Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

[Avocado49]

Have you not read that JJ has two living parents other than Lori. druggies criminals whatever they may be they are still two living parents that have an excellent chance in regaining custody of their kid. Follow along.

Kay’s son is JJ’s biological father, so JJ has an open/kinship adoption.
JJ’s biological parents have not expressed any desire to get custody of JJ in the last 7 years. Although, I could imagine they feel pretty awful right now - probably didn’t imagine that uncle Charles would be shot dead and that Lori would go off the deep end - but they signed away their parental rights 7 years ago, and birthparents can’t easily “re-gain custody” of children they relinquish. In fact, almost all states have sealed adoption records and adult adoptees are never allowed to see their actual birth certificate (they get issued a fake one with adoptive parents names on it). Kay and Larry were happy with getting to visit and talk to JJ, they weren’t trying to take him away from Lori, they want to see their (biological) grandson because they love him.

 

[KonaHonu]

I am not implying Kay would seek custody of Tylee. But if you're going to bother to dump one kid, why not both?

Heck, I'd seek custody of Tylee if only to get her away from monster Lori!

 

[cujenn81]

On a curiosity side note, how often does WS have people come in and try and manipulate conversation to favor POIs? I don’t normally get that vibe here, but there’s been some posts on this case that just made me... uncomfortable.

SBM for relevance

In my experience, this is rare but I've seen it happen on a few cases. In one or two of those cases, the perp is believed to have been the person who posted them. The rest have been cases with little to no real evidence (not at all like this case... IMO).

 

[Avocado49]

In Lori's mind though there has still been a custody battle going on with the Vallows. That is what this is about IMO.

But the Vallows are JJ’s family, as well as being an important part of his identity - without them he has no genetic mirroring and his trauma is compounded. Adoptees, even ones who are treated well by adoptive parents, are 4x more likely to die by suicide due to this primal wound.

I can’t see how on earth this could be looked at as good parenting by Lori - she has basically re-homed and abandoned a young adopted child with autism whose father has just died violently, how is that justifiable? You really think JJ needs protection from Kay and Larry?

 

[Coppertop15]

Type 1 diabetics can get low blood sugar. Rather easily, I might add. I would think it would be pretty easy to manipulate my sugars.

 

[MimosaMornings]

It is not rare for insulin dependent diabetics to become hypoglycemic. I know two insulin-dependent diabetics who have had dangerously low blood sugar. One way this can happen is if your normal dose of insulin is too much because you haven’t eaten enough beforehand. Of course, simply taking too much, more than your prescribed dose of insulin, can also cause hypoglycemia and potentially death. Any idiot can inject insulin, by the way. You don’t inject in a vein.

I’ve had these emergencies with loved ones quite often this year. I carry glucose tablets, but they were very nearly not enough one time.

So, did his sister have insulin? If so, I wonder who gave her last shot.

Some meters can store data. Info can be retrieved by the patient/downloaded for doctor/endocrinologist.

 

[ReadyorNot]

Heck, I'd seek custody of Tylee if only to get her away from monster Lori!

I don't know about that. As another person said she is her mother's daughter and if she was willing to bring a bat to use against CV and then lie for her mother... she has been learning a lot. I do hope she is safe though.

 

[MsBetsy]

Kay’s son is JJ’s biological father, so JJ has an open/kinship adoption.
JJ’s biological parents have not expressed any desire to get custody of JJ in the last 7 years. Although, I could imagine they feel pretty awful right now - probably didn’t imagine that uncle Charles would be shot dead and that Lori would go off the deep end - but they signed away their parental rights 7 years ago, and birthparents can’t easily “re-gain custody” of children they relinquish. In fact, almost all states have sealed adoption records and adult adoptees are never allowed to see their actual birth certificate (they get issued a fake one with adoptive parents names on it). Kay and Larry were happy with getting to visit and talk to JJ, they weren’t trying to take him away from Lori, they want to see their (biological) grandson because they love him.

Well, the birth certificate is not exactly fake. It's a legitimate birth certificate with the legal parents names instead of the birth parents.

 

[mickey2942]

No bodies, no crime, no evidence. Lori doesn't have to say a word.
Self-incrimination - Wikipedia

What can she be charged with? Contempt of Court? Social Security fraud? She doesn't have to say anything, it is up to the state to prove any charges.

This is so sick, twisted and diabolical. And I bet, in the end, her attorney alludes that it was all Alex Cox, who is conveniently dead.

 

[Tigerlily75]

From Justin Lum - Fox 10 Phoenix

Edit: Disregard, dbm, Justin Lum made an error and removed the post.

 

[Avocado49]

Lori didn't get a chance to spin her web to Adam.

Now that Adam has been mentioned in MSM can we talk about him here?

 

[ReadyorNot]

From Justin Lum - Fox 10 Phoenix

regarding the lack of SIM card in CV’s phone when Lori handed it over to police

https://www.facebook.com/134640763365616/posts/1506623089500703/?d=n

That link does not work.

 

[KonaHonu]

But the Vallows are JJ’s family, as well as being an important part of his identity - without them he has no genetic mirroring and his trauma is compounded. Adoptees, even ones who are treated well by adoptive parents, are 4x more likely to die by suicide due to this primal wound.

I can’t see how on earth this could be looked at as good parenting by Lori - she has basically re-homed and abandoned a young adopted child with autism whose father has just died violently, how is that justifiable? You really think JJ needs protection from Kay and Larry?

Many cultures/religions make no distinction between genetics and adoption. My understanding is that Mormons consider adoptions to be equivalent to blood relationships. I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. In Hawaiian culture "hanai" (adoptive) relationships were extremely common to enhance community bonds and are legally equivalent to blood relationships. It was/is normal for new parents to give their kid to someone else to be raised. They still happen today and are not always formal or processed in the courts. Simply raising a hanai child is enough to establish rights in Hawaii. Since Kingdom days the Hawaiian courts have recognized tradition (completely undocumented) hanai relationships as legally binding. In court proceedings they rely on testimony.

Native Americans also generally reject genetics as authority on relationships.

My point is, not all cultures would agree that being with non-genetic relatives is traumatic to a child.

 

[Onsdag]

Did we ever find out where exactly JJ was enrolled in school in Chandler at the time of Charles' death? I'd like to get an idea of how long it would have taken for Lori to drive him to school and come back.

 

[Tigerlily75]

That link does not work.

That’s weird, the post seems to have been removed. He posted it about 20 minutes ago with documents attached and now it’s gone.

Edit - it appears Justin Lum has made an error and so removed the post.

 

[indicolite22]

Now that Adam has been mentioned in MSM can we talk about him here?

I don't think we can post any information about him that has not been mentioned by MSM or police.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

I wonder, too, if Alex, after having assaulted Joe and killing Charles (and being the only one present when Stacey died), did something to the children...and then realized somehow that was a bridge too far for him?

I have been having very worrisome thoughts about what may have been done, especially to Tylee, given the combination of what was released today (her statement and CRs video). Some very concerning bits of information that sadly might explain motive. Moo.

 

[tealrose]

I know it appears I posted incorrectly but Gray often covers several different case updates in one live show. When the video is posted later you can just watch beginning where he does review LV's statement and mentions CR's YouTube video. I promise it's covered . I thought he would discuss this case a bit more but I was wrong about that! Sorry... Didn't mean to lead anyone astray!

Ah, ok. I started to watch it and was like, nope! That one is local to me, I formed a pretty strong opinion about it very quickly, and it’s better I just stay away from that one.

 

[Avocado49]

Well, the birth certificate is not exactly fake. It's a legitimate birth certificate with the legal parents names instead of the birth parents.

It’s “amended” which means falsified to make it appear as though the adoptive mother has given live birth. The original birth certificate is then sealed forever. Only 8 states allow adult adoptees access to their original birth certificates- even in the age of DNA testing and reunions via social media. The amended birth certificate is a legitimate document re: a child enrolling in school, getting a social security # and ID, (or receiving death benefits), but it’s not a legitimate record of the birth like all non-adoptees have access to. Of course the issue of adoptees having their identity erased goes much deeper than the false birth certificate.

 

[Randocalrissian]

She has rumored all over this case

JR is a 100% self serving, spotlight grabbing, not in the know being fraud who ultimately had zero credibility. IMHO