Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

[Hippononymous]

Sorry if it’s been asked before: what do we know about Alex’s new wife? She’s alive, isn’t she?

 

[KonaHonu]

I wondered what a guardian ad litem was so here's what I found.

» Idaho Code 16-1614 – Appointment of Guardian Ad Litem, Counsel for Guardian Ad Litem, Counsel for ChildLawServer

• Guardian: A person legally empowered and charged with the duty of taking care of and managing the property of another person who because of age, intellect, or health, is incapable of managing his (her) own affairs.
• Guardian ad litem: means a person appointed by the court pursuant to a guardian ad litem volunteer program to act as special advocate for a child under this chapter. See Idaho Code 30-21-414
• Guardian ad litem program: means the program to recruit, train and coordinate volunteer persons to serve as guardians ad litem for abused, neglected or abandoned children. See Idaho Code 30-21-41

ad litem mean during the trial. It is a person to represent the children's interest during trial.

 

[divineappt]

And why would a parent send her daughter into a potentially life threatening situation to go back in the house for her purse?

Unless she had reason to believe it was not a dangerous situation?

Or was it after she knew he was already dead? If so, why send her in to see that?

Imo

Probably in preparation to talk over the situation before LE arrived.

 

[RHarrison]

You would think with all these LEs involved from different states and the fbi that they were doing so. I can understand why they’re not giving anything away because of the nature of the case. We can only hope that they have covered all bases. MOO

There was an article where LE commented on that. Basically because of the nature of the case involving the children and custody disputes they aren't allowed to comment on many things. I saw it on my news feed and tried linking but poof it disappeared.

 

[Trask]

The other aspect of the shooting is the wounds.

They should be able to say the distance from which he was shot, and if he was within batting distance of the shooter. Were both bullets fired while he was upright, or was there a second one to make sure he didn't survive. There are three lines redacted from Tylee's statement after she says she heard a noise and thought it was someone taking the bat and hitting it really hard against the floor. I wonder if it could be to do with a second noise or other noises she heard, or what Lori said to her, and it's redacted to protect the integrity of a case if it ever goes to court. A hearsay rule which could only affect Lori since Charles and Alex are both dead.

Also I don't think anyone with a bat would think that they were a match for someone with a gun. It's pathetic, imo, for Alex to claim he said drop the bat and Charles did nothing, just stood with his chest square on for Alex to take shots at him. Not trying to duck, turn or protect himself. I bet it was true ambush.

MOO

I'd be really interested in that autopsy report. A medical examiner would be able to tell if Charles died instantly or lingered while everyone was busy NOT calling 911.

 

[Portiz34]

Seems to be many links between AZ, UT, ID & HI in all ways here I'm convinced it's all related- even a member of a group they were associated with is an ex Gilbert or Chandler PO. Now that I think about it more and have read more about abuse claims too, IMO abuse is often hidden and covered up by family, especially the abusers family and in "the church" its almost always hidden or falls on the woman, or child when theres abuse going on and children hide it too. And an article said Tylee wanted to stay in Hawaii and that may be part of it. I've seen this often here too with other parents and children and yes the alienating of children and using them as pawns, def not ok ever! People who said they didn't have contact with the 2 for "months or years" cant be truthful because theres dates of podcasts "conferences" and seminars or "camps" during these times with their names on the flyer or like. Someone in an article also stated that Chad came to Hawaii to "grieve" that's from a Morning News article... Emily Thornton reporter hope im getting these posts right! From what I've read and MOO

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

The more we learn about Lori, the more manipulative and sneaky she comes across. I bet a lot of things went on in that home than most people who knew her were aware. MOO.

 

[jjenny]

I'm not getting how police thought this added up in any way. All 3 statements put Lori in a different place. Nothing really describes Charles as the instigator. He went to the house and Lori stole his phone and ran around the house so he couldnt get it back, then Tylee comes out and threatens him with a bat, He takes the bat, doesn't hit anyone with it, and then Alex assaults him from behind and then eventually shoots him. It seems like just about everyone else in that house was instigating a conflict or violence except Charles. Classic case of 'dead men tell no tales' I suppose.

I totally agree with you here. Lori took his phone so he obviously wouldn't leave without it. Sounds like a total set up, with Alex invited over cause Lori supposedly expected trouble.

 

[jjenny]

I'd be really interested in that autopsy report. A medical examiner would be able to tell if Charles died instantly or lingered while everyone was busy NOT calling 911.

Two shots in the chest-my bet he was dead instantly.

 

[KonaHonu]

What about "felony murder"? People are charged with murder when they didn't do the actual killing if they were involved in a crime that results in a murder. I'm no expert but it seems LV stole CV's truck from the airport. You could argue she stole his phone. If she read his texts that is unauthorized surveillance. She stole money from his business. She may have planned to have AC rough up CV the way AC did with husband 3. MOO, there is a lot of room for LE to charge LV in the death of CV.

The problem is that Arizona is a community property state so everything that was Charles was technically equally hers. So no crime in stealing his phone, car, money, etc.

Reading his texts? Well maybe. But she might have owned the texts because they were on the phone she owned with him.

The businesses were actually part hers as well.

I think she and Alex planned it. No need for felony murder rule. Just gather evidence and charge her with capital murder.

 

[Secretly a Secretary]

Lori’s statements to police, especially regarding J.J.; her texts to Charles’s sons after he was killed; and her son having to make a 2nd plea for her to come forward have made me lose any glimmer of hope I have had that the children were somehow alive. Now I am just angry. How Kay could be so collected in her press conference was amazing!
As more details are leaked I can not imagine the nightmare LE have been dealing with and dissecting. It has been said many times “tip if the iceberg?” But I cannot fathom how in the world she is free right now?! Maybe not evidence yet for this, maybe not enough for that but how about jaywalking? Throw any and every little thing they CAN right now and build all other cases while she is behind bars.
Along with her arrest I hope there are many more!

 

[KonaHonu]

As more details are leaked I can not imagine the nightmare LE have been dealing with and dissecting. It has been said many times “tip if the iceberg?” But I cannot fathom how in the world she is free right now?! Maybe not evidence yet for this, maybe not enough for that but how about jaywalking? Throw any and every little thing they CAN right now and build all other cases while she is behind bars.
Along with her arrest I hope there are many more!

I guess I have a little more faith in the police.

Right now there just is no evidence. There is scant evidence a crime was committed by anyone. The autopsy reports may provide evidence of a crime (murder of Tammy or AC) but will not necessarily link Lori or Chad. Yes, like everyone, I think they are guilty but that's based on things like circumstances and behavior. If I were a juror I would not be able to convict at this point.

If they are arrested for jaywalking (yes, I know you are being funny) it would be for something in Hawaii. It's actually kind of hard to get yourself arrested here! Unless you drive drunk or get caught with drugs or steal something you can pretty much get away with anything.

 

[Trask]

The problem is that Arizona is a community property state so everything that was Charles was technically equally hers. So no crime in stealing his phone, car, money, etc.

Reading his texts? Well maybe. But she might have owned the texts because they were on the phone she owned with him.

The businesses were actually part hers as well.

I think she and Alex planned it. No need for felony murder rule. Just gather evidence and charge her with capital murder.

I don't think this holds true for personal belongings. There's an incident report by Gilbert Police from 1/31/19 where Charles was threatened with being charged with theft for holding onto Lori's purse in order to keep her at JJ's school until LE could pick her up for the involuntary 72 hour hold.

"I informed Charles he could be charged with theft but that Lori only wanted her items back."

It's from Justin Lum Phoenix Fox 10's post on January 15th. I would post the link but am no longer sure if that's allowed and don't want to step on any toes.

 

[LHS]

I totally agree with you here. Lori took his phone so he obviously wouldn't leave without it. Sounds like a total set up, with Alex invited over cause Lori supposedly expected trouble.

I would bet anything that the night before after the kids were in bed there was an interesting conversation lining out exactly how this needed to play out for them to get away with it. MOO

 

[LHS]

I guess I have a little more faith in the police.

Right now there just is no evidence. There is scant evidence a crime was committed by anyone. The autopsy reports may provide evidence of a crime (murder of Tammy or AC) but will not necessarily link Lori or Chad. Yes, like everyone, I think they are guilty but that's based on things like circumstances and behavior. If I were a juror I would not be able to convict at this point.

If they are arrested for jaywalking (yes, I know you are being funny) it would be for something in Hawaii. It's actually kind of hard to get yourself arrested here! Unless you drive drunk or get caught with drugs or steal something you can pretty much get away with anything.

Just remember that the LE have held a lot of things close to the breast on this one and have been super quiet on these kinds of evidence details. They might have a huge amount of evidence and we have no idea because they want Lori and Chad to not have a clue what's about to hit them. then again I might just be hoping that this goes like so many true crime type shows.

 

[renarde]

When were Lori and Chad first together in Hawaii?

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

 

[Colorado303]

One of the Fox 10 news videos says metal bat, I don't see that detail in the police reports. LV says she watched CV hitting her brother in the head with a metal baseball bat, with a phone in her hand, but didn't call the police? Didn't scream for help from neighbors? Charles looks like big guy in decent shape, if he is really swinging a metal bat and is enraged and going nuts (LV's words) how does he not seriously injure anyone? And AC says he went to his room to get his gun, why didn't CV just leave then? Or if he is enraged why not follow him to the room and swing at him again?

Total conjecture...big fight going on, LV gets the kids out of the house, AC or LV shoots CV, then after he is shot they come up with the baseball bat/self defense story (or had that story worked out in advance) and LV whacks AC on the back of the head with the bat enough to leave a bruise? Or she drives off and AC hits himself, maybe too hard and gets woozy and ends up not calling 911 for 30 minutes?

I'm not understanding LV saying she heard shots around 8am and the police respond to the 911 call at 8:43. I don't see what time the 911 call was made.

Yes. This.

 

[Ohmeohmy]

When were Lori and Chad first together in Hawaii?

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

You and I are on same wave length and watch Justin Lum's accounts ..He is all over this story MOO

 

[renarde]

You and I are on same wave length and watch Justin Lum's accounts ..He is all over this story MOO

Justin better have an answer to that question tonight...

 

[Secretly a Secretary]

Just remember that the LE have held a lot of things close to the breast on this one and have been super quiet on these kinds of evidence details. They might have a huge amount of evidence and we have no idea because they want Lori and Chad to not have a clue what's about to hit them. then again I might just be hoping that this goes like so many true crime type shows.

As bits trickle in I agree they are withholding a lot of information as they absolutely should. I do not mean to imply I have little faith in LE.
In the meantime, I cannot imagine they cannot haul her in on something minute. The faster she becomes uncomfortable, the quicker she digs herself deeper. One can only imagine what her blame game will look like and who will get thrown under the bus.