Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

[KonaHonu]

I'm actually now sorry I posted here. I thought I was doing a good thing by sharing because I live on Kauai but now I see that I haven't shared anything that's really helped- anything I've shared anyone else can find and know. I'm sorry if I shared anything that didn't help or wasn't acceptable- I continue to pray for the children and the families involved- I have seen also sex trafficking posts in the same circles and areas and not sure if its just all related but have faith the truth will be revealed. Hope everyone has a good night and gets some good rest/sleep. Aloha from Kauai.

Please don't feel like you should not have posted. Your comments on what was going on locally were valuable as are your insights about the coconut wireless an so forth. Most people do no understand how things work in the islands. I hope you keep posting.

 

[indicolite22]

“They said that they waited all day for... - Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix | Facebook

“They said that they waited all day for God to tell them which house to go to and he told them to come to mine,” said Jeani Martin.

A Hawaii homeowner speaks to me exclusively and provides documentation of Chad Daybell’s rental application from November 7, 2019 — two weeks after his first wife Tammy Daybell is buried in Utah.

The online app lists Lori Daybell as Chad’s wife and explains why he allegedly wanted to move in.

It is mentioned in the video that Lori and Chad barely mentioned the children to the homeowner. If it refers to Lori's children, at least on this occasion they did not deny they existed or claim they were dead.
In the renting application Chad wrote that Lori lived on the island. It seemed to imply that she was a resident.
How realistic is the $30k monthly income that he put on the application?

ETA: Since the encounter with the homeowner was on November 7, could it have happened before they got married?

 

[EnquetreuseMaigret]

I'm actually now sorry I posted here. I thought I was doing a good thing by sharing because I live on Kauai but now I see that I haven't shared anything that's really helped- anything I've shared anyone else can find and know. I'm sorry if I shared anything that didn't help or wasn't acceptable- I continue to pray for the children and the families involved- I have seen also sex trafficking posts in the same circles and areas and not sure if its just all related but have faith the truth will be revealed. Hope everyone has a good night and gets some good rest/sleep. Aloha from Kauai.

 

[Portiz34]

It is mentioned in the video that Lori and Chad barely mentioned the children to the homeowner. If it refers to Lori's children, at least on this occasion they did not deny they existed or claim they were dead.
In the renting application Chad wrote that Lori lived on the island. It seemed to imply that she was a resident.
How realistic is the $30k monthly income that he put on the application?

Oh good! I'm so glad she finally got through!

 

[EnquetreuseMaigret]

I have found your posts very helpful in depicting life for both long-term residents & tourists or snowbirds on the different islands. I knew about only the geology & some history. Having you right there, on the spot, added a lot of depth to the bits of news, & I suspect that others feel the same. I keep thinking about how a novelist could possibly approach such a complex case, & am then called up short, remembering that so very unfortunately, this involves real people. Guess I'm quickly understanding the distinction betweem true crime & what goes down in crime fiction. As stated, am new here.

 

[mrjitty]

I've just put together an estimated timeline for the morning Alex shot and killed Charles, together with some quotes from their statements to law enforcement, and a few of my observations.

The timings for the 911 call and officer's bodycam come from assuming the bodycam is set to UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) which is 7 hours ahead of AZ.


6:30am/7am: Alex wakes up.

Pre-7:40am Charles tells the hotel to expect him and JJ for breakfast. Lawyers: Husband of Lori Vallow made prediction on who will kill him months before he died

7:30am Lori had JJ’s backpack ready for school. She looked at the clock.

7:40am Charles arrives, per Lori. She tells him to go now, and get breakfast for JJ from Burger King (nearest BK I can see is 9 miles/17 mins away, S Alma School Rd, could be near the school which is 15 mins away).

7:50am Tylee wakes up to commotion in her bedroom doorway (of all places in the house) which happened when Charles came back for his phone, so JJ must already be strapped in the car.

7:55am the bat business and Alex pulling Charles back from behind. Tylee is sent out to the car.

7:55 – 8am Charles is shot.

8:00am (5 min later) estimate of when Lori left the house. This gave Lori time to stop and get breakfast for JJ, (she remembered her purse), eat it and take the 30 min round trip to school, and be back by 8:48am.

8:20am JJ’s school gates open.

8:24am Charles comes to pick up JJ – per Alex’s “about 20 mins ago” statement to officer at 8:44am. *Alternatively if he means 20 mins before he shot him this could be 7:40 am.

8:35am Alex shoots Charles – per his “er, couple of minutes” statement on 911 call. He increases this to 5 minutes when he answers questions outside.

8:37am Alex calls 911 (6 min call). This would be 37 mins after an 8:00am shooting. (Quite dead.)

8:43am Officers arrive/Alex comes out of house.

8:48am Lori approaches officer with Tylee, from rental car.


Alex’s responses to officer’s questions:

Q: “When did this happen?” A: “Maybe 5 minutes before I called.”

Q: “What time did he come to pick up the son?” A: “About 20 minutes ago maybe”

Q: “Are you working now?” A: “Er, I’m on vacation this week.”

Q: “Well what do you do for a living?” A: “Oh, I drive a truck”

Q: “How long ago did they leave? Has it been like an hour, 10 minutes?” A: “20 minutes, I don’t know.”

Q: “So not terribly long?” A: “No, no, no.”

Q: “What time did you about wake up this morning?” A: “6:30 or 7”

Q: “Normal day this morning…wake up?” A: “Yeah, vacation, just hanging out, yeah”

Q: “Normal, you, your sister, your niece?” A: “Yeah, gonna go do something fun today”

Q: “You all live in San Tan Valley so why…is it just easier to just hang out here?” A: “Yeah, just, I was just here late last night, stayed the night” (just = minimizing)

Q: “Are you and your sister pretty close?” A: “Yeah, we were planning to go do something today.” (planning - but not saying what, murder most likely)



Lori’s statement: (parts)

Lori said he told her all of a sudden that he was coming Wednesday night and he wanted to see [redacted]. (note 'all of a sudden' precludes planning - misdirection of LE)

Lori indicated her husband hadn’t been here in a couple weeks (since her moving) and he had been “nasty” when he was here. (contradictory)

Lori stated he contacted her and said he was coming Wednesday night and said he was going to pick [redacted] up and take him to school Thursday and then pick him up Thursday and take him Friday. (misdirection of LE - she agreed to a future plan indicating she expected Charles would be alive)

Lori stated his job gives him freedom so he doesn’t have to stay home every day and take care of a special needs child. Lori indicated she does that. (resentment)

Lori indicated her husband had told her that he was coming last night and Lori told him that he couldn’t stay at the house and she would get him a hotel. (he was already in a hotel for past few weeks per link above)

Lori stated that [redacted] does go to school all day and she talked about how she is just getting his services back. (contradicts having to be home all day)

Lori talked about how [redacted] has been a nightmare because her husband ripped [redacted] out of his routine…

Lori described how [redacted] freaks out when he finds out dad is coming because he associates when dad took him to Houston so Lori didn’t tell [redacted] that he was coming. (she didn't tell JJ Charles would be taking him to school, because he would undoubtedly find the reality of Lori taking him hard to accept, but note he was happy to stay outside in Charles' car)

Lori stated he didn’t bother her last night which she was kind of surprised about because she was expecting “kind of an ambush” that he would just come over and be “just mean”. (contradicts what she said earlier - unless they were going to ambush Charles the night before.)

She didn’t hear from him except that he texted her to say he would be there at 7:30 to pick up [redacted]

Lori said he came over in the morning and he was banging on the door. Lori said here we go so she was just trying to be nice and had [redacted] stuff ready for school. I asked what time he got there and Lori stated he had said he would be there at 7:30 but it was more like 7:40 7:35ish but she wasn’t sure. Lori remembers looking at the clock at 7:30 and indicated he is usually very punctual.

Lori said her brother had stayed there last night because Lori was worried her husband would come over and “cause trouble with” her. Lori said she just wanted someone else there, wanted her brother there. (reveals planning - there was no trouble until she took his phone, he was set up)

Lori said she was getting [redacted] stuff ready and he was saying he was leaving in 20 minutes, mentioning it was 15 minutes to the school. Lori mentioned that you can’t get there early because they don’t open the gates until about 8:20 or something. Lori suggested to him that they go now, because she didn’t want him in the house, so they could go to Burger King and get breakfast.

Lori told her husband to go and he agreed so Lori gave him the backpack and they got in the car. Lori stated her husband always leaves something in the house, that he always comes back and he never leaves the first time and she is always expecting her husband to come back in the house. Lori advised he had left his phone on the counter. (how surprising that she has to lead into an explanation of what she did next!)

Lori said his phone was on the counter and then Lori had his phone. He told Lori to give him his phone and she told him “why don’t you show me your text that you’ve been texting.” (note the seamless transition from Charles leaves the phone to and then Lori has it!! Does not tally with her wanting him gone.)

Lori stated he “goes nuts” and then indicated that he’s gone nuts before and that she and [redacted] have had to leave with [redacted] before, over the years five times… Lori said you don’t know what’s going to set him off. (this doesn't tally with deliberately setting him off)

Lori mentioned that they have [redacted] and he is special needs and it’s really hard. (more narrative building about her being saintly, and resentment about JJ)

Lori said he came back in and she wouldn’t give him back his phone and he was screaming at her to give him back his phone. Lori said she was just holding it there and he was screaming at her. Lori said she was kind of walking around the house so he couldn’t get it and he was kind of reaching for it.

Lori said [redacted] came out of her room upset and she had a bat. (omits to say why she kind of walked towards Tylee's room but then camped there long enough to disturb Tylee until Tylee came out)

Lori said her brother Alex heard the commotion and he came out into the main room. (Tylee says he was already involved right outside her room)

Lori said her husband is screaming and is super upset.

Lori doesn’t know if [redacted] swung at him or what but he grabbed the bat from [redacted] and went to hit [redacted] with the bat […] and her brother grabbed him from behind to stop him from hitting [redacted]. (NB> Neither Alex nor Tylee says this is what happened)

Lori said then they [Alex and Charles] get into the thing and he’s hitting her brother with the bat and they’re on the ground like grappling around or whatever. (Tylee says she was sent outside before this)

Lori said she is freaking out and is trying to go around and knows [redacted] is in the car. (but still keeps the phone, so Charles won't be able to call 911)

Lori told [redacted] to go get in the car with [redacted] because she didn’t want [redacted] coming in and she wanted [redacted] out and didn’t want the kids in the house for whatever “this fight was going to be”. (premeditation)

Lori stated […] Charles was coming at her with the bat, yelling at her to give him his phone. Lori stated she still had the phone in her hand.

[NB> she told Tylee to let go of the bat and let Charles have it - because shouting wasn’t going to be cause to shoot a man. Yet she did not relinquish the phone and that was the only reason she has given for Charles following her, and this flies in the face of telling Charles to go because she didn’t want him in the house. She knows he’s not going to leave without his phone, it's not as if he lives there and will be coming back for it. The argument in Tylee’s bedroom doorway seems set up to get Tylee up and out of the house, witness an argument but not witness the murder and because Lori knows Charles won’t be walking back out to JJ. Lori reveals foreknowledge of what was “going to be”. Alex avoids saying why he spent the night there and if they planned to do something fun today he should be able to say what, as plan indicates.]

Tylee's statement (parts):

[redacted] advised that she woke up around 7:50 because she heard yelling right outside her door.

[redacted] said she immediately jumped up and she got the bat and she opened the door and it was her stepdad outside the doorway and her uncle kind of in the doorway and she could hear her mom behind him.

[redacted] said … her uncle kind of moved out of the way and her mom kind of went past him and into the big room where everything happened and she kind of walked with them.

[redacted] said she kind of stuck the baseball bat out there and [Charles] grabbed it and tried to take it but she held onto the end.

She saw [her stepdad] take a step back so she thinks her uncle grabbed him and took him back

(NB. Tylee is not there when Charles and Alex are grappling on the floor/Alex is being hit with the bat.)

[redacted] advised her mum told her to go with [redacted] and then she ran out the door.

[redacted] said she stood there with her little brother. [redacted] indicated he was in the front seat so she opened the door and stood there.

I returned to when she talked about putting the bat out when her step-dad was coming at her mom and asked her to describe what was going on. I asked if there was a reason that she put the bat up. [redacted] stated yes, that he was walking towards her mom and [redacted] did not want him to do anything so she just stuck out the bat.

[redacted] said she’s holding it by the place where you hold it and he kind of took it. [redacted] indicated her mom said ‘just let go’.

Ledge.

 

[mrjitty]

Right now there just is no evidence. There is scant evidence a crime was committed by anyone. The autopsy reports may provide evidence of a crime (murder of Tammy or AC) but will not necessarily link Lori or Chad. Yes, like everyone, I think they are guilty but that's based on things like circumstances and behavior. If I were a juror I would not be able to convict at this point.

RSBM

I don't agree that there is no evidence.

There is a lot of circumstantial evidence right now around the kids.

I can see why the potential murders need more time. And in the case of Lori's husband, the shooter is also dead, so i guess she will skate on that.

 

[tresir2012]

ad litem mean during the trial. It is a person to represent the children's interest during trial.

It is mentioned in the court order. What trial are you meaning?

 

[Colorado303]

RSBM

I don't agree that there is no evidence.

There is a lot of circumstantial evidence right now around the kids.

I can see why the potential murders need more time. And in the case of Lori's husband, the shooter is also dead, so i guess she will skate on that.

A lot of the evidence in CV’s murder is gone. Gunshot residue, blood splatter, security and traffic video, eData. But hopefully the Keystone cops and coroner took pictures. If these pictures are inconsistent w/statements given by the 3 individuals present (one dead, one missing, one uncooperative) combine that w/lori’s inconsistent statements, CV’s documented claims that she threatened his life, dead/missing witnesses, Lori’s demeanor talking to LE & texting family members, I think there are a handful of DAs who might try the case or at least take it to a grand jury.
IMO there’s enough there a jury just might find her guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. And with luck LE has a bit more evidence they can add to the plate, though with this crew I wouldn’t bet on it.

They certainly don’t seem inclined to investigate an iota further than the dismal efforts made that first day, but I’d like to think public pressure will prod them to lift a finger or two.

Normally I’m a staunch supporter of LE and think they get a bum rap. But the “investigation” of CV’s death has been so deplorable I can’t understand it, explain it or support them. The sad truth is two possibly dead children would likely still be alive if Chandler PD had done even a half-assed job .

MOO

 

[tresir2012]

I'm actually now sorry I posted here. I thought I was doing a good thing by sharing because I live on Kauai but now I see that I haven't shared anything that's really helped- anything I've shared anyone else can find and know. I'm sorry if I shared anything that didn't help or wasn't acceptable- I continue to pray for the children and the families involved- I have seen also sex trafficking posts in the same circles and areas and not sure if its just all related but have faith the truth will be revealed. Hope everyone has a good night and gets some good rest/sleep. Aloha from Kauai.

Please keep posting. It is quite normal for posts to get removed until you learn the rules of the site. Even long time members still get things incorrect. We have to have MSM or LE links for any facts we find and post. Items found on SM or other discussion boards cannot be shared unless authorized by a mod. It is what makes WS different. We can post our opinions but must make sure we state it is opinion.

 

[tresir2012]

From the video at the link, JM read Tammy's obit a few days after Chad and Lori visited her and she texted Chad asking about Tammy's death. Chad texted her back:

“Hi J****, yes, Tammy’s passing was such a shock. I woke up that morning and she had clearly been dead for a couple of hours, but she had such a peaceful look on her face. At her burial I felt her tell me she was happy and already busy helping our family on the other side of the veil. I felt she helped me reconnect with Lori so quickly, and it has actually helped my children move forward.”

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- MOO.

Helped him "reconnect" with Lori? Did Tammy know about the affair?

 

[tresir2012]

A lot of the evidence in CV’s murder is gone. Gunshot residue, blood splatter, security and traffic video, eData. But hopefully the Keystone cops and coroner took pictures. If these pictures are inconsistent w/statements given by the 3 individuals present (one dead, one missing, one uncooperative) combine that w/lori’s inconsistent statements, CV’s documented claims that she threatened his life, dead/missing witnesses, Lori’s demeanor talking to LE & texting family members, I think there are a handful of DAs who might try the case or at least take it to a grand jury.
IMO there’s enough there a jury just might find her guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. And with luck LE has a bit more evidence they can add to the plate, though with this crew I wouldn’t bet on it.

They certainly don’t seem inclined to investigate an iota further than the dismal efforts made that first day, but I’d like to think public pressure will prod them to lift a finger or two.

Normally I’m a staunch supporter of LE and think they get a bum rap. But the “investigation” of CV’s death has been so deplorable I can’t understand it, explain it or support them. The sad truth is two possibly dead children would likely still be alive if Chandler PD had done even a half-assed job .

MOO

I completely agree with your post here.

 

[tresir2012]

It is mentioned in the video that Lori and Chad barely mentioned the children to the homeowner. If it refers to Lori's children, at least on this occasion they did not deny they existed or claim they were dead.
In the renting application Chad wrote that Lori lived on the island. It seemed to imply that she was a resident.
How realistic is the $30k monthly income that he put on the application?

ETA: Since the encounter with the homeowner was on November 7, could it have happened before they got married?

It has been stated that they married two weeks after Tammy's death, which was on Oct 19th. That would be 2nd November so by the 7th November I would expect them to be married. We have not found out yet exactly when and where they married, but at the rate these reporters are going, it won't be long before we know that too IMO.

 

[mrjitty]

A lot of the evidence in CV’s murder is gone. Gunshot residue, blood splatter, security and traffic video, eData. But hopefully the Keystone cops and coroner took pictures. If these pictures are inconsistent w/statements given by the 3 individuals present (one dead, one missing, one uncooperative) combine that w/lori’s inconsistent statements, CV’s documented claims that she threatened his life, dead/missing witnesses, Lori’s demeanor talking to LE & texting family members, I think there are a handful of DAs who might try the case or at least take it to a grand jury.
IMO there’s enough there a jury just might find her guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. And with luck LE has a bit more evidence they can add to the plate, though with this crew I wouldn’t bet on it.

They certainly don’t seem inclined to investigate an iota further than the dismal efforts made that first day, but I’d like to think public pressure will prod them to lift a finger or two.

Normally I’m a staunch supporter of LE and think they get a bum rap. But the “investigation” of CV’s death has been so deplorable I can’t understand it, explain it or support them. The sad truth is two possibly dead children would likely still be alive if Chandler PD had done even a half-assed job .

MOO

Yeah the CV shooting is very odd.

Maybe LE just didn't fancy catching a murder and could it straight into the 'solved" outbox

 

[diggndeeperstill]

One thing that’s interesting to me is the lady they applied to rent from said they applied for a “room”. I wonder what changed from applying for a room which would likely be much cheaper than where they ended up? Did money come in?

 

[tresir2012]

So they were in Hawaii for 7th November (grieving as Chad would describe it) and then were back in Rexburg when LE tried to do the welfare check on the 26th then they were gone again by the 27th November.

 

[jjenny]

Helped him "reconnect" with Lori? Did Tammy know about the affair?

I am pretty sure he was claiming Tammy helped him from the other side. As is Tammy's spirit helped him.

 

[jjenny]

So they were in Hawaii for 7th November (grieving as Chad would describe it) and then were back in Rexburg when LE tried to do the welfare check on the 26th then they were gone again by the 27th November.

Grieving your dead wife usually doesn't involve a hot blond as far as I can tell.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

What about "felony murder"? People are charged with murder when they didn't do the actual killing if they were involved in a crime that results in a murder. I'm no expert but it seems LV stole CV's truck from the airport. You could argue she stole his phone. If she read his texts that is unauthorized surveillance. She stole money from his business. She may have planned to have AC rough up CV the way AC did with husband 3. MOO, there is a lot of room for LE to charge LV in the death of CV.

EDIT: If LE ever gets a confession from LV or co-conspirators or finds more evidence.

Felony murder rule - Wikipedia
Felony murder rule (Arizona) - Wikipedia

They could charge her with conspiracy to commit murder. However, they have to prove her and Alex conspired to do this. They obviously need a witness or electronic evidence in order to do this and need to prove it WAS murder. For felony murder, a "murder" has to be committed in the course of a felony. Again, they need to prove murder and that it was committed during a felony.

 

[tresir2012]

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