Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #35

[nhmemorymaker]

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thanks....

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

all JMO
I don’t know what to think about MG. I watched her interview with a fair amount of skepticism. If Chad and Lori hadn’t put her in a situation where she had to lie to LE, I think she would still be happily going along with them, eager and grateful to play a part in their delusions.

I doubt Lori was ever a great mother. More than likely, CV and JR contributed a lot to the child care. Uncle Alex and cousin Melani were around often and possibly helped out as well. I agree Lori did not bond with JJ and because he was not her biological child, it was easier for her to allow Chad to hang the label “dark” on him. She no longer wanted the responsibility of caring for JJ but was too spiteful to give him to his Grandparents. Tylee had to disappear because she never would have stood by silently if JJ was suddenly gone. I doubt either of the kids were very happy with all the inconsistencies in their lives.

The only certainty I have in this case is that the sane people around Lori and Chad are either dead or in fear for their lives.

Lori was just as willing to have that label placed on Tylee, and much much earlier, so IMO has nothing to do with biological vs. adopted. Lori has several personality disorders as well as just being a horrible, selfish, lustful greedy person, which interfere with her ability to truly care for anyone besides herself.
I do agree wholeheartedly with the portion BBM. I don't think people who haven't been a victim to a narcissist's abuse truly understand how destructive this spite can be. Moo.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

https://twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1268213994638028800/photo/1
#LoriVallow


RESPONSE TO STATE’S REQUEST FOR DISCOVERY: Attorney Mark Means says Madison Co. prosecution made a vague allegation without providing discovery. State asks for alabi defense of 4-5 months showing specific places LV has been at time of alleged offenses. #fox10phoenix







9:12 AM · Jun 3, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

 

[j_in_c]

I was at Yellowstone Sunday, May 31.

While I did see a few spots (maybe 10 or so) of very small patches of snow on the ground—there wasn’t enough per patch to gather for a 2’ snowman!

If requested, I can post photos when I get a better reception. I am still still road-tripping and have limited bandwidth, internet connection and time.

Although JMO, I can state with absolute certainty that the very small patches of snow on the ground is NOT preventing a search in Yellowstone.

I don't think we are going to see large scale ground searches in Yellowstone. I am hoping that LE was able to gather enough information either thru electronic bread crumbs or from CD and LV's inner circle who are now assisting LE. The park is massive and it is completely impractical to attempt to ground search it without guidance on where to look.

 

[wenwe4]

I am mainstream LDS and this is not mainstream doctrine. These people are conniving, using truth and adding in their own twist. It's how they have led astray good people.

Welcome to WS AliKaye!

 

[MsJosie]

I don't think we are going to see large scale ground searches in Yellowstone. I am hoping that LE was able to gather enough information either thru electronic bread crumbs or from CD and LV's inner circle who are now assisting LE. The park is massive and it is completely impractical to attempt to ground search it without guidance on where to look.

i agree....I think FBI, LE and all that need to know, know where the kids are. They have what they need to go forward with this case. There is something else going on that is making the case go slow, other then Covid. It is hard for us to wait patiently.

 

[Tortoise]

I'm looking forward to getting Scott Reisch's (Crime Talk youtube channel) perspective on this. It seems MM has no intention of working on a defense, he just wants to gather information on the murder investigations, which he will never get. If there are competency issues here (not really if, IMO) the sooner he is booted the better. I pray the prosecutor will not agree to another continuance because it's obvious MM will never be ready for preliminary hearing. I think the prosecutor should ask for a hearing before the prelim to get all this resolved before July.

MOO

 

[wenwe4]

i agree....I think FBI, LE and all that need to know, know where the kids are. They have what they need to go forward with this case. There is something else going on that is making the case go slow, other then Covid. It is hard for us to wait patiently.

June 22, 2020? (just kidding)

 

[wenwe4]

I'm looking forward to getting Scott Reisch's (Crime Talk youtube channel) perspective on this. It seems MM has no intention of working on a defense, he just wants to gather information on the murder investigations, which he will never get. If there are competency issues here (not really if, IMO) the sooner he is booted the better. I pray the prosecutor will not agree to another continuance because it's obvious MM will never be ready for preliminary hearing. I think the prosecutor should ask for a hearing before the prelim to get all this resolved before July.

MOO

I am sure this has been discussed but truly if she passed some sort of mental status exam, or was interviewed by a County Designated Mental Health Professional who does have ability to detain if necessary, Lori would have little to no recourse to go on a defense that was some sort of diminished capacity at the time of the children's disappearance. She cannot stand on both sides of the fence at the same time without it causing her pain IMO

 

[indicolite22]

From Nate Eaton's interview with MG (part 1):

"Have you heard anything about burner phones? Sixty burner phones being used to communicate or..."

Where did Nate get that number? Is it something that he learned from LE?

 

[MTW2011]

Mr. Means is no longer including his Instagram handle on his contact info on official court paperwork. JMO but it was a bit unprofessional looking that he had it listed on any of his paperwork but now his contact info isn’t even uniform and the same across all his documents which also looks a bit sloppy.

Bummer too, if I was his client I’d definitely wanna use Instagram to discuss the details of my case

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

When is Mark Means going to be replaced? Imo he’s buying time with his requests and memos.

Also wouldn’t you want an expert defense lawyer instead of someone who specializes in mediation?

All jmo

 

[indicolite22]

Same interview as above. MG:

"There was paperwork that showed all the Twelve Apostles to the Old Testament apostles, prophets, people and their friends that they knew currently. Maybe some movie stars or people... just in general they had like four, maybe four pages... I don't know how many pages, and that was created by Chad, and he would say these are who they are, this is what lives they lived, this is how many times they've been on, so yes, it was a whole document, it was a whole planning. I mean, they would write down on paper, like this is how many lives, this is how... what it needs to... to get to this level you need to go to this many. I mean, it was quite the plan, if that makes sense, it was quite the detailed list. And I know that Charles was aware of it, because he sent it out to a lot of people."

So Charles knew about Chad's doctrine of multiple probations and let other people (probably outside the cult) know, but nothing happened. When was this? What do those people say now? IMO Lori's sister and mother knew about it.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I am mainstream LDS and this is not mainstream doctrine. These people are conniving, using truth and adding in their own twist. It's how they have led astray good people.

And it is not just this group. We have discovered that there are a large number of these folks who were mainstream LDS who have run with these scissors. Most of them that I have researched fit the narcissistic subtle-but-slimy hero worship kind of folks.

 

[Drc40]

Means response is laughable. I smell another hearing or a delay in the preliminary.

 

[Deerrun]

How much do you want to bet that in the end he waives the preliminary hearing and goes straight to trial. I think you can only postpone 3 times per side, please correct me if I am wrong. I think what someone else said may be true imo they are hoping a high profile lawyer picks it up pro bono. Not sure if there are any attorneys out there that will take on 2 missing (deceased children) kids. If no one picks up the case than I bet it will go to a public defender. Means is in over his head and he knows it. This is a tactic imo

 

[Ohmeohmy]

iCourt Portal - Online records & payments for the Idaho courts
Case Information
CV33-20-0088 | In the Matter of the Guardianship and Conservatorship of: Joshua Vallow, A Minor Child.

06/05/2020 Status Conference

Judicial Officer
Eddins, Faren Z.

Hearing Time
9:00 AM

*Just showing what is on our up coming calendar of events

 

[Knox]

Same interview as above. MG:

"There was paperwork that showed all the Twelve Apostles to the Old Testament apostles, prophets, people and their friends that they knew currently. Maybe some movie stars or people... just in general they had like four, maybe four pages... I don't know how many pages, and that was created by Chad, and he would say these are who they are, this is what lives they lived, this is how many times they've been on, so yes, it was a whole document, it was a whole planning. I mean, they would write down on paper, like this is how many lives, this is how... what it needs to... to get to this level you need to go to this many. I mean, it was quite the plan, if that makes sense, it was quite the detailed list. And I know that Charles was aware of it, because he sent it out to a lot of people."

So Charles knew about Chad's doctrine of multiple probations and let other people (probably outside the cult) know, but nothing happened. When was this? What do those people say now? IMO Lori's sister and mother knew about it.[/QUOTE]
I agree, they did know some of it, maybe not to the degree we know now. It's hard to believe Charles didn't also tell Lori's Mom or another extended family member.

IMO, they are used to being shut out of certain parts of her life. Weddings for example, which are normally a family occasion

Nothing about their interviews rang true to me. Had they simply said - Lori has always sort of beat to her own drum. There are things in her life she kept private, we didn't always know what was really going on. She was raised in the Church, we all were. However we've seen some of the information in the media and it seems she may have strayed a bit. We certainly don't hold those beliefs. We're worried about Tylee & JJ. We are praying she will speak the truth and tell where the children are.

 

[indicolite22]

MG said in the interview with Nate Eaton that Chad told Lori that Ned Snyder was Charles' friend who died and then his unclean spirit attached himself to Charles. Charles remembered the name as Nick Schneider, but didn't seem to recognize it. Did Chad just make it up and Lori didn't bother to check if a person with that name existed in Charles' life? Of course Chad could have claimed it was someone from Charles' previous existence.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Hahaha. Means is fun. I like that his entire response to the state was basically either (1), ‘we know nothing, and are hoping you won’t notice’; (2), ‘You first.’