Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

[kye0001]

Meaning nothing had been filed yet. It would be very hard to believe that Kay didn't threaten to seek custody especially since she is convinced LV and AC murdered her brother! That is a motive to not let JJ speak to her and to hide the kids.

But IMO not enough of a motive to drag this whole thing on and create more interest in the case. She’s got several states LE and the fbi breathing down her neck now, sifting through each suspicious death with a fine tooth comb building a case against her. When you read her statement after CVs death it’s not exactly loving, protective and mama bear instinct towards JJ. If this was just about custody I can’t help but feel she would have handed him over in the hopes they’d leave her alone to enjoy her new life. MOO

 

[Ohmeohmy]

January 31,2020
Eric Grossarth on Twitter


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Court records indicate that on Wednesday the grandparents of Joshua JJ Vallow filed for emergency custody of JJ. http://EastIdahoNews.com also confirmed the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare is investigating into JJ's and Tylee Ryan's safety.

 

[fred&edna]

No news of extradition today so I guess Lori will continue to enjoy sand and surf. And, here we are wondering if her children are enjoying life.

 

[OGDiva]

Just a thought- do you think LE may be wanting to get both CD and LV at the same time? Her for the children and him for Tammy? Maybe they are waiting for the autopsy results to make arrests? I wonder if that way, they get them both at the same time and hit them up with different charges. I'm thinking- divide and conquer. I think they feed off each other when they are together. Separate them and see who talks first.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

January 31,2020
Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

NEW DEVELOPMENTS: The grandparents of JJ Vallow tell me they filed for guardianship this week through the Madison County Magistrate Court. They also confirm the Idaho Dept. of Health is conducting investigation into missing children’s safety and has until 2/10/20. #fox10phoenix

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To clarify — this is petition to file for guardianship of JJ. Family confirms they’ve been notified that if children are located, they will be placed in custody of state agency and then appointed guardian. #fox10phoenix

 

[ReadyorNot]

But IMO not enough of a motive to drag this whole thing on and create more interest in the case. She’s got several states LE and the fbi breathing down her neck now, sifting through each suspicious death with a fine tooth comb building a case against her. When you read her statement after CVs death it’s not exactly loving, protective and mama bear instinct towards JJ. If this was just about custody I can’t help but feel she would have handed him over in the hopes they’d leave her alone to enjoy her new life. MOO

Both of the kid's dads seemed to have been responsible, hard-working, men so I am sure both kids come with survivor benefits.

Another thing I haven't seen mentioned was how are LV and CD funding this extended vacation? And who received the benefit of CV's estate? They were still married at the time, so did LV get it all?

ETA: The idea of her receiving benefit from his estate makes me sick.

 

[kye0001]

Both of the kid's dads seemed to have been responsible, hard-working, men so I am sure both kids come with survivor benefits.

Another thing I haven't seen mentioned was how are LV and CD funding this extended vacation? And who received the benefit of CV's estate? They were still married at the time, so did LV get it all?

It would be interesting to find that out. I’m sure the FBI have got a pretty good idea of finances and income though as they’d need to know if they could afford identity changes, Black flights etc (private flights where they don’t register rightfully whose on the plane as they pay off those who log it). IMO they don’t have as much cash available as they’d have really needed to disappear. MOO

 

[Friday Fan]

I am not implying Kay would seek custody of Tylee. But if you're going to bother to dump one kid, why not both?

Because Kay would have standing as his grandparent and because JJ was only 7 and cannot take care of himself. Kay would have a more difficult time obtaining emergency custody of Tylee. MOO

ETA: The State of Idaho can file for emergency guardianship for Tylee. We don't know if they have or have not. However, the fact the Kay is filing for JJ means that this process is more likely to move along more swiftly than if just left to the state.

 

[MsBetsy]

It's complicated for sure!

What I'm referring to is the period between CV getting shot to death and January 29 when JJ's grandparents filed in court. There's been persistent unfounded rumors there was a custody "battle" going on. LE has even said there was not a custody battle going on. Jmo.

Ok, thanks.
While there may not have been a "legal" custody battle going on at that time, we don't really know what was going on behind the scenes or what was said to one another.
Clearly something was going on because they have now filed legally in court.

Something may have been said to Lori about their intentions or she may have felt threatened that they would try for custody just by their actions.

If she is a narcissist than her children may be like possessions to her. She may see then as extensions of herself.

Even if she doesn't love them or want them she might not want anyone else to have them either.

Imo

 

[ReadyorNot]

Because Kay would have standing as his grandparent and because JJ was only 7 and cannot take care of himself. Kay would have a more difficult time obtaining emergency custody of Tylee. MOO

I don't think you understand what I was replying to... My original comment was that I find it hard to believe that Kay didn't already threaten to seek custody before the kids officially disappeared. The OP asked what motive LV would have to hide Tylee when Kay could not legally seek custody of her. My point was that if she is going to hide JJ, might as well dump Tylee too. That is if they are even alive.

 

[carbuff]

It still doesn’t make sense because she DOESN’T have custody of JJ and hasn’t for the last four months, and the whole world knows it, including the powers that be. So she’ll no longer be entitled to any of JJ’s funds whether that be insurance or social security.

I really don’t think being the subject of a nationwide FBI manhunt is helping her situation at all. It just doesn’t make sense and I simply don’t believe it. I think this “custody battle” story is what they’ve told their inner circle, and I think it’s a lie.

Where the children are residing doesn't necessarily change the status of their legal custody.

For instance, Mr. Carbuff and I sometimes have our grandson for a few days. He's not living with his mother or his father, but mother and father still have joint legal custody. If they were to send grandson to a residential school, he wouldn't be living with either parent but they would still have joint legal custody.

So the fact that JJ and Tylee haven't been living with LV for the last few months doesn't automatically mean there's a custody issue.

The social security rules might have separate requirements. That would be a different issue.

 

[Tigerlily75]

A lot has been shared with LE. They know more than they let on. They have their reasons for not disclosing information. They knew she was in Hawaii. I probably should say MOO

They sure do know a lot we don’t know and indeed, they have Tylee and JJ listed as Missing-Endangered.

They’re certainly not listed as Safely Hidden Because of a Custody Battle.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

January31,2020
Update 9:07 pm
Grandparents of JJ Vallow file for guardianship as state agency investigates children's safety | East Idaho News

 

[Tigerlily75]

Where the children are residing doesn't necessarily change the status of their legal custody.

For instance, Mr. Carbuff and I sometimes have our grandson for a few days. He's not living with his mother or his father, but mother and father still have joint legal custody. If they were to send grandson to a residential school, he wouldn't be living with either parent but they would still have joint legal custody.

So the fact that JJ and Tylee haven't been living with LV for the last few months doesn't automatically mean there's a custody issue.

The social security rules might have separate requirements. That would be a different issue.

Yes but I’m referring to this particular case, where the FBI and other LE agencies are searching for these children, and now they have defied a court order to produce those children. If this was solely about the money, the jig was up sometime ago. They will not continue to receive money (if she even was).

There must be some other reason she is refusing to produce the children against the order of the court. It can’t just be about money at this point, it’s gone too far for that.

 

[Avocado49]

There was a custody battle already in effect even before it became legal. Custody battles don't begin in the courts they begin in the homes. Feel free to constraint your minds. But I'm trying to solve this and looking for input that looks outside the given constraints but within logical probabilities.

are you actually defending/believing Chad and Lori, re: this idea of them hiding the kids and living it up in HI because of a custody battle? talk about constrained mind.

 

[KonaHonu]

I agree.
AFAIK, even insulin-dependent diabetics can experience low blood sugar, it is just rarer than experiencing high blood sugar. So it might not matter. If she naturally went into a low-blood sugar, it's possible he just left her there without seeking medical attention and she died. But that could never be proven at this point. Sometimes even when you do give them sugar, they can be too far gone for that to help at all, though evidence of that could prove that he tried to help but again - impossible now after all these years to determine that. If he was in a different room, it can be hard to hear anything has happened at all.

Insulin basically destroys blood sugar. So if you are insulin dependent it means your body does not produce enough insulin so you have to inject more. You should be testing before every injection to avoid dangerous situations. But yes, you are right that is is possible for someone to overinject and die from insulin. I suppose if she were the insulin dependent type he could have overdosed her an no one could tell because the presence of injection sites would be expected and normal.

 

[carbuff]

Yes but I’m referring to this particular case, where the FBI and other LE agencies are searching for these children, and now they have defied a court order to produce those children. If this was solely about the money, the jig was up sometime ago. They will not continue to receive money (if she even was).

There must be some other reason she is refusing to produce the children against the order of the court. It can’t just be about money at this point, it’s gone too far for that.

That I agree with you about. I'm just saying that, assuming she's hiding the children and they haven't been harmed, the fact they aren't living with her doesn't automatically mean she will lose custody. If it comes out that the kids are well cared for with, say, one of the Arizona relatives, it could all turn out to be a tempest in a teapot.

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

this is heartbreaking. Especially the end when he talks directly to Charles.

I was sobbing, my heart breaks for this kid

 

[KonaHonu]

It makes me wonder if CD and LV are still able to communicate with people and their message is still being spread somehow? Considering KW said at the PC that LV wasn’t very smart online, I’m hoping that the FBI are looking into that. MOO

CD and LV have not even been accused of a crime at this point. I suspect they will be soon. But right now they have the same right to privately communicate with anyone, travel interstate or internationally as the rest of us. We are not aware of all the evidence LE and the prosecutor have right now. But once it tips the scales to the point they can convince a judge a crime has been committed, I'm sure there will be arrest warrants.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

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I agree.
AFAIK, even insulin-dependent diabetics can experience low blood sugar, it is just rarer than experiencing high blood sugar. So it might not matter. If she naturally went into a low-blood sugar, it's possible he just left her there without seeking medical attention and she died. But that could never be proven at this point. Sometimes even when you do give them sugar, they can be too far gone for that to help at all, though evidence of that could prove that he tried to help but again - impossible now after all these years to determine that. If he was in a different room, it can be hard to hear anything has happened at all.

It is not rare for insulin dependent diabetics to become hypoglycemic. I know two insulin-dependent diabetics who have had dangerously low blood sugar. One way this can happen is if your normal dose of insulin is too much because you haven’t eaten enough beforehand. Of course, simply taking too much, more than your prescribed dose of insulin, can also cause hypoglycemia and potentially death. Any idiot can inject insulin, by the way. You don’t inject in a vein.

I’ve had these emergencies with loved ones quite often this year. I carry glucose tablets, but they were very nearly not enough one time.

So, did his sister have insulin? If so, I wonder who gave her last shot.