Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #41

[janx]

https://twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1273753722321920000?s=21
New Video in link
NEW BWC FOOTAGE: Gilbert PD just sent us body cam video of Charles Vallow outside a hotel on 1/31/19 regarding his petition to have Lori Vallow held for a mental health evaluation. #fox10phoenix

This is just so incredibly sad...

 

[Tricia]

Sheryl McCollum joins us to discuss the random killings of homeless people in Atlanta. Also we will discuss what Lori Vallow's niece said and Chad's latest filing.
That's tonight at 10 PM Eastern. CLICK HERE TO JOIN US LIVE ON WEBSLEUTHS YOUTUBE

 

[book-thinker]

Probably to Plan the Wedding, IMO

Also--curious as to "when" in October as TD was gone visiting her parents so did CD meet up with them in Hawaii ??
Or was LVD there when TD died ??
UGH-- trying to get this darn timeline straight is quite the challenge when new stuff keeps popping up.

Everything about this case reminds me of a maze. We have two beautiful children murdered. With so many family members involved my head is spinning. Who did what to who and when it happened. I just finished reading the petition for the upcoming custody’s hearing of MP’s children . I can’t believe some of the information in this document. It beginning to seem as if she knows more than she’s telling anyone.
She visited LVD in Hawaii sometime in October after the children went missing.

 

[fred&edna]

He screwed himself by not immediately taking the leo's advice on going to pick up JJ from school. It would have shown that his level of concern matched what he was saying to them. Instead he was more concerned about payroll - understandable but it undermined his point.

If only he had shown that was his top priority in that moment.

Charles attempted to do all things correctly... he called LE, gave LE the paperwork, he told them he was going to see his attorney to file a restraining order, etc. I'm pro-LE good guys, but saying Charles screwed himself... well, that is particularly harsh. jmo

Heck, Lori had threatened to kill him. I give the guy aces for his behavior.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Part 1
Charles Vallow outside a hotel on 1/31/19 regarding his petition to have Lori Vallow held for a mental health evaluation

I find this video absolutely horrible ..Charles is begging for help and explaining how unhinged Lori with these beliefs. Lori is also going to the Temple daily. (Gilbert AZ) MOO

 

[Boxer]

I totally understand the frustration at what happened, but Fremont County coroner is a very low paying part-time job with 24/7/365 responsibilities. The ultimate responsibility of the coroner is to make sure the Sheriff knows and investigates if something is suspicious.

The part-time, elected, no medical training required coroner system should be changed IMO. But that is a far different statement than saying this particular coroner did something wrong in this particular case.

All MOO.

Idaho Code Ann. § 19-4301.
"If a death occurs that is not attended by a physician and the cause of death cannot be certified by a physician, the coroner must refer the investigation of the death to the sheriff of the county"

MOO it's an elected position, meaning Brenda Dye campaigned for the job and it's responsibilities. Apparently she is an EMT which is more than enough medical and legal training to know what to do, i.e. send the case to the medical examiner (the law you quoted) when a death is not attended by a physician.

Why did she let is slide?

 

[The First Article]

Just explain how that would’ve helped, I’m just not following you. Not trying to be confrontational, I just don’t understand how it would’ve changed anything?

The LEOs are trying to assess if CV is abusive and over reacting to get them to help him. (don't follow her)

Not thinking this situation is dangerous enough to go get his son (which he would be fully in his rights to do) undermines his point that Lori is dangerous and he is afraid of her for himself and the kids.

If he had take the advice to go get his son it would have been perceived as him feeling a significant and imminent sense of danger. He wanted to believe his wife could be helped, and not do this but in not going it undermined him.

If you get advice from a leo in these situations, take it. He didn't do something wrong - he just didn't help himself and if he had it might have provided the people evaluating the situation evidence of fear. They can act on that even if it is sub-consciously done. Cannot say that things would have been different, but Lori didn't want JJ. She would have tried to get him to screw over CV but not because she had a genuine desire to have him. This would have triggered some extra court issues and she would have been too lazy to follow through on it much longer so as to complete her mission.

Nothing CV could have known. But it would have made LVD go to court, and her contempt would have been more obvious in that situation favouring CV. Charles was still granting Lori that she was a Motherly-Woman - but she isn't and likely never really was.

I feel very badly for him. He seems like a decent enough guy in a crazy situation. Knowing to just take the leo's advice could have changed some things.

If you find yourself in a crazy situation, take the advice.

 

[Boxer]

Everything about this case reminds me of a maze. We have two beautiful children murdered. With so many family members involved my head is spinning. Who did what to who and when it happened. I just finished reading the petition for the upcoming custody’s hearing of MP’s children . I can’t believe some of the information in this document. It beginning to seem as if she knows more than she’s telling anyone.
She visited LVD in Hawaii sometime in October after the children went missing.

Terrible.

 

[janx]

Yeah, his and Lori's stories did NOT match up and he told 2 different scenarios.
I call BS
JMO

I have heard different renditions of this horrible event and still think that Tylee saw a lot of it.

 

[887sMtreme]

AFAIK you can change it whenever.

The regulations vary from state to state.

 

[Boxer]

I have a feeling Tylee saw through MBP and thought she was "full of it". No doubt, MBP was on the receiving end of the eye rolls, sassiness, telling her off, and not sparing any punches.
I also have a feeling MBP was trying to make Tylee look bad in this piece—as in "she was an uppity teenager, good riddance"—while seeming to be a caring auntie. Evil.

Tylee dragging herself to Idaho to be there for JJ makes her a hero as well. She was old enough to get away and had her GED.

 

[janx]

The leo's are trying to assess if CV is abusive and over reacting to get them to help him. (don't follow her)

Not thinking this situation is dangerous enough to go get his son (which he would be fully in his rights to do) undermines his point that Lori is dangerous and he is afraid of her for himself and the kids.

If he had take the advice to go get his son it would have been perceived as him feeling a significant and imminent sense of danger. He wanted to believe his wife could be helped, and not do this but in not going it undermined him.

If you get advice from a leo in these situations, take it. He didn't do something wrong - he just didn't help himself and if he had it might have provided the people evaluating the situation evidence of fear. They can act on that even if it is sub-consciously done. Cannot say that things would have been different, but Lori didn't want JJ. She would have tried to get him to screw over CV but not because she had a genuine desire to have him. This would have triggered some extra court issues and she would have been too lazy to follow through on it much longer so as to complete her mission.

Nothing CV could have known. But it would have made LVD go to court, and her contempt would have been more obvious in that situation favouring CV. Charles was still granting Lori that she was a Motherly-Woman - but she isn't and likely never really was.

I feel very badly for him. He seems like a decent enough guy in a crazy situation. Knowing to just take the leo's advice could have changed some things.

If you find yourself in a crazy situation, take the advice.

The problem that I have with it is that in hindsight, the young cop didn't seem to realize the seriousness of the situation and treated CV like a guy who didn't understand logic. CV knew full well what the cop was telling him, and he understood why--CV was not some delusional old man.

 

[Boxer]

Can't wait to "hear their side of the story when all the media dies down." Crazy liars.
So sad for the children, MOO Tylee especially as she could see the crazy and did not abandon JJ. Generally Mormons are great to their children. She drew a very bad lot.

 

[The First Article]

The problem that I have with it is that in hindsight, the young cop didn't seem to realize the seriousness of the situation and treated CV like a guy who didn't understand logic. CV knew full well what the cop was telling him, and he understood why--CV was not some delusional old man.

The one police officer (the woman) didn't fully believe him or didn't think Lori's want to be married to Moroni was all that big an issue and reacted at one point with annoyance at what she seems to have thought was a religious slight. The young police officer was just doing his job and that format of questioning being emotionally difficult is intentional. The young officer did an admirable job of using it too while giving Charles a way forward. The younger officer wanted to help him.

The dissatisfaction you feel at this style of questioning is an intended effect of it.

 

[JoJoJoey2407]

Yes, I keep forgetting we have other sources on the timeline that challenge MG's statements:

June 2017 – Family members say Lori and Chad first met sometime around June 2017 (Daily Mail).

Summer of 2017 – Chad meets author and podcaster, Melanie Gibb (MG), for the first time after he speaks at a campout in Northern Utah. MG invites him to speak in her hometown of Mesa, Arizona (Chad's Forward for MG's book).

24 Sept 2017 – Tylee’s 15th birthday. Lori posts a “happy birthday” message to her on Instagram that mentions Perry High School in Gilbert, AZ. @lolo4kauai on Instagram: “My Beautiful daughter turned 15 today ! Happy birthday Ty Ty !! I love you so much!!! JJ says "hi Tylee Ryan Perry High School " ”

Dec 2017 – Lori and Chad made their first appearance together on a podcast (Daily Mail)

Tyler's birthday is on Sept. 24th? That is so close (albeit 2 years earlier when LVD did that bday greeting to her) than when JJ was last seen! JMO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Dbm- forgot my quote

 

[sassyblue]

Well, they couldn't let the spouses live because they wanted/needed the Life Insurance policy $$
AS for the kids.. I have no idea why they had to be killed.
JJ could have gone to live with Kay and Larry and Tylee was 17, almost 18 so there really was no reason at all except that CD and LVD, IMO did not want to be bothered with kids.
It was not in their future plan.
Such Evil, Evil people
JMO

MONEY...the kids brought in money every month....more money than most people make in a month. That is exactly why the kids were murdered. Those people are more than evil. May they rot in hell.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

The leo's are trying to assess if CV is abusive and over reacting to get them to help him. (don't follow her)

Not thinking this situation is dangerous enough to go get his son (which he would be fully in his rights to do) undermines his point that Lori is dangerous and he is afraid of her for himself and the kids.

If he had take the advice to go get his son it would have been perceived as him feeling a significant and imminent sense of danger. He wanted to believe his wife could be helped, and not do this but in not going it undermined him.

If you get advice from a leo in these situations, take it. He didn't do something wrong - he just didn't help himself and if he had it might have provided the people evaluating the situation evidence of fear. They can act on that even if it is sub-consciously done. Cannot say that things would have been different, but Lori didn't want JJ. She would have tried to get him to screw over CV but not because she had a genuine desire to have him. This would have triggered some extra court issues and she would have been too lazy to follow through on it much longer so as to complete her mission.

Nothing CV could have known. But it would have made LVD go to court, and her contempt would have been more obvious in that situation favouring CV. Charles was still granting Lori that she was a Motherly-Woman - but she isn't and likely never really was.

I feel very badly for him. He seems like a decent enough guy in a crazy situation. Knowing to just take the leo's advice could have changed some things.

If you find yourself in a crazy situation, take the advice.

I really believe you should follow LE’s advice, yes. But I want to make sure you and I are working with the same facts. I feel so strongly about CV’s character, that I can’t drop trying to understand you.

Are you saying that CV should have gone and got his son, and left with him and that would have prompted some legal issue? What issue would that have been unless he refused to give him back to Lori which the officer also made sure to tell him NOT to do? So I don’t understand how you listen to one thing they say, but not the other?

IMHO, what he shouldn’t have done is never drop the divorce proceedings and try to get back together. But that isn’t what either one of us are discussing.

I know this is just both our opinions. I do value opinions and discussion.

 

[SiberianSleuth]

Where did the ”omg looks so much like the one in the yard” or something like that come from? I just posted ”dog statue” and the link. Who made the rest of the comment? Are random deletes legit here? I really don't think the dog has anything to do with anything I just wanted to put the dog/camera thing to rest.

 

[RickshawFan]

Understood. For folks that have been here a long time and understand each others "personality"... we sometime say stuff that is misinterpreted by others. I have done a few posts recently which others that are new ... MOO ... misinterpreted.

But for folks that "know" us, they get it vs. new folks that don't?

If that makes sense.

All is good!

So well said. This gives me an opportunity to give an example, because it has happened to me recently, too, and it quite unnerved me.
To set things straight....I have many times over the years used the word "biff" in WS in an otherwise empty post. It means "screw up" (see Urban Dictionary, biff), namely, "I had to delete a post because I screwed up and posted it twice."
No threat and no personal slight. At all.