Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #43

[Redvines86]

Dismembered "pre-mortem"? Hell no, that would be before death. I absolutely doubt that, at least I pray it's a typo. I actually don't think it was a dismembered accounting of TR's remains, IMO it may have been due to the evil, vile burning.

I would think they wouldn't have wanted to deal with a lot of blood, so my guess now with Tylee would be poison or chloroform, then suffocation, then the burning and burial. Pre mortem would be very messy and I think would have left too much evidence in their minds. I hope anyway. MOO

 

[Grixote]

It’s folly to expect any of these folks to act rationally, but Chad really should quit paying for Lori’s lawyer. He’s gonna need all the cash he can get.

 

[lonetraveler]

Just jumping off your post....

I don't find CD saying "fun times" as odd because I am very sarcastic and when relaying the bs that happens in my day to day life with my husband or best friends, I will sarcastically say things like fun fun, good times, and even fun times.

I am in no way defending CD but I do think it was just a smart@$$ remark not meaning he found the previous story he told TD to be fun, but more like a sarcastic comment to imply that it was actually a crappy event for him. And I definitely take TDs "good for you" as being annoyed or aggravated with him sarcasm.

I too, took TDs "good for you" comment as being sarcasm. Kinda like here in the South when we tell someone "Well, aren't you special!".

 

[jjenny]

Melanie G. didn't lie to the police. She told them JJ wasn't with her.

 

[Forever Young]

I would think they wouldn't have wanted to deal with a lot of blood, so my guess now with Tylee would be poison or chloroform, then suffocation, then the burning and burial. Pre mortem would be very messy and I think would have left too much evidence in their minds. I hope anyway. MOO

The full interview is behind a pay wall. Can anyone access Crime Stories with Nancy Grace?

"Eaton also claimed that the court documents indicate that Tylee was dismembered premortem.

"We don't know the specifics about that," he added. "But we do know that her remains were also burned and they found bones when they discovered her body."

"I don't think these kids were simply put to sleep and then buried," Nate Eaton of EastIdahoNews.com said on Fox Nation's "Crime Stories with Nancy Grace."
Reporter tells Nancy Grace 'cult mom' Lori Vallow’s children 'were tortured, in a way'
The full interview is behind a pay wall.

 

[tripleC]

Nate said ""It's not like these bodies were simply buried in a decent manner. They were tortured, in a way."

The headline makes it appear the kids were tortured.....not what Nate said at all. They disrespected the bodies.

That's what it says except it replaces "they" with "Lori Vallow's children"

Reporter tells Nancy Grace 'cult mom' Lori Vallow’s children 'were tortured, in a way'
By Yael Halon | Fox News
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[wnk]

I don’t think Lori has been near the burial spots, as far as cell phone tracking go.

We do not have any cell phone tracking for Lori's whereabouts those days at all. I suspect this information was intentionally withheld by LE. MOO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

It’s folly to expect any of these folks to act rationally, but Chad really should quit paying for Lori’s lawyer. He’s gonna need all the cash he can get.

He is paying her attorney? Link please.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Yeah, his death might have been a unfortunate coincidence in the sense that he was up to his eyeballs in all of this. Defense lawyers have to be at least thinking about blaming him for it all.

I have a feeling that will be both LVD and CD's defense. The "Alex did it" defense.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I would think they wouldn't have wanted to deal with a lot of blood, so my guess now with Tylee would be poison or chloroform, then suffocation, then the burning and burial. Pre mortem would be very messy and I think would have left too much evidence in their minds. I hope anyway. MOO

Agree, I think poison/ JMO

 

[Forever Young]

Agree, I think poison/ JMO

The white plastic bag over his head might indicate suffocation. JMO

 

[mickey2942]

'My cousins are beautiful souls.' Melani Pawlowski releases message expressing love for JJ and Tylee | East Idaho News

Who thinks that Melani is going to get away with out any charges? If she is charged, what would it be? Did she know what was happening?

This family is so incredibly dysfunctional. Kids just disappear, and Melani doesn't ask or say anything?

 

[CSIDreamer]

After watching this latest Dateline, I have to say how disappointed I was. There seemed to be more commercials than content. I thought the last two were much better. There were only a couple tidbits of new info.... hearing that LV thought Oprah was the darkest person was really a nothing in the scheme of this.

...but the most disappointing thing to me was that MG showed no emotion when talking about these two children whose remains were just discovered... not even shedding a tear... just too many smiles for me, even if just a nervous reaction. I would much rather see her testifying in court to convict these horrid people rather than seeing her do these interviews to try to sway public opinion of her actions which IMO have fallen flat and maybe used to impeach her testimony in some way if she does testify.

moo

My whole takeaway was "did April change her hair?". Jmo

 

[justbreathe]

BBM for focus



But it does literally mean that. Doesn't it?



Yep, difficulty breathing is a symptom of a number of things, including--notably--pulmonary embolism.



Respectfully, the quoted article and text says pulmonary edema. They are not the same thing.



But toxicology tests were done, and noted in the medical examiner's report. My point is that we don't have anything that points to cyanide. We also don't have anything that entirely rules it out (as far as I know). Those two things are not incompatible right now.



I respect your opinion. I agree it's possible he was still poisoned. I just don't agree that anything we know now points to or especially fits cyanide better than the official cause of death.

BAH! You are correct. I read pulmonary edema as pulmonary embolism. Dang. Back to the drawing board for me!

(Sorry if I sounded snippish! I was thinking it says pulmonary edema right there! But no. Pulmonary EMBOLISM is correct. Thanks for being nice about it!)

 

[jjenny]

I have a feeling that will be both LVD and CD's defense. The "Alex did it" defense.

I am assuming that to be actually true-I am assuming Alex did do it physically. But I think it's going to be a hard sell to claim that Alex did it without Lori telling him to do it, or in Chad case, at the very least helping him after the fact.

 

[MoM3tzger]

Justin Lum @jlumfox10

I’m told by Madison County Jail that it is an error. Inmates’ info being transferred to new software.

This could explain one of my reasons for speculating but I still stand by my previous post that charges are coming like lightening in a storm. JMO

 

[CSIDreamer]

The full interview is behind a pay wall. Can anyone access Crime Stories with Nancy Grace?

"Eaton also claimed that the court documents indicate that Tylee was dismembered premortem.

"We don't know the specifics about that," he added. "But we do know that her remains were also burned and they found bones when they discovered her body."

"I don't think these kids were simply put to sleep and then buried," Nate Eaton of EastIdahoNews.com said on Fox Nation's "Crime Stories with Nancy Grace."
Reporter tells Nancy Grace 'cult mom' Lori Vallow’s children 'were tortured, in a way'
The full interview is behind a pay wall.

Someone needs to get a reaction from Nate on this story. Jmo

 

[Boxer]

I too, took TDs "good for you" comment as being sarcasm. Kinda like here in the South when we tell someone "Well, aren't you special!".

MOO the inference in TDs response to me is that she wearily sees more lying.

"CD you are over explaining again, so what's the lie? As if I have the energy to unravel anymore of your lies."

= Good for you.

 

[fred&edna]

IMO, its about LV was transferred to more of a maximum security building. We'll see!

That was my first thought, also! But, why now... ? Is this SOP (or similar) prior to additional charges being filed?

 

[mickey2942]

I have a feeling that will be both LVD and CD's defense. The "Alex did it" defense.

Even if that is the "defense", the conspiracy charges will not go away. The "Alex did it", works fine for Tylee. Where did Lori think Tylee was? And AC's phone pinged at Chad's house the next day. Chad had to know what was happening.

If "Alex did it", why didn't they contact LEO? Instead, they hang around until he kills JJ too?