Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #44

[Spartygirl]

Yes I've thought this too. I can relate to sticking it out, hoping, praying things are not what you suspect.
Also in a similar way Tammy going to visit her parents before her death reminds me of those times I sought out the comfort and safety of my parents and my family home when troubling things were happening relationship wise. Your parents can feel like the certainty when everything else feels shaky and uncertain.
I feel Tammy suspected or knew about Chad's affair and maybe started having suspicions about more sinister things going on. She was a smart woman and it wouldn't surprise me if she had done some sleuthing of these podcast women that Chad was hanging around with.

Makes me wonder if CV ever did get ahold of TD ?
He mentioned it, so I wonder if he did.

 

[gumchew]

Hi, I have a newbie question about the admin advisory earlier. I'm sure one of you long-timers can splain. Or a mod can delete my post and splain, either way. I get why it's not OK to sleuth folks beyond discussing what's in MSM. But I didn't follow the thing about DW earlier. DW's name is actually spelled out in several MSM articles. As long as I stick to what's in MSM, why is it not OK to actually use his name? Thanks for your patience with this newbie question.

 

[Tricia]

Hey, we are about to go live on Websleuths YouTube. We'll be discussing your theories and posts about the Vallow case and the case of missing Vanessa Guillen. CLICK ON THIS LINK AND JOIN US.

 

[887sMtreme]

In light of new info, I'm pulling this forward from Thread 2, page 68, posted by MAXXER500, Tammy's nephew:

"Tammy exhibited health issues the night of her death, and I'm not aware of anything before then. Tammy woke up in the middle of the night she died, apparently coughing badly enough to cause her to vomit. Then when Chad woke in the morning he found her fallen out of bed and cold.

This is a bit unrelated, but I wanted to put it out there for further context.: Tammy visiting her parents a couple weeks before her death? It was apparently suggested to her by Chad. I forget what exactly he told her, but it was along the lines of "Your dead ancestors are telling me to tell you to visit your parents". If what Julie has said about Chad and her having 'visions' of Tammy dying soon is true, I wonder if Tammy's visit has something more to it on Chad's end."​

Didn't Chad say he looked over at Tammy on the bed and she looked so peaceful he didn't even know she was dead? (Such a creepy thing to say, by the way, but what about him *isn't* creepy?) That reminiscence, of course, is inconsistent with this account.

 

[Jankee]

Thanks Jankee. Glad to see you here and wondering if you have any thoughts about what Alex might have been going through in his last few months. If you don't feel comfy responding - no problem and no pressure.

Sadly, the last communication I had with Alex was mid to late August. I reached out to him, but he did not respond. My heart and mind are numb. The sadness of events have left me beyond heart sick and depressed.

I truly feel that Alex did NOT commit the heinous murders of these beautiful young children - he did so many things to protect them - like tasing Joe Ryan. I believe Lori told him what she knew would put him in protection mode to accomplish her evil deeds. Once the children were dead (crying as I type this), he did what needed to be done to protect his sister. He had so much misplaced love and devotion to Lori who manipulated him to do her evil bidding, May God rest Alex's tortured soul, grant eternal peace to Tylee and JJ, bring healing and comfort to those affected by this tragedy (Kay, Larry, Colby, etc...) It is my prayer that His full vengence be released on Lori and Chad. Suffer the children to come unto Me was never taken so horrendously literally as in this case.

 

[Forever Young]

Makes me wonder if CV ever did get ahold of TD ?
He mentioned it, so I wonder if he did.

It sounded like he was going to do it the same day. I'm not sure if this was around the time that CD told JR that Tammy was off her anti-depressants. Getting an email like that would be enough to put you into depression.

That question way back on whether Tammy had ever met LV....my personal experience, women will always seek out the spouse of someone they are interested in, to see what the competition looks like. I would about bet that LV had crossed paths with TD, just to get a look at her.

 

[Spartygirl]

Hi, I have a newbie question about the admin advisory earlier. I'm sure one of you long-timers can splain. Or a mod can delete my post and splain, either way. I get why it's not OK to sleuth folks beyond discussing what's in MSM. But I didn't follow the thing about DW earlier. DW's name is actually spelled out in several MSM articles. As long as I stick to what's in MSM, why is it not OK to actually use his name? Thanks for your patience with this newbie question.

As much as I would love to discuss him, it is against TOS
He is not a POI, He is Not a suspect and He is not a victim.
JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

Off to WS youtube -- Topic tonight
How Many Lives Has Lori Ruined? Was Vanessa Guillen Sexually Harrased Right Before She Disappeared?

 

[BuySellTrade]

Yes, got this impression when Nate asked her about , and then reiterated, the portal prayer to kill zombies in other states. Her quizzical look and reply “ something like that “-her words conversational somewhat innocuous but her expression showed a hint of defense.

Perhaps MG spent time herself praying for zombie deaths?

 

[RickshawFan]

Here's the two photos side-by-side. I had a hard time finding a high-resolution copy of Photo A, and I arranged the detail below so that the horizon was level on both.

Some observations:

Photo A feels like a simple snapshot of Tylee & JJ, while Photo B has more of an eye for photographic composition (the horizon & subjects roughly follow the Rule of Thirds)

You can tell from the horizon and where the pine trees are in relation to AxC's head in the detail (and the fact that we can't see that path behind AxC & TR in Photo A) that the two photos were not taken from the same position. Photo A was taken somewhere slightly to the left and possibly lower than Photo B.

It's possible that the photographer simply took a step over before taking Photo B, but there may be something to the speculation that Photo B was taken with a different camera (phone?) than Photo A. Photo A seems to have a warmer tone than B (you can particularly notice in in the clouds and in the rocks behind them), and the shadows -- particularly in AxC's shirt -- are darker/"muddier" than in Photo A (lower exposure)

Most people shoot w their phone cameras on automatic settings, but IMO, it doesn't seem like the lighting conditions would have changed enough between Photo A and Photo B to account for those differences.

MOO!

Clever anaylsis!
In Photo A, AxC seems to have caught someone in his eye, or just noticed someone is arriving.

 

[BuySellTrade]

I believe we will learn a great deal more during trial, but, unfortunately, I don't think we will actually learn the full truth about the cult... which includes the actual number of members, nor their full plan. JMO

Bet there are more members and sympathizers than we are aware. Bet there are some at least sympathizers well placed in LDS too. Agree we will never know the full extent.

 

[Jankee]

I’m wondering if you happen to know anything about how often you have to update your CDL license, and or if you have to have a physical to do that?

With the marriage license and certificate I was able to see I think a CDL license was shown with a date and I’m wondering how long it would’ve been valid?

CDLs are renewed every one or two years. Yes a physical is required.

 

[tripleC]

someone on the live tell tricia its beachsky lol

 

[Spartygirl]

Sadly, the last communication I had with Alex was mid to late August. I reached out to him, but he did not respond. My heart and mind are numb. The sadness of events have left me beyond heart sick and depressed.

I truly feel that Alex did NOT commit the heinous murders of these beautiful young children - he did so many things to protect them - like tasing Joe Ryan. I believe Lori told him what she knew would put him in protection mode to accomplish her evil deeds. Once the children were dead (crying as I type this), he did what needed to be done to protect his sister. He had so much misplaced love and devotion to Lori who manipulated him to do her evil bidding, May God rest Alex's tortured soul, grant eternal peace to Tylee and JJ, bring healing and comfort to those affected by this tragedy (Kay, Larry, Colby, etc...) It is my prayer that His full vengence be released on Lori and Chad. Suffer the children to come unto Me was never taken so horrendously literally as in this case.

I AM SO Sorry @Jankee
I realize it is hard for you to read things posted everywhere
It is great to have your view of Alex
{HUGS}

 

[tripleC]

Raises hand

”the only thing more unthinkable than leaving was staying”
What CHarles Vallow did was HUGE. Bless his heart, he knew he was not going to get out or away from LV alive. What an act of love to set it up so Kay could take care of JJ.
IMO Lori had to WIN so she PUNISHED KW for months withholding
access to JJ ...ultimately not only taking the life of KWs brother but also the children lives.
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Photo says it all


MOO

this is who Tricia is talking about on live

 

[vislaw]

Wasn’t the fire in the fire pit? That is why he sent Tammy that stupid limb debris email.

We know the bones and tissue were found in the excavated area. It certainly is possible they were burned in the pit and then buried at the site where they were found. Although we know the fire pit was examined, I know of no evidence or indication that any remains were found therein.

 

[RickshawFan]

It could have been an act. I have personal experience of some one who became all religious quite suddenly, but only at work. This was precipitated by her doing something un-Christian, so it was a cover. Could be the plot to kill Joe Ryan and contemplation of the same for CV made her put on an act of being too good to be involved in such a thing. But MG did say that LV knew the scriptures and she had a religious foundation going back to childhood.

IMO There's a difference between having a religious upbringing and having a daily commitment to it as an adult. A very rigorous early grounding in the Bible would allow you to rattle off chapter and verse. LV doesn't seem remotely reflective or committed to any higher cause. All a charade.

 

[gumchew]

Here's the two photos side-by-side. I had a hard time finding a high-resolution copy of Photo A, and I arranged the detail below so that the horizon was level on both.

Some observations:

Photo A feels like a simple snapshot of Tylee & JJ, while Photo B has more of an eye for photographic composition (the horizon & subjects roughly follow the Rule of Thirds)

You can tell from the horizon and where the pine trees are in relation to AxC's head in the detail (and the fact that we can't see that path behind AxC & TR in Photo A) that the two photos were not taken from the same position. Photo A was taken somewhere slightly to the left and possibly lower than Photo B.

It's possible that the photographer simply took a step over before taking Photo B, but there may be something to the speculation that Photo B was taken with a different camera (phone?) than Photo A. Photo A seems to have a warmer tone than B (you can particularly notice in in the clouds and in the rocks behind them), and the shadows -- particularly in AxC's shirt -- are darker/"muddier" than in Photo A (lower exposure)

Most people shoot w their phone cameras on automatic settings, but IMO, it doesn't seem like the lighting conditions would have changed enough between Photo A and Photo B to account for those differences.

MOO!

Ha, those things jumped out for me as well. When I saw the new photo I thought "ah, sharper focus, nice rule of thirds composition, interesting background detail". Although I just described how the perception of height may be misleading, I can't argue with the things you're saying here. Unless the first Yellowstone photo we saw was a sheer fluke of wrong settings, there is a marked difference in quality that bears thinking about. Maybe the difference between a cheap burner and an iPhone. Although I've also taken a lot of terrible photos in between a few great ones. Anyway, I hereby downgrade my earlier opinion to "I still think it could be Lori", not probably.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Sadly, the last communication I had with Alex was mid to late August. I reached out to him, but he did not respond. My heart and mind are numb. The sadness of events have left me beyond heart sick and depressed.

I truly feel that Alex did NOT commit the heinous murders of these beautiful young children - he did so many things to protect them - like tasing Joe Ryan. I believe Lori told him what she knew would put him in protection mode to accomplish her evil deeds. Once the children were dead (crying as I type this), he did what needed to be done to protect his sister. He had so much misplaced love and devotion to Lori who manipulated him to do her evil bidding, May God rest Alex's tortured soul, grant eternal peace to Tylee and JJ, bring healing and comfort to those affected by this tragedy (Kay, Larry, Colby, etc...) It is my prayer that His full vengence be released on Lori and Chad. Suffer the children to come unto Me was never taken so horrendously literally as in this case.

I'm so sorry Jankee, that you too have been pulled into their evil web. You are very courageous to come here and share, and I pray you also will heal from the damage that has been caused.

 

[gumchew]

Didn't Chad say he looked over at Tammy on the bed and she looked so peaceful he didn't even know she was dead? (Such a creepy thing to say, by the way, but what about him *isn't* creepy?) That reminiscence, of course, is inconsistent with this account.

If any of the other things we've heard alleged about the night of her death are actually true, then looking peaceful seems pretty unlikely.