Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #35

[Diddian]

I’m not entirely sure this is relevant, but this is another event from the Sept ‘19 timeline that I haven’t seen mentioned. This would place CD in Utah on the Thursday before MG’s weekend in Rexburg visit and his flight to AZ, if I’m not mistaken. (Francis is a small town in Summit County, Utah.)

When the story first broke in December and I looked up CD’s name (I had never heard of him), this popped up on my search because a friend of mine in the area had posted an invitation for anyone to attend. (I have no idea if the event actually took place, as I did not attend, but it was posted on 9/17/19; so the actual day of the event.)

Edited to change full name to initials and add MOO. (Rookie mistakes.)

SPRINGVILLE SIBLINGS DIG IN TO GET GOOD EDUCATION

I know the various Daybell brothers all worked in turn at Springville Cemetery as they attended college, but were any still working there in the fall of 2019? Also curious how good the controls are at those cemeteries - like are access codes or keys to the properties changed after employees leave? Or, do they just rely on the honor system to prevent former employees from accessing their properties without reasonable cause.

This is awful to even contemplate, but there were ten deceased who died between 9/5/19 and 9/19/19 and who were subsequently interred at Springville and Evergreen cemeteries. There were another nine deceased who died from 9/20/19 through 10/2/19 and who were subsequently interred there. Most of the deceased were late middle aged to elderly, but there were three minor children. Occasionally, it appears from looking at the cemetery site's search page that permission for burial of a deceased was granted by family members by telephone.

 

[Diddian]

Outside of the timeline, I want to point out the importance of the date, Sept 23rd to some religious and to CD in particular:

Sept 23, 2019 was last date JJ was seen alive by others (last day attended school);

Sept 23, 2019 was the Autumnal Equinox;

Sept 23, 2019 was the eighth anniversary of the following event (from the timeline prepared by Gardener1850):

• 23 Sept 2011 – Chad claims that Tammy’s deceased grandmother, LC, visited him and told him Tammy needed to stop playing the computer game “Frontierville” and get back to working on genealogy and temple work; Chad typed up the message and gave it to Tammy and her parents to read that day; Sept 23 was LC’s birthday so they took this as a sign she had spoken to him; Chad says in a 2015 blog post that every Sept 23rd he waits for another visit, but so far LC’s been quiet (Chad’s Blog).

Sept 23, 2019 was the second anniversary of the Sept 23, 2017 "Sign in the Heavens" that some spiritual and religious people believe was a fulfillment of revelation of prophesies about a "woman clothed with the sun, moon under her feet, etc.;

Sept 23 is the Feast of Trumpets on the perpetual Jewish calendar;

Sept 23, 2019 was the twenty-sixth anniversary of the day in 1993 that the "September Six" feminists and intellectuals who criticized some LDS church doctrine or who taught controversial teachings were excommunicated (except in one case a lesser consequence) for their teachings and related activities.

The following day, Sept 24, 2019 was to be Tylee's 17th birthday.

 

[Tortoise]

I’m not entirely sure this is relevant, but this is another event from the Sept ‘19 timeline that I haven’t seen mentioned. This would place CD in Utah on the Thursday before MG’s weekend in Rexburg visit and his flight to AZ, if I’m not mistaken. (Francis is a small town in Summit County, UT.)

When the story first broke in December and I looked up CD’s name (I had never heard of him), this popped up on my search because a friend of mine in the area had posted an invitation for anyone to attend. (I have no idea if the event actually took place, as I did not attend, but it was posted on 9/17/19; so the actual day of the event.)

(Edited to change full name to initials and add MOO. Rookie mistakes.)

Just so we don't get mixed up here, this was two days before he allegedly flew out of ID. The 17th was the Tuesday.

 

[indicolite22]

I think Lori had more or less dumped MG as a bestie by the time Charles was shot. She didn't tell her about his death, Tammy's death, Tylee 'leaving home', the truth about JJ not going to Kay's, BB's attempted murder. None of it. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that MG was on a D list, although she may have just about scraped an L rating while she believed in their baloney.

I think it's possible JJ didn't 'go' earlier because MG was coming to Idaho that weekend. It seems Lori waited until MG's plane took off and not a day longer, he was not seen after that.

So I have a few questions.

Was the timing, of JJ turning into a zombie, a deliberate test of MG's faith? This was September, before anything happened to BB and Tammy. I do not buy the idea that Lori believed whatever Chad told her and needs now to come to the realization that she was deceived. She knew that they were having to make things happen and that accidents weren't occuring as Chad predicted. She knew what had happened to Tylee. IMO it's another convenient lie of Lori's to tell MG that she was not a part of determining who the zombies were, and any mild doubt Lori expressed was to make her appear to be reasonable and having no part in it. None of MG's pleas will touch Lori, but she might well use them as a basis to try to lessen her culpability, IMO. Lori was forced to come up with someone JJ could go to, to deal with the problem of MG not joining in with Lori and Chad's scheme. I wouldn't be surprised if JJ telling the neighbor he was going to grandma's with Tylee was during that weekend visit from MG. Lori didn't tell the nanny that there were plans for it, she only found out that he'd supposedly gone there on the 24th, and I would think it might have come up when Lori was telling her all the family lies that might come up while she was babysitting JJ, such as info about Charles and Tylee.

Why did Chad fly to Mesa, AZ on the day MG came to Rexburg?

How did MG walk around the track at BYU-I with Lori and Chad if he was in AZ? I think it's likely that the woman he sat next to has checked her flight date, so it seems he must have returned straight away. A short important, expensive mission that he couldn't delegate?

MOO

Yes, Lori knew that the accidents weren't happening, but if she truly believed in zombies, she also believed they needed to be eliminated, either through prayer, spells or otherwise. When one method wasn't effective, they just used another one.

Do we know if MG was in Rexburg for a PAP conference? In that case her visit would have been known well in advance.

I think there's still a possibility that the person flying to Arizona on September 19 wasn't Chad. Whom could he have been visiting?

 

[Mamalurker]

Just so we don't get mixed up here, this was two days before he allegedly flew out of ID. The 17th was the Tuesday.

Ah, yes! Thank you! I must have looked at the wrong calendar year. I will fix it now.

 

[divineappt]

Yes, I looked this up; and at least theoretically (states' mileage on transparency may vary), they said that if you know the name of the child, the full birthday, and the state in which they obtained their GED, you can find out via the state's Board of Education site, when the person in fact obtained their GED.

Though, I'm not quite sure what the point of questioning it is, to be frank; considering that we've known for weeks as per the arrest affidavit that the authorities reached out to BYU; and that it was already confirmed by BYU that Tylee was enrolled in neither their Idaho nor Hawaii program.

Am I missing something in the grand scheme of things here, that would thus make "Tylee did or did not have her GED" hugely pertinent, or assist in finding her? We already know Lori lies; but it seems to me that to think Lori lied on this topic, is to think that whenever Tylee agreed or told anyone this piece of information, that she was also lying; and I'm uncomfortable with that premise, being as she is one of the case's minor victims.

New texts show last known contact from Tylee Ryan's phone

Good post, and if she indeed did not have her GED, why would she lie?

1. To protect her mother
2. She was part of the agenda

Any more possibilities?

I believe I read that she was very bright, so if she just did not want to go to school, getting a GED would have been easy for her. She had her own transportation.

MOO

 

[Diddian]

Yes, Lori knew that the accidents weren't happening, but if she truly believed in zombies, she also believed they needed to be eliminated, either through prayer, spells or otherwise. When one method wasn't effective, they just used another one.

Do we know if MG was in Rexburg for a PAP conference? In that case her visit would have been known well in advance.

I think there's still a possibility that the person flying to Arizona on September 19 wasn't Chad. Whom could he have been visiting?

There was a "Book of Mormon Evidence and Universal Science Model" event held on Sept 21, with several guest speakers. According to one of the unpaid guest speakers at that event (a man who is now running for representative of one of Idaho's legislative districts and who says he is not a member of PAP), the event was promoted by PAP and was held at a Rexburg middle school and about 150+ attended (with capacity for 200).

ETA: Slight correction of title of speaking event.

 

[indicolite22]

9/07/2019 Melanie and Lori
9/16/ 2019 Chad, Lori and Melanie

The September podcasts could have been prerecorded. Since MG was involved in both it was probably while Lori was still in Arizona. Maybe Chad was not there physically, but tuned in.

 

[Diddian]

To me the big mystery I am curious about is why did Chad go to AZ on the 19th? The only people in AZ within their little group would be MelaniBP and Alex, right? Good catch about Chad walking the track with MG and Lori, this means he could not have been in AZ very long maybe a day or 2 max. Is it a coincidence MG coming up and a quick trip to AZ by Chad at the same time? What was he doing there?

Did MG come to Rexburg from AZ or from UT? I ask because I wonder if CD wanted to talk to a mutual associate of his and MG's in AZ at a time when he could be certain MG would not be around.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Outside of the timeline, I want to point out the importance of the date, Sept 23rd to some religious and to CD in particular:

Sept 23, 2019 was last date JJ was seen alive by others (last day attended school);

Sept 23, 2019 was the Autumnal Equinox;

Sept 23, 2019 was the eighth anniversary of the following event (from the timeline prepared by Gardener1850):

• 23 Sept 2011 – Chad claims that Tammy’s deceased grandmother, LC, visited him and told him Tammy needed to stop playing the computer game “Frontierville” and get back to working on genealogy and temple work; Chad typed up the message and gave it to Tammy and her parents to read that day; Sept 23 was LC’s birthday so they took this as a sign she had spoken to him; Chad says in a 2015 blog post that every Sept 23rd he waits for another visit, but so far LC’s been quiet (Chad’s Blog).

Sept 23, 2019 was the second anniversary of the Sept 23, 2017 "Sign in the Heavens" that some spiritual and religious people believe was a fulfillment of revelation of prophesies about a "woman clothed with the sun, moon under her feet, etc.;

Sept 23 is the Feast of Trumpets on the perpetual Jewish calendar;

Sept 23, 2019 was the twenty-sixth anniversary of the day in 1993 that the "September Six" feminists and intellectuals who criticized some LDS church doctrine or who taught controversial teachings were excommunicated (except in one case a lesser consequence) for their teachings and related activities.

The following day, Sept 24, 2019 was to be Tylee's 17th birthday.

Underlined by me.
This is incorrect, Yom Teruah is on 1-2 Tishrei. In 2019 of the western calendar it fell on September 30.

 

[Teche]

I can not confirm or deny that he is farming. However, there were no cows on, what I understand to be, his property. The cows in the photos I posted are in the fenced lot/yard next to his. For clarification, I am posting two more photos. From this angle, you can see that there is a fence separating his yard from the lot/yard were the cows in the photo are.

The car in the photo is parked in his driveway in front of his garage door. His garage door and main/front door are on the front side of his house.
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Thank you for the clarification. I grew up in the country and our cattle were kept in a fenced pasture.

 

[indicolite22]

Lori and Melanie were still quite connected via their podcasts, however. The series of these podcasts raise more interesting questions in my mind. Melanie was basically the owner/leader of these podcasts. Why was SHE missing in action all through Oct and Nov? We know how busy Lori and Chad were...

This is the batch in and around that critical month of Sept 2019:
7/02/2019 Melanie, Lori and one other woman
8/22/2019 Melanie and Lori

8/30/2019 Chad, Warwick and two others
9/07/2019 Melanie and Lori
9/16/ 2019 Chad, Lori and Melanie

11/29/2019 First since 9/16, and none of our POIs

I tried to go back to the timeline to find the date of Chad's trip to Mesa, and couldn't find it. (can you provide, @Tortoise) Are we 1000% sure Melanie's visit to Rexburg was the day before JJ went missing??? IF they work together before they do the podcasts, the weekend of 14-16 would make more sense.

Apparently there was also another podcast with Lori and Melanie in December 2019:

4 Feel the Fire ~ Part 1
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 73 min
Special Guest __ joins our Arizona "Feel the Fire" gals, Melanie and Lori, to discuss...

I wonder when that one was recorded. Two more parts with the same guest came out on Dec 6th and 8th.

ETA: I found on another podcasting site that only Melanie was present for the episode 4 of Feel the Fire podcast, so no Lori.

First source: breaker.audio
Second source: chartable.com

 

[indicolite22]

The PAP website used to offer the viewing of "FREE Dreams & Visions 5 hr. Course with a 72 page Downloadable Curriculum" for joining. I wonder if Chad was teaching that course.
Source: Description of multiple Feel the fire podcasts.

 

[Diddian]

Good post, and if she indeed did not have her GED, why would she lie?

1. To protect her mother
2. She was part of the agenda

Any more possibilities?

I believe I read that she was very bright, so if she just did not want to go to school, getting a GED would have been easy for her. She had her own transportation.

MOO

Tylee seemed very bright. She could easily have worked with someone to document her "unschooling" or "self-schooling" activities (books or other literature read, self-chosen online learning, or other activities she engaged in which were learning experiences) and then taken the PSAT at a local high school. A transcript could be prepared from the documentation of her activities and her PSAT score, to be signed by her mother as the person primarily responsible for her education. Since she attended the first two years of high school, she would also have the formal transcripts from that school demonstrating her academic achievements.

I doubt LVD would have bothered to do this and it's really too bad for TR that she didn't; however, many home schoolers do less formalized learning, particularly where the child is very self-motivated.

I homeschooled my daughter through her last two years of high school. She is a fairly independent and self-driven student and she found high school frustratingly slow-paced with some unwelcome social problems (kids struggling with parents going through divorces, illicit drug and alcohol use, sexual harassment from some of the male athletes with consequences that did nothing to change their behavior).

Our homeschooling was a great experience. We selected learning materials for independent study together, she engaged in some outside classes/activities (Chemistry taught by a PhD student in Physics, advanced piano studies incl. organ and harpsichord, participation in NaNoWriMo - National Novel Writing Month each of the two years), and I regularly engaged with her in discussion and debate about what she was learning. She took the PSAT at the local high school with the students there each year we homeschooled and scored in the top few %, and when taking the SAT's for college, earned near perfect scores. So, when she made applications to various colleges, our transcript was as welcome as any other, she was readily accepted, and was offered multiple trustee and chancellorship scholarships.

I don't know TR well at all, but from what little I have seen, TR seems like the kind of precocious teen who might have thrived if she'd been offered a similar experience and it sickens me that she had the kind of mother whose needs came before hers.

 

[indicolite22]

SPRINGVILLE SIBLINGS DIG IN TO GET GOOD EDUCATION

I know the various Daybell brothers all worked in turn at Springville Cemetery as they attended college, but were any still working there in the fall of 2019? Also curious how good the controls are at those cemeteries - like are access codes or keys to the properties changed after employees leave? Or, do they just rely on the honor system to prevent former employees from accessing their properties without reasonable cause.

This is awful to even contemplate, but there were ten deceased who died between 9/5/19 and 9/19/19 and who were subsequently interred at Springville and Evergreen cemeteries. There were another nine deceased who died from 9/20/19 through 10/2/19 and who were subsequently interred there. Most of the deceased were late middle aged to elderly, but there were three minor children. Occasionally, it appears from looking at the cemetery site's search page that permission for burial of a deceased was granted by family members by telephone.

It's a long way from Rexburg to Springville. If Chad and the gang wanted to hide bodies, they didn't need to transport them to Utah. IMO there were suitable locations much closer to home where they would not be seen.

 

[Diddian]

It's a long way from Rexburg to Springville. If Chad and the gang wanted to hide bodies, they didn't need to transport them to Utah. IMO there were suitable locations much closer to home where they would not be seen.

Yes, but the person to whom I responded said CD had traveled to a town nearby there around Sept 17 (not long after TR was last seen). And we don't know if he traveled there later, but it wouldn't be a long trip from Rexburg.

Placing a murder victim's body in another deceased person's grave (or in the vault, prior to it being placed in the grave) would be putting it somewhere that is very unlikely to be discovered as unearthing it would require the approval of the deceased's family. CD was probably a lot more familiar with the systems/controls in place at the cemetery he and his brothers worked at than those he and they hadn't.

Also, CD told TD's family that he would not be returning to Springville to visit them after TD's funeral there, which seemed particularly cold.

Maybe he wants to keep his distance from Springville for more than just the reason that he considers Tammy part of the past life visible from his rearview mirror.

 

[Deerrun]

Did MG come to Rexburg from AZ or from UT? I ask because I wonder if CD wanted to talk to a mutual associate of his and MG's in AZ at a time when he could be certain MG would not be around.

Idk if MG was coming from Utah or AZ. I thought she lived in AZ but not sure maybe someone else knows.

 

[indicolite22]

Yes, but the person to whom I responded said CD had traveled to a town nearby there around Sept 17 (not long after TR was last seen). And we don't know if he traveled there later, but it wouldn't be a long trip from Rexburg.

Placing a murder victim's body in another deceased person's grave (or in the vault, prior to it being placed in the grave) would be putting it somewhere that is very unlikely to be discovered as unearthing it would require the approval of the deceased's family. CD was probably a lot more familiar with the systems/controls in place at the cemetery he and his brothers worked at than those he and they hadn't.

Also, CD told TD's family that he would not be returning to Springville to visit them after TD's funeral there, which seemed particularly cold.

Maybe he wants to keep his distance from Springville for more than just the reason that he considers Tammy part of the past life visible from his rearview mirror.

Tylee was last seen on September 8. IMO it is likely that she was "disappeared" on that day or very soon after. I doubt they would be keeping her body around until the 17th. The cemetery theory seems more complicated and carries more risk than a simpler explanation.

 

[carbuff]

It's a long way from Rexburg to Springville. If Chad and the gang wanted to hide bodies, they didn't need to transport them to Utah. IMO there were suitable locations much closer to home where they would not be seen.

People who take bodies somewhere often go to a place they're familiar with even if it's quite a distance away. It's part of their "comfort zone." @margarita25 knows a lot more about this than I do.

 

[cb73]

Good post, and if she indeed did not have her GED, why would she lie?

1. To protect her mother
2. She was part of the agenda

Any more possibilities?

I believe I read that she was very bright, so if she just did not want to go to school, getting a GED would have been easy for her. She had her own transportation.

MOO

Could Tylee simply been told something like--you know, when you passed all your classes at the end of the year, you automatically get a GED in case you don't go back next year.

I could kind of see her mother saying something like that to get extra babysitting time. And why wouldn't Tylee believe her?