Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #43

[KonaHonu]

The guy totally deserves it. A class act reporter in a tiny market, who got his well deserved time in the sun. Good for him.

He didn't just get his well deserved time in the sun - he is doing an excellent job reporting fairly and objectively, getting interviews with key players, and finding all kinds of information about the case. As a side note, I bet he is making a lot of money for his company. EIN is getting traffic from all over the world and I bet they are raking it in with advertising. And I applaud them for that!

 

[MassGuy]

He didn't just get his well deserved time in the sun - he is doing an excellent job reporting fairly and objectively, getting interviews with key players, and finding all kinds of information about the case. As a side note, I bet he is making a lot of money for his company. EIN is getting traffic from all over the world and I bet they are raking it in with advertising. And I applaud them for that!

Definitely. But people like him who work in small markets, almost never get this opportunity. He more than rose to the occasion, and it’s awesome to see.

He crushed it.

 

[KonaHonu]

I grew up in the evangelical community. You'd be amazed how common people like MG are. They don't have a strong sense of individual identity, and instead depend on their social group for validation and to give them identity. Saying her suspicions out loud would have cut her off from the group. As crazy as it sounds, being ostracized by that group, by Lori, Chad and Alex, probably seemed more terrifying in the moment than the possibility that Lori was willing to act on her beliefs. JMO.

I've refrained from posting much about MG because...TOS. But I think it is acceptable to comment on something she has publically said about herself. In her book available for preview on Amazon she says she grew up in a very disfunctional householdand her parents converted to LDS when she was young, I think middle-school age-ish. I'm no psychologist but I think that goes a long way to explain her personality now.

But I would separate her from the other personalities in this drama. In the end she did the right thing and she realizes now that they were crazy. It's not hard to discover that she was going through her own trials and tribulations and probably needed her friends even when they started saying crazy things. So I will come to her defense and ask people to stop painting her with the same brush as Chad and Lori.

 

[fuzzybutter]

That smile could be because she interfered with the investigation post-welfare check on the children in November 2019. I think the smile is her joy for the immunity...JMO. She’s culpable. Turned state witness for immunity. She was admittedly Lori’s best friend, new what was going on, was swept away by being in on the secrets as one of the chosen 144,000, police started closing in on her...she had to either go down with them or fess up and turn on them. I have no way to prove it yet but the facts speak for themselves. That’s where the smile comes from...she will make it out of this with no charges but must be a witness for the state against LV and CD.

She is and always be guilty of “stand for nothing and you will fall for anything.” IMO, that’s the inconsistency that pours from her mouth. She’s just covering her own culpability to this sad, preventable story about several innocent dead people. Again, MOO.

Immunity from what? What is her culpability? She’s not the brightest bulb on the porch, she was searching for something to believe and got sucked into the lives of a couple of manipulative sociopaths. But what should she be charged with?

 

[KonaHonu]

DBM

 

[squareandrabbet]

Also she did state that Chad and his kids went to Lori’s for cookies after the memorial for Tammy.

the same way she always stated it, IMO - ‘Lori said’. She never said she had knowledge of this first hand, and why would she? She doesn’t live in Rexburg and never did.

I think LVD didn't turn JJ over to his grandparents out of spite due to CD giving the insurance money his sister. What a hateful, hurtful thing to do.

well, it’s chilling but let’s be frank, once Lori made the decision that Tylee had to be killed, then so did JJ. It’s upsetting but true.

Definitely. But people like him who work in small markets, almost never get this opportunity. He more than rose to the occasion, and it’s awesome to see.

He crushed it.

let’s not forget Eric Grossarth, who has gotten a once in a lifetime internship and experience beyond his wildest dreams; even if nightmares.

 

[Michael0808]

I've refrained from posting much about MG because...TOS. But I think it is acceptable to comment on something she has publically said about herself. In her book available for preview on Amazon she says she grew up in a very disfunctional householdand her parents converted to LDS when she was young, I think middle-school age-ish. I'm no psychologist but I think that goes a long way to explain her personality now.

But I would separate her from the other personalities in this drama. In the end she did the right thing and she realizes now that they were crazy. It's not hard to discover that she was going through her own trials and tribulations and probably needed her friends even when they started saying crazy things. So I will come to her defense and ask people to stop painting her with the same brush as Chad and Lori.

Could you provide a link to her book please? I can’t find it. It’s an interesting addition to info for me if she has a book.
For me it’s extremely difficult to come to the defense of someone who listened to people calling children zombies and did not act to save them. And smiles recounting the events leading to their murder.

I would imagine JJ and Tylee probably needed friends when their mother was saying crazy things about them. And planning their murder. MOO
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[fuzzybutter]

That smile could be because she interfered with the investigation post-welfare check on the children in November 2019. I think the smile is her joy for the immunity...JMO. She’s culpable. Turned state witness for immunity. She was admittedly Lori’s best friend, new what was going on, was swept away by being in on the secrets as one of the chosen 144,000, police started closing in on her...she had to either go down with them or fess up and turn on them. I have no way to prove it yet but the facts speak for themselves. That’s where the smile comes from...she will make it out of this with no charges but must be a witness for the state against LV and CD.

She is and always be guilty of “stand for nothing and you will fall for anything.” IMO, that’s the inconsistency that pours from her mouth. She’s just covering her own culpability to this sad, preventable story about several innocent dead people. Again, MOO.

DBM. Somehow I posted the same thing multiple times

 

[merrypendragon]

Ok so my question...

MG says they (cd and Lvd) were sealed in the temple by angels, I think is how she phrased it.

where ? Which temple? Can they just walk in and do that? Whatever “that” involves?

So does that mean polygamy was ok in their eyes?
(No debate, just curious if we are missing something? )

Not exactly, not with the mainstream LDS church and doing between the two of them when their spouses were still alive (men can be sealed to another woman after divorce or their wife is dead, though). However, doing sealings for the dead is common, even to do with someone who isn't your spouse, and they could have considered that close enough? It's also possible that CD had his own designated temple where he performed the sealing, since he was setting up himself as a leader and may have said he had the sealing power himself. Or, in the celestial room (where people go after doing the whole endowment bit) they may have talked and CD may have convinced LD that angels showed up and sealed them. To know for certain, one of them will probably have to explain it. And polygamy was probably ok in CD's eyes at the very least.

Oh, and they would only be able to walk in with a temple recommend from their bishop--though they may have had those (to my memory, they last 2 years, unless the bishop/stake president revokes it).

All my own opinion--source is my life as a mormon for the first couple decades of my life.

 

[fuzzybutter]

I hope that this "Dateline" settles the fact that LVD and CD were obviously cheating on their spouses, they were infatuated with each other. They wanted to get rid of their spouses, and take a lot of cash to live on. Divorce doesn't do that. They planned to kill their spouses for insurance money. And kill Tylee and JJ, because they were "zombies" or read, "inconveniences".

This has absolutely nothing to do with any teachings of the LDS religion. CD was as crazy as any other religious nut case. He should hook up with David Mitchell.

Totally agree. I want to add one thing. Not only were Tylee and JJ hindering her new life, she got their SSI checks all to herself once they were dead.

 

[fuzzybutter]

After watching Dateline, I must admit I'm a little skeeved out that they said the 144,000 had started gathering in Rexburg. Yikes. This is my town. How many more whackadoodles are here? Melanie said Lori was good at gathering them. MOO.

I remember when this case really started getting traction in the MSM and there were predictions of hundreds or maybe even thousands of followers in the wilds of Idaho. After following this case for many months I am confident there were no more than 20 people involved. This was cover for Chad to get out of his marriage. As the situation got more complicated he just made up, including dark and light beings complete with a numerical rating system and an increasing number of Zombies. I think it would hard to convert people to this increasingly dark and complex blob of disconnected and frankly unbelievable set of beliefs. There doesn’t seem anything appealing or coherent about what they were offering.

 

[BeckyF]

That smile could be because she interfered with the investigation post-welfare check on the children in November 2019. I think the smile is her joy for the immunity...JMO. She’s culpable. Turned state witness for immunity. She was admittedly Lori’s best friend, new what was going on, was swept away by being in on the secrets as one of the chosen 144,000, police started closing in on her...she had to either go down with them or fess up and turn on them. I have no way to prove it yet but the facts speak for themselves. That’s where the smile comes from...she will make it out of this with no charges but must be a witness for the state against LV and CD.

She is and always be guilty of “stand for nothing and you will fall for anything.” IMO, that’s the inconsistency that pours from her mouth. She’s just covering her own culpability to this sad, preventable story about several innocent dead people. Again, MOO.

And what actual crime did she commit? Not that I am disagreeing with you but what would she need immunity from?

 

[fuzzybutter]

One more thing, I HATE hearing the cookie story. I think because it seems so disrespectful to Tammy and to her children. TD by all accounts was an amazing mom. Amazing mom's do hard things, sacrifice and fight for their kids. Amazing moms fix hurts and play with their kids. Tammy posted very sweet pictures with her grandchild. She was also an amazing grandma. Lori thinks she can be super mom by making cookies and have them fall in love with her in an afternoon. That also speaks poorly of the adult children. Give them a good cookie and they will just switch allegiance and their love to you? If I were them and heard this story, I would be enraged. Especially if they can prove TD's death was caused by LV. I usually try to stay to the facts and so on but hearing MG tell stories about LV got my feathers ruffled.

I may have misheard, but I heard MG say Lori told me she had them over......
After TDs death one Chad’s sons made a comment about his dad meeting a widow in Hawaii and marrying her. He probably would have remembered her if he had been to her house. I think it is another Lori lie.

 

[fuzzybutter]

Where did the cookie story come from? I've seen it said it was after the funeral implying the same day. But Chad's kids also thought he met a widow in Hawaii after he went there in November. Or they could have thought he left for Hawaii when he moved out on 10/24.

I'm convinced he introduced Lori to his parents on the way home from Hawaii in mid November. I suspect the cookies party happened after that.

As Lori tells it the cookie party was right after TDs funeral. I am convinced she fabricated the whole thing to make herself look sympathetic

 

[BeckyF]

Could you provide a link to her book please? I can’t find it. It’s an interesting addition to info for me if she has a book.
For me it’s extremely difficult to come to the defense of someone who listened to people calling children zombies and did not act to save them. And smiles recounting the events leading to their murder.

I would imagine JJ and Tylee probably needed friends when their mother was saying crazy things about them. And planning their murder. MOO
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Go to Amazon and type in Melanie Gibb in the search bar and it comes up.

 

[KonaHonu]

Could you provide a link to her book please? I can’t find it. It’s an interesting addition to info for me if she has a book.
For me it’s extremely difficult to come to the defense of someone who listened to people calling children zombies and did not act to save them. And smiles recounting the events leading to their murder.

I would imagine JJ and Tylee probably needed friends when their mother was saying crazy things about them. And planning their murder. MOO
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I don't think I can link to the book on Amazon except through a personal link within my account. If you search for "Feel the Fire" on Amazon you should find it. A few clicks and you can read the first couple of pages.

 

[KonaHonu]

And what actual crime did she commit? Not that I am disagreeing with you but what would she need immunity from?

I don't see any crimes she committed but she may be close to obstruction of justice. If she were smart she hired a lawyer and got an immunity agreement before cooperating.

 

[KonaHonu]

I remember when this case really started getting traction in the MSM and there were predictions of hundreds or maybe even thousands of followers in the wilds of Idaho. After following this case for many months I am confident there were no more than 20 people involved. This was cover for Chad to get out of his marriage. As the situation got more complicated he just made **** up, including dark and light beings complete with a numerical rating system and an increasing number of Zombies. I think it would hard to convert people to this increasingly dark and complex blob of disconnected and frankly unbelievable set of beliefs. There doesn’t seem anything appealing or coherent about what they were offering.

I now think you are right. At one time I was concerned there was something much bigger going on involving a cult of preppers. I think Chad had a big following in the AVOW/prepper community at one point. But I think most of them are probably mostly sane, respectable people and ran for the hills once people started dying. But even now I would not be surprised to see a few more loyal followers come into the picture as accomplices in one way or another.

 

[fuzzybutter]

I don't see any crimes she committed but she may be close to obstruction of justice. If she were smart she hired a lawyer and got an immunity agreement before cooperating.

As of the last Dateline she didn’t have a lawyer, so it’s too late for that. How do you think she obstructed justice? Once she realized everything C & L told her was a lie and the kids were most likely dead she called the police and has been talking to them every since. Where is the obstruction.

 

[fuzzybutter]

I now think you are right. At one time I was concerned there was something much bigger going on involving a cult of preppers. I think Chad had a big following in the AVOW/prepper community at one point. But I think most of them are probably mostly sane, respectable people and ran for the hills once people started dying. But even now I would not be surprised to see a few more loyal followers come into the picture as accomplices in one way or another.

I agree that he had a much bigger following through AVOW. Wasn’t that mostly blogs, podcasts and websites? I bet most of those people didn’t hear about the zombies etc I agree that it would Have turned them totally off. As the trial get closer we will See if anyone comes out of the woodwork. I think the discovery of the kids really destroyed any connections with AVOW people.