Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #42

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According to the probable cause documents that states AC's cell phone movements, his phone was at the location of Buckaroo Bill's BBQ from 18:45 to 19:02 (Sunday, September 8, 2019.)

It appears to me from my own research that this restaurant, Buckaroo Bill's BBQ is closed for business on Sunday's. Regular hours of operation are Monday - Saturday 11am to 10pm.

Anyone here want to discuss what was happening there and then? Because it doesn't look like it was to pick up dinner or ice cream. o_O

Good find !!
Just wondering though if this schedule of hours is AFTER COVID19 ?
I know a lot of restaurants around here now have different hours and days open/closed than what they had BEFORE the COVID 19 shutdown.
Do we know what the hours were in SEPT 2019 ??
Would they have been closed on a Weekend day when I would suspect weekends are the busiest times for visitors to the area ??
We have businesses that were closed one day during the week and now closed 2 days as they are re=opening for business or they have shortened hours daily.
JMO
 
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Edit: Was supposed to include the question/quote from proctorelite re abuse. My bad - thumb-typing on phone.

(Mods, please delete if this is not allowed)

I've wondered for a while what happened in LV's family to send LV & AC so far off-kilter.

The violent activity with LV's prior husband(s) indicate their moral compass was/is way off for some time now.

Sometimes due to mental illness or other aspects beyond their control, good loving families end up raising children who go off the rails.

But for both LV and AC to be so far outside the bounds of normal morality, it seems like there may have been a crime or crimes many years ago against the young LCVD & AC?

We also know that many times formerly abused people will come unhinged (clinical term) when their children reach the age they were when they were abused.

When you add in what appears to be traits of NPD to LVCD, with the added stressors of a teen daughter becoming a woman ("competition" to Ns, a normal reasonable mild crisis for most mothers) there's potential for things to go wrong. Usually not murder, of course.

There's something to the fact you see LCVD in red lipstick but never see TR with that same facade of "glamour." That might actually be protection/self-protection.

When I first read TR was to be going to college, I was astounded, because in some ways, she looked like a very, very young 17. In a way, she seemed "forever young," which is one way of keeping Mom's "competition" in check and staying on good terms in this household.

One thing is certain, the boundaries between the Cox siblings were very malleable - where did they learn that?

Someone asked this many, many threads back, and I wonder, too - what was in this for AxC?

Why did he need that much approval from his sister that he'd do these heinous things (starting with the known assault on TR's father, and including everything we know and everything else that DIDN'T make the news). Sure, a person hopefully stands up for their siblings, even as adults, but this goes soooooo far beyond that.

Plus, the guy is in jail after the assault on TR's father and STILL bent on revenge (via the jail letter to his friend). I mean, you're basically in ICU with a burned-up nub of a hand from putting it on the hot stove, and your response is to try to figure out how to get your other hand on the hot stove? The letter wasn't even anything LCVD would have ostensibly seen, so it's not posturing for her approval, it's very clearly a revenge obsession with someone who technically didn't do anything to him (that we're aware of, although I can only assume a polite "Could you please extract yourself from our marriage, dear brother-in-law" might have been issued by at least two husbands?). What causes that kind of deep-seeded revenge fantasies, and is it an indication of an overall familial break with reality that would allow these atrocities?

What did AxC miss out on as a child that made him need to be "this important" as an accessory to his sister?

It's also clear that TR was "parentified" in her role as caretaker for JJ. The fact she was a "little adult" more or less removes another boundary to protect her and protect her years of innocent childhood.

Likewise, while LCVD was busy on her husband carousel, she was most certainly not busy being a vigilant mother (unless she has incredible multitasking skills beyond mortal humans? Oh, but she is a "God," isn't she?).

That was a lot of broad musing, proctorelites, in reply to your thoughts, but I would have to agree the CONDITIONS to enable abuse were certainly there and the protections that prevent such atrocities from happening wholly absent.

That may be too much horror for our outraged minds to process right now, but statistics indicate it happens so much more than people recognize. We just don't talk about it.

But again, I think many of us here are at maximum capacity for sadness, dismay, horror, and heartbreak, so while it may be 100% relevant to motivations on both LCVD & AxC's part, it might be too much for some to delve into at the moment?

I hope it didn't happen. Dear lord, let that child have escaped SOME of the horrors that could have befallen her. Please, please, please. She had more than her fair share of burdens in her short lifetime, and a premature departure that even Stephen King could not have conjured... "Unfair" is such an understatement.
 
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It looks like DW asked Chad where Lori's kids were. Chad replied that he couldn't tell him "for his own safety". What was he insinuating? That JJ's relatives were a dangerous bunch? Luckily DW didn't seem to have believed him, but some of Chad's other friends likely did.

https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow/status/1274525533234098177
 
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I just don't believe that is what happened to TR or the reason for his trip to Mavericks but that is JMO (I do not know, nobody knows right now)
I do know that the family did NOT drink due to a news article when CV first married LVD and it was mentioned.
I will agree with you that all bets are off with their religious beliefs once they got all wrapped up with CD, MG, JM and company and anything is possible.
They all could have become drinkers since their beliefs did go out the window and they became cult minded monsters. IMO

I am not saying that they drank. I am saying that alcohol was used to incapacitate Tylee. Then I believe she was taken to chads and shot because they knew she was still alive. I don't believe they became drinkers. Alex worked at night clubs that had a lot of drinking going on, so who knows what he did. Just my opinion on what I think happened. :)
 
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Good find !!
Just wondering though if this schedule of hours is AFTER COVID19 ?
I know a lot of restaurants around here now have different hours and days open/closed than what they had BEFORE the COVID 19 shutdown.
Do we know what the hours were in SEPT 2019 ??
Would they have been closed on a Weekend day when I would suspect weekends are the busiest times for visitors to the area ??
We have businesses that were closed one day during the week and now closed 2 days as they are re=opening for business or they have shortened hours daily.
JMO

Here's the listing from the Moon Travel Guide for Montana and Wyoming published in April 2015 showing seasonal hours Monday through Saturday. I think we can conclude it was closed on Sunday last September.

BuckarooBills.JPG
 
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He could have. But that likely would have taken much more arranging - Delta PHX to SLC and a rental car perhaps. Idaho Falls is also a small airport. I personally think the Allegiant flights are the obvious ones this group used and we have at least two examples supporting that.
Sure, it’s about 5-10 more minutes of clicking on a website but when it’s a matter of having to stay overnight multiple nights vs coming home to your mistress and your unfolding criminal conspiracy sooner you might see that as a worthwhile investment of another 10 minutes.

Anyway the good news is that there is a vast paper, camera, google search, text and cell ping trail that the police will have looked at (or will be looking at) so this is all knowable if we are patient and the AG presents this as part of their case.
 
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According to the probable cause documents that states AC's cell phone movements, his phone was at the location of Buckaroo Bill's BBQ from 18:45 to 19:02 (Sunday, September 8, 2019.)

It appears to me from my own research that this restaurant, Buckaroo Bill's BBQ is closed for business on Sunday's. Regular hours of operation are Monday - Saturday 11am to 10pm.

Anyone here want to discuss what was happening there and then? Because it doesn't look like it was to pick up dinner or ice cream. o_O
Several things occur to me:
1. Hours posted are COVID hours and were not the same in September 2019
2. The Zombie Gang parked right there, but ate somewhere else (the street gets very congested)
3. One member of the party—but not Alex—picked up take out from another restaurant
4. The Zombie Gang were actually parked elsewhere and just AxC was up to something in the BBQ parking lot.
 
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I live in a rural area and we have a lot of feral pigs. It's not unusual to hear gunshots but it's not a daily occurance, maybe once a month or two. If someone asked me if I heard any shots lately I'd say yes but couldn't tell you if it was May or February. It's common enough to be unremarkable but uncommon enough to be memorable. I have no idea what it is like near where Chad lived. But we'd need to know a whole lot more about how common raccoon/vermin shootings are in the area to judge this report. Personally I think the raccoon story is a cover for Tammy. Chad may or may not have fired his gun to support the cover but ultimately it is irrelevant.

The raccoon part is irrelevant but the lie to cover a gunshot is relevant if there is a bullet hole in the remains, which we don’t know yet.
 
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ha ha ha! First I have heard that one!
Funny but there are records of extended family referring to her that way from years ago. I think Annie Cushing among them.
 
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And she says it all so matter of factly. She seems to think it's ludicrous. Then, for gosh sake, respond like it's ludicrous: do something. Tell someone. Run it by someone for a reality check.
I feel nothing but rage for these crazies. They see this bizarre stuff going down, they call it crazy, but they don't report any of it? The LDS has a whole network of bishops, for gosh sake. They wouldn't have had to go to LE. They could have just consulted a bishop to get guidance. And they just carry on.
And they just keep going with their own crazy vlogs. As if they aren't part of the problem.
And then they sound surprised that crazy in fact turned out to be crazy.
Then they whitewash themselves with christian forgiveness, and all is love and roses.
This is what I can’t get past! All these people knew something was not right. Especially MBP! I hope she gets charged with Conspiracy for AC’s attempt on BB’s life. She failed all the children, including her own, and she needs to be removed from society. All the rest of them need to just go away.
 
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The BBQ stop was after leaving the West Yellowstone entrance/exit on September 8, 2019. Tylee was photographed at the entrance, going in, and also at the park, but not photographed or seen since being in the park that day. :(
Now I'm confused. I thought they entered the Park via Jackson and made a loop trip. I remember being surprised they went that way. Maybe this will be clearer after we get more ping reports from LE.
 
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It looks like DW asked Chad where Lori's kids were. Chad replied that he couldn't tell him "for his own safety". What was he insinuating? That JJ's relatives were a dangerous bunch? Luckily DW didn't seem to have believed him, but some of Chad's other friends likely did.

https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow/status/1274525533234098177

I thought this coincided with MG's interview with Nate. DW is Melanie's friend that she speaks about (starting approx 1:08:50)... it's the same info provided. *Melanie querying "Why am I in danger?". DW and MG were told the same thing by Chad at the same time/same phone call. JMO **ETA: And, did Chad provide and answer why MG and DW were in danger??

 
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I bet in so many ways there are quite a few local folks who are very happy that the pandemic has closed all of the in person church services right now. I cannot imagine how some of these folks can face their fellow parishioners after their names have been so publicly aligned with LVD & CD. The quandary of whether to show your face at church or have people wonder why you aren't attending service this Sunday, has been eliminated for a short period of time. There have to have been other "gatherers" to the cause and people proselyting they had more to the story (ie: First born, Avow, Pap, 144k, etc) who were encouraging members to come and have a listen to this stuff. Now, how do they qualify that their stuff wasn't harmful when they are being questioned by the LDS mainstream folks in their own wards?
 
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. In the aerial pictures with the backhoe, the dirt pile looks rock-free. So I think the digging for Chad and Alex on Sept 9th was pretty easy. I don't think Alex went to St. Anthony for a pick axe for digging. I think if Alex went to St. Anthony it was to purchase gas (in a gas can) to use to get the fire burning hot in the fire pit. Hope that makes more sense. MOO.

Or simply lighter fluid. I wouldn’t think gasoline personally but I haven’t lit many bonfires.
 
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The raccoon part is irrelevant but the lie to cover a gunshot is relevant if there is a bullet hole in the remains, which we don’t know yet.

A pet cemetery is a place where one would bury one of their beloved pets. A place they could go and reflect on the relationship that they once provided.
If the daytime racoon shooting were true, Why on earth would you bury the carcass in your sentimental pet cemetery with your beloved pets?

It was not a family pet. The racoon was not buddies with anyone in the family. Chad viewed him as a vermin where he had to rush and get his gun and dispatch him.
Why not bury it where it lay.
 
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Edit: Was supposed to include the question/quote from proctorelite re abuse. My bad - thumb-typing on phone.

(Mods, please delete if this is not allowed)

I've wondered for a while what happened in LV's family to send LV & AC so far off-kilter.

The violent activity with LV's prior husband(s) indicate their moral compass was/is way off for some time now.

Sometimes due to mental illness or other aspects beyond their control, good loving families end up raising children who go off the rails.

But for both LV and AC to be so far outside the bounds of normal morality, it seems like there may have been a crime or crimes many years ago against the young LCVD & AC?

We also know that many times formerly abused people will come unhinged (clinical term) when their children reach the age they were when they were abused.

When you add in what appears to be traits of NPD to LVCD, with the added stressors of a teen daughter becoming a woman ("competition" to Ns, a normal reasonable mild crisis for most mothers) there's potential for things to go wrong. Usually not murder, of course.

There's something to the fact you see LCVD in red lipstick but never see TR with that same facade of "glamour." That might actually be protection/self-protection.

When I first read TR was to be going to college, I was astounded, because in some ways, she looked like a very, very young 17. In a way, she seemed "forever young," which is one way of keeping Mom's "competition" in check and staying on good terms in this household.

One thing is certain, the boundaries between the Cox siblings were very malleable - where did they learn that?

Someone asked this many, many threads back, and I wonder, too - what was in this for AxC?

Why did he need that much approval from his sister that he'd do these heinous things (starting with the known assault on TR's father, and including everything we know and everything else that DIDN'T make the news). Sure, a person hopefully stands up for their siblings, even as adults, but this goes soooooo far beyond that.

Plus, the guy is in jail after the assault on TR's father and STILL bent on revenge (via the jail letter to his friend). I mean, you're basically in ICU with a burned-up nub of a hand from putting it on the hot stove, and your response is to try to figure out how to get your other hand on the hot stove? The letter wasn't even anything LCVD would have ostensibly seen, so it's not posturing for her approval, it's very clearly a revenge obsession with someone who technically didn't do anything to him (that we're aware of, although I can only assume a polite "Could you please extract yourself from our marriage, dear brother-in-law" might have been issued by at least two husbands?). What causes that kind of deep-seeded revenge fantasies, and is it an indication of an overall familial break with reality that would allow these atrocities?

What did AxC miss out on as a child that made him need to be "this important" as an accessory to his sister?

It's also clear that TR was "parentified" in her role as caretaker for JJ. The fact she was a "little adult" more or less removes another boundary to protect her and protect her years of innocent childhood.

Likewise, while LCVD was busy on her husband carousel, she was most certainly not busy being a vigilant mother (unless she has incredible multitasking skills beyond mortal humans? Oh, but she is a "God," isn't she?).

That was a lot of broad musing, proctorelites, in reply to your thoughts, but I would have to agree the CONDITIONS to enable abuse were certainly there and the protections that prevent such atrocities from happening wholly absent.

That may be too much horror for our outraged minds to process right now, but statistics indicate it happens so much more than people recognize. We just don't talk about it.

But again, I think many of us here are at maximum capacity for sadness, dismay, horror, and heartbreak, so while it may be 100% relevant to motivations on both LCVD & AxC's part, it might be too much for some to delve into at the moment?

I hope it didn't happen. Dear lord, let that child have escaped SOME of the horrors that could have befallen her. Please, please, please. She had more than her fair share of burdens in her short lifetime, and a premature departure that even Stephen King could not have conjured... "Unfair" is such an understatement.


This family. So much. I know there are many factors that go into determining how a child develops into a person, but a little craziness can really send some children off the rails for life. What we know of the Barry & Janice Cox household (from public documents) is that they are very anti-government with unknown ways of supporting their family. So the kids grow up distrusting of everyone and in a house where there are a ton of secrets. We read in Steve Cope's (Melani P's bio dad who tried to keep her away from the Coxes) custody documents that Melani's mom Stacey was a sick individual. It truly sounds like she was delusional and created a situation that may have cost her her life. The short time Melani was with her was an unstable time for Melani and Steve tried to do his best to get his daughter into a normal environment. The Coxes did everything to paint him as the bad guy that was Stacey's enemy. (A family trait of character assassination?) Then Alex, whom we know quite a bit about - all concerning. Lori, really, a life of instability of going from man to man - Nelson Yanes straight out of high school, then William Lagioia (Colby's dad?,) Joe Ryan, and Charles Vallow. While we do not know much from Yanes, I believe we heard that there was a question whether Lagioia was actually Colby's dad. How horrible for Colby & Lagioia to go through that drama. We know the custody battle and angst Lori caused Joe Ryan and how she kept Tylee from him. And we all know how she tortured Charles. We have seen Summer and believe her to be less than truthful. We don't know much about Adam but it does seem like he may no longer be on Team Cox. There was also a female infant (Laura?) that died young but I am not sure we know the circumstances. For people described as devout in their religion, they sure seem narcissistic, self-absorbed, entitled and without empathy. So glad I never crossed any of their paths. JMO MOO
 
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Chad told Tammy he was going to BYU "to write", but likely went there to meet with Lori.

Ahh, I read that wrong
I thought Tammy was saying that. Ignore me, I hadn't had my coffee
 
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re: Buckaroo Bill's hours
There are reviews on TripAdvisor from Sept 2015 and Sept 2016 both stating that the restaurant is closed on Sundays. I think it's reasonable, then, to assume that it was also closed in Sept 2019.
BUCKAROO BILLS, West Yellowstone - Menu, Prices & Restaurant Reviews - Tripadvisor

The most reasonable explanation is simply that they were stopping for food on the way out of Yellowstone and that they happened to park there while someone ran into one of the other nearby restaurants to get food. I think the only reason this is included here is to establish that the family left Yellowstone and didn't make any unexplained detours on the way back to Rexburg. JMO.
 
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