the 'fatal attraction' between Chad and Lori Daybell | East Idaho News

JJ'S NANNY: Nanny came back Sept. 19 to babysit JJ. "When I walked inside, she mentioned how she was waiting for her brother to come and leave with her to the airport. She said she was going to the Idaho Falls airport. She said her brother also lived here in Rexburg."

JJ'S NANNY: Nanny met Lori's friend Lori picked up from airport, a woman who did podcasts with Lori. "I didn’t see a suitcase, so I don’t think she was staying that long."

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

NE: How long did you stay with Lori, was it for a week?
MG: So Thursday to a Monday morning.

Timestamp 35:01

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Thank you So much for the clarification on location of the FBI Mobile Command Center. If I can figure out how to edit my post to correct it, I certainly will.

No worries!

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Would you mind explaining whereabouts in relation to his house are the t-shirts on the poles? And is there just one or two, or many, if you know?

Thanks!

We drove that way to go to a friends house, there’s probably 10 or so (give or take a couple we didn’t exactly count but more than 5) combined on the way there from Rexburg and back. And they are on the power poles going toward the house except for the last 3 or four before, and going away from the house back to Rexburg about the same distance out (also a big one on a trailer). Jmo

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

I saw a video on SM... on every pole on Chad's street.... And apparently someone knew he had a hissy fit.

As of yesterday it wasn’t every pole. I had feared they’d take them down, sounds like some were taken down. Jmo

 

[Tortoise]

We drove that way to go to a friends house, there’s probably 10 or so (give or take a couple we didn’t exactly count but more than 5) combined on the way there from Rexburg and back. And they are on the power poles going toward the house except for the last 3 or four before, and going away from the house back to Rexburg about the same distance out (also a big one on a trailer). Jmo

Thanks!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Our Timeline:
19 Sept 2019 - A Rexburg woman has a long conversation w/ Chad on a flight to Mesa, AZ. During the conversation, they talked about their families, religion, and Chad's books; the anonymous woman has read a few of them and says, "[Chad] told me he was not writing those novels anymore about an apocalypse or something. He was just going in a total new direction in the books that he was writing." Chad tells her he is on his way to help a female relative in the Valley (i.e. the Phoenix area) who needs to remodel her home. "He said I hope we can get this work done in the time that I have before I have to be back," recalled the woman (Fox10 Phoenix).

----

Gibb visited Sept. 19 and remembers walking around the Brigham Young University-Idaho campus and indoor track with Lori and Chad, who were holding hands and kissing.

“I said, ‘Aren’t you worried that people are going to see you?’ She says, ‘Well, Tammy doesn’t come out a lot.’ … They said a lot of people that knew Chad didn’t know what Tammy looked like because they didn’t do a lot of things together,” Gibb says.

During their walk, Alex babysat JJ at home, but Tylee was not there, and Lori never mentioned her. Weeks earlier, Gibb had spoken to Lori on the phone after she moved to Rexburg and heard Tylee yelling in the background, so she was surprised the 17-year-old was not around.

“I was told she was at (BYU-Idaho),” Gibb recalls. “I knew that Tylee had her GED, which she got when she was 16 or 17 … There were definitely question marks. It didn’t feel real. It didn’t feel like the truth. I didn’t know what to say about it. I wouldn’t assume that she had done something to her. It was unusual.”

Equally concerning was what Lori said about JJ when Gibb arrived in Idaho.

“She said that he had turned into a zombie the day before I got there, and she was pointing out behaviors of his. … She was trying to create uncertainty in me about what I saw. … I was looking at him and thought, ‘I don’t know. He looks just like JJ to me,'” Gibb says.

This wasn’t the first time Lori had spoken to Gibb about zombies.

Part 2: Melanie Gibb describes zombies, JJ's disappearance and the 'fatal attraction' between Chad and Lori Daybell | East Idaho News

JJ'S NANNY: Nanny came back Sept. 19 to babysit JJ. "When I walked inside, she mentioned how she was waiting for her brother to come and leave with her to the airport. She said she was going to the Idaho Falls airport. She said her brother also lived here in Rexburg."

JJ'S NANNY: Nanny met Lori's friend Lori picked up from airport, a woman who did podcasts with Lori. "I didn’t see a suitcase, so I don’t think she was staying that long."

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

NE: How long did you stay with Lori, was it for a week?
MG: So Thursday to a Monday morning.

Timestamp 35:01

For the life of me, I cannot get to these newer pieces. I have tried going back to the timeline twice, and keep coming up with only one entry for the 19 Sept. I vaguely remember hearing that Gardner had done something new. Please help!! Thanks much.

I guess that must be Melanie being referred to by the nanny, however, there were other women speakers on those podcasts...so I do wonder if Chad, Lori, and, Melanie were hooked up remotely to do that podcast on 16/Sept.

So for your original question... seems as if Chad really did just do a quick turn-around. Did we have any guesses as to what the trip was for. I certainly did not retain anything.

 

[Tortoise]

For the life of me, I cannot get to these newer pieces. I have tried going back to the timeline twice, and keep coming up with only one entry for the 19 Sept. I vaguely remember hearing that Gardner had done something new. Please help!! Thanks much.

I guess that must be Melanie being referred to by the nanny, however, there were other women speakers on those podcasts...so I do wonder if Chad, Lori, and, Melanie were hooked up remotely to do that podcast on 16/Sept.

So for your original question... seems as if Chad really did just do a quick turn-around. Did we have any guesses as to what the trip was for. I certainly did not retain anything.

Ah, timeline version 8 starts here ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE* NO DISCUSSION

 

[Diddian]

It was the front driveway -

here's a link to Tammy's facebook post Tammy Daybell reported a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun 10 days before her 'suspicious' death | East Idaho News

Thank you, Tortoise. That’s what I thought I remembered.

IMO, seeing the rural location of the house and the fairly large size of properties in that area, it seems oddly incurious for the deputy who responded to the call to have dismissed the attempted shooting with what Tammy presumed was a paintball gun as a prank without a bit more investigation. I could see that in a more densely populated residential neighborhood, where members of a group of friends might go from one of their houses to the other, all of them pulling pranks on each other, but it seems an odd conclusion here in the sparsely populated rural area and at a home with no teens.

Even in my suburban residential neighborhood, where there are plenty of teens and a prank like that might occur, the LAST person any prankster might target would be a local mom, because a prank like that would likely result in the whole group losing their paintball guns.

 

[Deerrun]

I think Lori had more or less dumped MG as a bestie by the time Charles was shot. She didn't tell her about his death, Tammy's death, Tylee 'leaving home', the truth about JJ not going to Kay's, BB's attempted murder. None of it. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that MG was on a D list, although she may have just about scraped an L rating while she believed in their baloney.

I think it's possible JJ didn't 'go' earlier because MG was coming to Idaho that weekend. It seems Lori waited until MG's plane took off and not a day longer, he was not seen after that.

So I have a few questions.

Was the timing, of JJ turning into a zombie, a deliberate test of MG's faith? This was September, before anything happened to BB and Tammy. I do not buy the idea that Lori believed whatever Chad told her and needs now to come to the realization that she was deceived. She knew that they were having to make things happen and that accidents weren't occuring as Chad predicted. She knew what had happened to Tylee. IMO it's another convenient lie of Lori's to tell MG that she was not a part of determining who the zombies were, and any mild doubt Lori expressed was to make her appear to be reasonable and having no part in it. None of MG's pleas will touch Lori, but she might well use them as a basis to try to lessen her culpability, IMO. Lori was forced to come up with someone JJ could go to, to deal with the problem of MG not joining in with Lori and Chad's scheme. I wouldn't be surprised if JJ telling the neighbor he was going to grandma's with Tylee was during that weekend visit from MG. Lori didn't tell the nanny that there were plans for it, she only found out that he'd supposedly gone there on the 24th, and I would think it might have come up when Lori was telling her all the family lies that might come up while she was babysitting JJ, such as info about Charles and Tylee.

Why did Chad fly to Mesa, AZ on the day MG came to Rexburg?

How did MG walk around the track at BYU-I with Lori and Chad if he was in AZ? I think it's likely that the woman he sat next to has checked her flight date, so it seems he must have returned straight away. A short important, expensive mission that he couldn't delegate?

MOO

To me the big mystery I am curious about is why did Chad go to AZ on the 19th? The only people in AZ within their little group would be MelaniBP and Alex, right? Good catch about Chad walking the track with MG and Lori, this means he could not have been in AZ very long maybe a day or 2 max. Is it a coincidence MG coming up and a quick trip to AZ by Chad at the same time? What was he doing there?

 

[MoM3tzger]

Would you mind explaining whereabouts in relation to his house are the t-shirts on the poles? And is there just one or two, or many, if you know?

Thanks!

The portion of the road on which his house is located runs north and south. While driving north from the interstate to the house, there were four poles with shirts.

After I drove past the house and turned around, I saw two poles with shirts.

There is also, what appears to be some personal property (on the same road about a mile from his house) with a large sign that says: Justice for Tylee and J.J. and the pole in front of that property has two shirts and one pole that has one shirt.

I’ll post a few photos of it.

I must add: anyone traveling to or from his house who can see and read—will get the message intended indeed.



Edited: for clarification

 

[Mamalurker]

I’m not entirely sure this is relevant, but this is another event from the Sept ‘19 timeline that I haven’t seen mentioned. This would place CD in Utah on the Tuesday before MG’s weekend in Rexburg visit and his flight to AZ, if I’m not mistaken. (Francis is a small town in Summit County, UT.)

When the story first broke in December and I looked up CD’s name (I had never heard of him), this popped up on my search because a friend of mine in the area had posted an invitation for anyone to attend. (I have no idea if the event actually took place, as I did not attend, but it was posted on 9/17/19; so the actual day of the event.)

(Edited to change full name to initials and add MOO. Rookie mistakes.)

Edit2-correct day of week to Tuesday.