Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

[kye0001]

See the post I just made. If it survives.

Then add a grain or more of salt.

That’s really interesting, it means at some point he’s been on decent money and will have savings. Even if all of these figures aren’t accurate or recent (I can’t see him pulling in much while in the run at all..probably just book sales which BigAl16 has calculated. Add to this any life insurance policies that may/may not have been paid and they’ve got a reasonable income. It’s still not in the multiple millions that they would need to disappear with a new identity though fortunately. Moo

 

[Queasy Gumshoe]

I think she purposely kept the Ryan last name on one of her IDs, to make it easier to get Joseph’s/Tylee’s money.

YES!!YES!!YES!!!

 

[KonaHonu]

I wasn't speaking in terms of rental agreements, myself. I am just curious as to documentation required to obtain a marriage license? Charles Vallows death certificate? If Lori was using the ID of "Vallow" to apply. Or just divorce records if using the name Ryan?

ETA... Maybe unimportant if they aren't legally married... No proof of it to this point anyway

Here are the Hawaii marriage license rules: Marriage Licenses

All she needed was an ID. Chad would need a death certificate.

 

[CSIDreamer]

My driver's license has my previous address. It is perfectly legal. I changed my address with the state (Arizona) but they do not issue a new license. I also have state ID from Hawaii (discounts) with my Hawaii address. The house I live in has had the address changed by the county SIX times in the last 10 years so I can guarantee you that most of my neighbors have licenses with incorrect addresses.

So, living in Arizona with a Hawaii driver's license is fine? There are other states involved besides Hawaii. Jmo.

 

[KonaHonu]

I wasn't speaking in terms of rental agreements, myself. I am just curious as to documentation required to obtain a marriage license? Charles Vallows death certificate? If Lori was using the ID of "Vallow" to apply. Or just divorce records if using the name Ryan?

ETA... Maybe unimportant if they aren't legally married... No proof of it to this point anyway

Here are the Hawaii marriage license rules: Marriage Licenses

All she needed was an ID. Chad would need a death certificate.

 

[jjenny]

At least in my case it doesn't show an income. What it does show includes a bunch of people I'm associated with and past addresses which are all correct, and partial phone numbers and email addresses which are about half right and half wrong. I suspect they have issues in determining what data goes with which person when there are lots with the same name and often get this wrong or end up combining two people into one set of records.

Bottom line, I wouldn't trust any supposed income numbers on that website.

 

[KonaHonu]

So, living in Arizona with a Hawaii driver's license is fine? There are other states involved besides Hawaii. Jmo.

I think Arizona requires you to get an AZ license if you move there.

I'd be willing to bet $100 that she does not have a Hawaii DL but rather a state ID like me. For almost all reasons it is the same. It just does not authorize you to drive. She would have a former state license (AZ, TX, or ID) for that. It's very common here for people that move here. When asked for my DL I hand them my state ID and no one has ever questioned it.

 

[kye0001]

Bottom line, I wouldn't trust any supposed income numbers on that website.

Even if those numbers are out £100,000 either way it gives us a rough idea what they may/may not have in ready cash.

 

[jjenny]

She could have kept her old Hawaii ID and gotten a new one in Arizona.

 

[jjenny]

Even if those numbers are out £100,000 either way it gives us a rough idea what they may/may not have in ready cash.

I doesn't. Like I said, it list a wrong employee for me and a completely wrong income I supposedly reported.

 

[kye0001]

She could have kept her old Hawaii ID and gotten a new one in Arizona.

I suspect she has a few in various names. Hopefully though when the police conducted the searches they know exactly what she has.

 

[kye0001]

I doesn't. Like I said, it list a wrong employee for me and a completely wrong income I supposedly reported.

Ah sorry I misunderstood.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I think Arizona requires you to get an AZ license if you move there.

I'd be willing to bet $100 that she does not have a Hawaii DL but rather a state ID like me. For almost all reasons it is the same. It just does not authorize you to drive. She would have a former state license (AZ, TX, or ID) for that. It's very common here for people that move here. When asked for my DL I hand them my state ID and no one has ever questioned it.

So it's probably a matter of the resort saying "driver's license" instead of "ID card". Jmo

 

[Trask]

It has gotten to be such a PITA to get/renew a drivers license with all the new REALID requirements of documentation. I would not read too much into the name she went by.

Does Hawaii require a REAL ID when renewing your driver's license? Just curious because my sister's state requires it but I just renewed my driver's license in my state this week and I was allowed to choose between a regular DL and a REAL ID DL. I chose the regular DL because I have a passport. Much quicker.

MOO but I think useful for LE to know she's using a Hawaiian ID with the Ryan name on it. Seems like they didn't know she had it and can now go back and try to track anything she did under that name.

 

[BigAl16]

That’s really interesting, it means at some point he’s been on decent money and will have savings. Even if all of these figures aren’t accurate or recent (I can’t see him pulling in much while in the run at all..probably just book sales which BigAl16 has calculated. Add to this any life insurance policies that may/may not have been paid and they’ve got a reasonable income. It’s still not in the multiple millions that they would need to disappear with a new identity though fortunately. Moo

That income, if accurate, possibly (probably?) includes Tammy's income, whatever money from books and AVOW, and the money he was making from his day job in IF when he had it. I can see that easily being 150K, possibly with very little income from books or AVOW to get there. The possibility of a decent amount of savings is there. (Also the possibility of not much since it's been 10-12 years since he and Tammy pled bankruptcy and not much time to save since although I'm not sure whether there might be some kinds of savings, certain kinds of retirement accounts, for example, that might have been protected in the bankruptcy and possibly available now.)

 

[tresir2012]

Is there any evidence that Chad and Lori are legally married? They did not get married in Vegas when AC and then LVs niece did according to the public county records. I checked Vallow, Ryan, and Cox. Guessing she has more aliases but CD does not. Marriage records in Hawaii are public but you have to get them in person or through snail mail. Surely the reporters have checked there, right? If they were married in Idaho I assume Idaho MSM would have published that by now.

Perhaps they were married in their previous lives?

 

[diggndeeperstill]

I edited my post since I meant to say "guarantee he didn't" and missed the n't. I'm amazed how often I do that.

But I suspect you knew I was saying what I meant. I remember discussion that Chad at one point had an actual office job in Idaho Falls, but had quit it because the money from the writing and publishing had become enough. Maybe at one time he was, but not now. Chad and those who wrote for his publishing company are not bringing in anything close to this, IMO.

I say my opinion because I may be missing something and I have to go based on the information I can get at, but here's a few facts to make my case. Okay, maybe a long screed to make my case.

The book that has been said has been doing very well for Chad, "One Foot in the Grave," about his experience as a cemetery sexton, is currently ranked at about 108,000 in the Kindle store on Amazon. He has 10 books available in the Kindle format. None that I looked at are ranked better than that with all that I checked being somewhere between this one and a rank of 500,000-ish. Kindle books priced at $2.99 with a ranking in the 100,000 - 500,000 range make a profit, if self-published (so not splitting profits between the author and publisher since the author is doing both of these functions, which kind of applies to Chad's books here) is going to be $30-50 a month. Chad's Kindle books actually are priced from a low of $3.49 and 3.99 for "One Foot in the Grave" and "An Errand for Emma" which are currently his highest selling and most recently released books to $7.99 and $9.99 for his others, so they'll make more. But best case would be going 3x the high of that range for all the books, a definite overestimation which gives us a total income from Kindle books on Amazon of $150 x 10 or $1,500 a month.

The vast majority of Chad's books and those published by his publishing company aren't going to be available at the local bookstore (either Barnes & Noble or something locally owned) but no doubt can be ordered by them if you request. Or you can order them on Amazon. I'm not sure what the sales ranks of paper books on Amazon means in terms of volume, but can say that at least on Amazon, Chad's books appear to be doing worse there than in the Kindle format. The finances are also vastly different because of the cost of printing the books, getting them to the physicial bookstore, storage in between those to things, plus returns (stores can in most instances return unsold books to publishers for full credit if they don't sell). With two exceptions that I'll get into in the next paragraph, I would be amazed if Chad could be making as much on his paper books as he is on the Kindle books. But just to err on the side of giving him more credit than he probably deserves I'll take my significantly inflated $1,500 a month income from Kindle books and assume he gets the same for paper books sold via Amazon and other outlets that are outside of the big exception in my next paragraph.

The two exceptions are the Deseret Book chain and the Seagull Book chain, two chains with locations largely in Utah and southern Idaho, maybe a few slightly outside of that, plus an online presence. At least one of them, Deseret Book has ebook purchase options as well as paper from their website. These two stores are aimed at the Mormon market and the possibility exists that Chad and the publishing company sold a ton of books through these chains. I seriously doubt it was $30,000 a month worth between his and whatever portion he got for the books published for other authors under the Spring Creek Publishing banner. The Mormon market is a niche, and a decent sized niche, but I don't get the impression that Chad or any of his authors except maybe JR, when she was with him, were best sellers by any stretch. It doesn't appear (based on looking at her books on Amazon) that JR has any books currently available through Chad's publishing company. (A few I looked at published by other publishers were in the top 10,000 sales ranks at Amazon which while not oodles of money are still the next level from Chad's.) HOWEVER, the big issue here is that apparently Seagull and Deseret have dropped all of Chad's publishing company's books, at least from their websites. I remember reading early on that they had dropped JR's books when she got in trouble, but I just checked both sites for any book by Chad, JR, or HS (another of Chad's bigger name authors) and found nothing. I seriously doubt he was making 10x the money from these small niche chains than from Amazon, but if he was that money has been shut off now.

Obviously lots of MOO here, but at least a few facts and measurements that you can use to come to your own conclusions. I know a lot of authors, some of them who have had books make various high profile "best seller lists" such as the NYT and USA Today lists. Many people assume authors are rich. Some are, but those who are (Stephen King, Grisham, Patterson, etc) are the exceptions, literally the top 1-2% of authors and have made the mainstream bestseller lists consistently for many years and many books. Making decent money the way Chad is approaching it by being his own publisher means it takes selling less books, but not as many less as he's selling.

I am responding before reading on so hopefully I’m not duplicating. But we are assuming that his only income is from publishing.

If he had made more money from his super secret cliquey behind the paywall website forum, that may add some more. If that had been going on awhile and was invested it could have grown. I can’t remember the numbers that were suggested per user. Also, what did he get paid for each speaking engagement?

I agree they were probably inflated, but I also see him as the type to pigeon hole money away. And I also believe he would have included Lori’s income in that number.

I’m really most curious why at first they wanted a room only. Was it desolate? Out of sight? Or why?

 

[KonaHonu]

So it's probably a matter of the resort saying "driver's license" instead of "ID card". Jmo

Yes, that is exactly what I'm suggesting.

 

[divineappt]

Here are the Hawaii marriage license rules: Marriage Licenses

All she needed was an ID. Chad would need a death certificate.

Direct quote from this site. BBM

• If previously married, proof of original divorce decree or death certificate needs to be presented to the marriage agent by the applicant if the divorce or death was final within 30 days of applying for a marriage license.

 

[KonaHonu]

As an aside, it is really amusing to me that it takes a stack of documentation to prove where you live. But if you are homeless you can simply use the nearest post office as your residence address!