Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #12

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  • #121
Hi. Someone asked in the last thread just before it closed if Melani had military training. I posted the following in thread #8. Melani’s maiden (antiquated term) name is Cope.

May or may not be relevant-but it appears Melani may have military training.
Mil - Cope

Thanks for the link. So, she did have firearm training and she would be the obvious suspect in the shooting of BB. Plus, the trespassing shows willingness to engage in criminal behavior. MOO
 
  • #122
Her first unnamed ex-husband must be pretty happy and relieved that he made it out of the marriage alive. He's got to be shocked by all of this mess.

You think!? ;) I wonder what insight he could offer. MOO
 
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  • #124
Ha, I wish! :D
But the only "payment" I want is these kids found and to see Justice served on those responsible for all the deaths in this case.
MOO.
On a industry podcast I listened to just yesterday, there was speculation the true crime genre is about to surge. There might actually be something to that recommendation, lol. Careers in true crime have been launched stranger ways. (Ann Rule.)
 
  • #125
Can someone refresh my memory. When did Lori's son get the call from LE and call her that LE was looking for JJ and Tylee? Where does that call fit in the timeline?

  • Lori first visited Self Storage Plus on Oct. 1 and signed a $53-per-month rental agreement for a 10×10 unit
  • CCTV shows Lori and a man (Possibly her brother Alex) visit the unit nine times in October and once in November.
  • Often the man came alone.
  • CCTV shows Lori only came to the business by herself once, on Oct 1, the day she signed contract.
  • Lori returned Oct 2nd & Oct 3rd with the man.
  • Alex's silver truck is on CCTV at the storage unit multiple times in October.
  • Btwn Oct. 6 & Oct. 26, the man visits the storage unit 5 times.
  • CCTV shows the man dropping off several items, including gun cases
  • On Oct. 28, two men are seen on CCTV moving bikes into the unit
  • On Nov. 24 Lori and a man visit the unit for 4 minutes.
  • On Nov 26 Police went to Lori’s townhouse for a welfare check on JJ.
Lori Daybell abandoned a storage unit in Rexburg full of children's items | East Idaho News
 
  • #126
Can someone refresh my memory. When did Lori's son get the call from LE and call her that LE was looking for JJ and Tylee? Where does that call fit in the timeline?

  • Lori first visited Self Storage Plus on Oct. 1 and signed a $53-per-month rental agreement for a 10×10 unit
  • CCTV shows Lori and a man (Possibly her brother Alex) visit the unit nine times in October and once in November.
  • Often the man came alone.
  • CCTV shows Lori only came to the business by herself once, on Oct 1, the day she signed contract.
  • Lori returned Oct 2nd & Oct 3rd with the man.
  • Alex's silver truck is on CCTV at the storage unit multiple times in October.
  • Btwn Oct. 6 & Oct. 26, the man visits the storage unit 5 times.
  • CCTV shows the man dropping off several items, including gun cases
  • On Oct. 28, two men are seen on CCTV moving bikes into the unit
  • On Nov. 24 Lori and a man visit the unit for 4 minutes.
  • On Nov 26 Police went to Lori’s townhouse for a welfare check on JJ.
Lori Daybell abandoned a storage unit in Rexburg full of children's items | East Idaho News

The 27th of November I think. Also, it wasn't a phone call, they physically showed up. Not knowing which kind of "call" you're referring to. Jmo.
 
  • #127
Yeah, either we are missing something (totally possible) or the news got it wrong about Alex being suspected in the shooting of Brandon. It has long been rumored that Alex did it (and was said on Gray Hughes) but I haven't seen police say that. And the AZ station probably taped their report before seeing the Idaho exclusive showing a man looking like Alex and driving his truck at Lori's Rexburg Storage unit. The only other possibility I can think of is that we have it wrong about which brother moved to Rexburg.

One thing that has always bothered me is that the station that did the Rexburg neighbor interview only says "Lori's brother" in the story and never names him: Missing Idaho children’s mom fled the night before FBI raided home, neighbor says

Lori has another brother besides Alex. We have always assumed it was Alex because of the presence of the truck that Alex claims is his the day Charles was shot. But the truck belonged to Charles originally so anyone who moved with Lori could have driven the truck up to Rexburg. We're not allow to sleuth Adam other than what Lori said in her CPD interview about him-- she made it sound like they were estranged for some reason. But I wonder if Adam is the same height/build as Alex was? Could it be Adam at the storage unit in Rexburg and Alex was back in AZ?

MOO.
Doesn’t Lori have 2 other brothers?
 
  • #128
Ha, I wish! :D
But the only "payment" I want is these kids found and to see Justice served on those responsible for all the deaths in this case.
MOO.
Someday when someone makes a movie... they better come calling on you!
 
  • #129
@Gardener1850 what version of the timeline are you on? I can't remember if we have any solid dates for Chad being in Hawaii right after Tammy's death. I'm wondering if that could have been him in the storage unit or not.

I may have missed that answer last night.

Jmo
 
  • #130
Lori and Chad told unknown people in November that Tylee died a year before her father (Joseph Ryan) did.
Maybe there's been some clarification on this and I missed it.. I've not read that Lori said specifically that Tylee died a year before her biological father Joe Ryan, but simply that Tylee died a year before her father.

I've always thought that there was a chance that Lori was referring to CV, which would change significantly the timeframe/date range that Lori was asserting. That said, I've never felt that the date range mattered, as it seemed to be an untrue attempt to deflect in either case.
 
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  • #131
Brandon was shot at in the morning of Oct 2nd. I don't think the tire video in the storage is from the 2nd, and even if it were, the time difference is not enough to travel from Arizona to Rexburg. Alex (and the Jeep) could not have been seen on camera in both places that day.
Precisely my point. The Jeep isn't seen on camera in both places. If the Jeep in CCTV in AZ has no rear tire, and shot comes from the rear window to BB's Tesla, it's very likely they: Removed the seat and tire from the Jeep and put it into the storage unit at some point before Oct 2. Drove the Jeep to AZ. Oct 2, shot at BB and began driving back to Idaho. Oct 2 still, loaded the seat and tire from the storage unit into the Nissan Rogue to prepare to install back into the Jeep as soon as it returns to Idaho. At some point later, installed the seat and tire.
 
  • #132
Maybe there's been some clarification on this and I missed it.. I've not read that Lori said specifically that Tylee died a year before her biological father Joe Ryan, but simply that Lori died a year before her father.

I've always thought that there was a chance that Lori was referring to CV, which would change significantly the timeframe/date range that Lori was asserting. That said, I've never felt that the date range mattered, as it seemed to be an untrue attempt to deflect in either case.
Based on other things Lori has said, i have thought that she was referring to some sort of Spiritual Death here. It is common in some religious traditions to state that someone has died and been reborn. Galatians 2:20 specifically, "I have been crucified with Christ, and i no longer live, but Christ lives in me." So, its perfectly reasonable to assume she is speaking spirit lingo. Perhaps still as a deflection; nevertheless, it makes the statement less confusing (if that's the case) and less damning. I wonder when her father and Tylee were "saved" or "christened" or whatever (i'm not sure what mormons believe here or, better stated, the AVOWists). If Tylee committed his life to the church a year before her father then that is what she is speaking about imo. moo
 
  • #133
Precisely my point. The Jeep isn't seen on camera in both places. If the Jeep in CCTV in AZ has no rear tire, and shot comes from the rear window to BB's Tesla, it's very likely they: Removed the seat and tire from the Jeep and put it into the storage unit at some point before Oct 2. Drove the Jeep to AZ. Oct 2, shot at BB and began driving back to Idaho. Oct 2 still, loaded the seat and tire from the storage unit into the Nissan Rogue to prepare to install back into the Jeep as soon as it returns to Idaho. At some point later, installed the seat and tire.
BBM. According to the East Idaho News video, the storage was rented on October 1st when Lori came there alone (at around 14:30pm) to sign the documents. IMO it's not likely that any (heavy) items were put in the storage that first day. The attack on Brandon happened the next morning a 14-hour drive away.
 
  • #134
@Gardener1850 what version of the timeline are you on? I can't remember if we have any solid dates for Chad being in Hawaii right after Tammy's death. I'm wondering if that could have been him in the storage unit or not.

I may have missed that answer last night.

Jmo

Sorry, it should say Update 5 in the beginning of this thread but it's still the old one (Update 4) for the first 3 parts so that may be confusing people as that makes it look like I left out tons of new info we learned last thread. @KayElJay is working on getting it fixed for us. :)

In the meantime, here is a snippet of the timeline as I have it currently in my notes, starting with Tammy's funeral:

22 Oct 2019 – Funeral services are held in Utah and Tammy Daybell is buried in Springville, Utah (Tammy's Obit).

22 Oct 2019 – BB and Melani’s divorce is finalized; BB requested full custody of their 4 children on the grounds that he believes Melani was behind the attempt on his life in early October; He also requested Melani not see the children without supervision; Melani did not show up for court to challenge custody of the children; (Court records; Arizona Republic).

23 Oct 2019 - A 2nd memorial service for Tammy Daybell is held in Rexburg, Idaho (Tammy's Obit). Tamara Douglas Daybell

24 Oct 2019 – Chad moves out of the Salem, ID house he shared with Tammy and two of his adult kids. He told his kids he wanted to sell the house and the book publishing business he and Tammy had built since 2004, but they convinced him not to. He later says he has plans to go to Hawaii to edit a book. (WS Verified Insider posts).

25 Oct 2019 - 11:14 a.m. – Tylee’s AZ friend receives a reply to her Oct 19 text saying, “hi. miss you guys too ...luv ya.” The friend didn’t think it sounded like Tylee. “She spelled out her words for the most part,” the friend said. “Plus, she would have texted more if I reached out.” (Post Register).

26 Oct 2019 (Approx) – Tammy was training for a 5k run that was held a few days after her death (Daily Mail).

28 Oct 2019
– 2 Men are seen on CCTV at Lori’s Rexburg Storage Unit moving bikes into the unit (East Idaho News).

Late Oct 2019 – Tylee’s brother CR notices that Tylee’s texts to him had become less frequent and changed. The texts did not sound like Tylee and were not written the way she normally would reply (CR interview w/Justin Lum, Fox10 Phoenix).

Abt 2 Nov 2019 – Only a couple weeks after Tammy’s death, Chad Daybell is married to Lori Vallow (Rexburg PD Dec 20, 2019 Press Release). Rexburg Police Department

Nov 2019 – Chad informed family members he had remarried. Chad told Tammy’s family members that he would never visit them in Utah. Chad told family he was in Hawaii and told his parents they were free to visit him. No one knew Chad planned to remarry and family members were in disbelief that he would remarry 2 weeks after Tammy's death (WS Verified Insider).

Nov 2019 - Chad is released from his calling as Executive Secretary to the Bishop in his LDS church ward. The Bishop announced from the pulpit that if anyone needed to schedule a meeting, to do so with another brother of the ward (WS Verified Insider).

Approx Nov 2019 - After Lori & Chad married, Lori told family members that Tylee died in 2017, a year before Tylee’s dad JR died in 2018, and Chad told family members that Lori had no minor children. Both statements are untrue. Rexburg PD released this info in Dec 30, 2019 press release (Rexburg Journal).

7 Nov 2019 – Newlyweds Lori and Chad show up at a house with a room for rent on the island of Kauai. “They said that they waited all day for God to tell them which house to go to and he told them to come to mine,” said the homeowner JM. JM says “they were like 2 teenagers that had just been set free. They were just giddy.”
Chad fills out a rental application stating his monthly income is $30,000 as author and owner of Spring Creek Book Company. He gives a move in date of Nov 9th and lists “Lori Daybell, my wife” as his emergency contact. (Fox10 Phoenix).

12 Nov 2019 – A few days after Chad’s Nov 7th rental application the homeowner JM reads Tammy Daybell’s obituary and feels like something was wrong with how happy Lori and Chad were acting when they visited her house to view the room for rent. JM sent a text to Chad asking about Tammy’s death. Chad texted back: “Hi J****, yes, Tammy’s passing was such a shock. I woke up that morning and she had clearly been dead for a couple of hours, but she had such a peaceful look on her face. At her burial I felt her tell me she was happy and already busy helping our family on the other side of the veil. I felt she helped me reconnect with Lori so quickly, and it has actually helped my children move forward.”
JM sent a reply text: “Oh wow. Did the Coroner say what was the cause? So you and Lori knew each other already?”
Chad changed his mind about renting from JM (Fox10 Phoenix).

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I think the earliest Chad may have been in Hawaii and married to Lori is Nov 2nd as that would be exactly 2 weeks after Tammy's death and he told family he was in HI at the same time he told them he was married. But the earliest we have confirmed Chad and Lori in Hawaii is Nov 7th with the landlady interview. Chad moved out right after Tammy's funeral and may have said he was going to Hawaii but in my opinion it's possible he went to live with Lori in Rexburg for a week before actually going to Hawaii. All that to say we are still nailing down these dates. I hope some reporters can get us more details to firm up the timeline a bit more.
MOO.
 
  • #135
Doesn’t Lori have 2 other brothers?

If she does, I'm unaware of that. There may be some confusion on social media because Adam uses a different first name for his career (and that's all I'm saying as I don't want to get in trouble for sleuthing family members).
 
  • #136
Someday when someone makes a movie... they better come calling on you!

Oh, I hope not. I'm camera shy, LOL. They can just give Websleuths all the credit. :D
Seriously, I don't want any publicity for me. I only want JJ and Tylee found!
 
  • #137
Totally MOO, and not even really an opinion at this point but a musing:
--"They" we're driving the Jeep (per BB)
--He was asked/chose not to disclose who was in the Jeep.

Is it possible Tylee was driving? The police are not naming the suspect because she is a minor? Perhaps the brainwashing runs deep with her--she's had so much upheaval in her life, Lori seems to be the only constant, and would therefore carry that much more influence. it would also give Tylee reason to be (and stay) in hiding.

I also feel like if they were dead you'd junk or burn their stuff (at least most of it), not put it in storage.

JMO
 
  • #138
Here's something else I thought of. The townhomes at 565 Pioneer Rd in Rexburg are two-story with a garage in the rear and front door opposite side. We've all said there is no way Chad couldn't have missed seeing the toys on the front porch. With this footage of all the kids' things in the storage unit. I'm not sure. The townhome Lori was in, #175, faces an inner yard and sidewalk and the front of another building. What if these people are storing personal items in the storage unit (early October) that belong to the children because the children have already been moved (September 24-October 1). There's a chance that CD moves in late October or early November and only enters through the garage. We know how sparse the home was in AZ from the bodycam footage. How likely is it that there's nothing to show children lived there? How likely is it that he never goes out the front door? The townhome is in the middle of the building. To get to the garage would be easiest through the unit rather than out the front door and around all the way north or south. Why use the front? If he never used the front, he wouldn't see the toys? If he did see the toys, it's easily explainable that they're from MB's children. The lies are really easy to keep him out of the loop of their existence for a few days before Nov 7 in Hawaii. Then, island paradise for a few weeks, back to Rexburg. If that's not CD in the storage unit, then he's easily unaware of the children. If the Nov 24 is him and Lori, still easy to say it's not Lori's children, or that they're deceased: "no minor children". I'm not saying this has to be true, but it's all very plausible IMO.
 
  • #139
Maybe there's been some clarification on this and I missed it.. I've not read that Lori said specifically that Tylee died a year before her biological father Joe Ryan, but simply that Lori died a year before her father.

I've always thought that there was a chance that Lori was referring to CV, which would change significantly the timeframe/date range that Lori was asserting. That said, I've never felt that the date range mattered, as it seemed to be an untrue attempt to deflect in either case.

Yeah, possible she meant CV. But either way, we know it was a lie. Tylee is on video talking to police outside the Chandler house on the day Charles Vallow died. And her brother Colby saw her in her Jeep the day before the move to Rexburg.

MOO.
 
  • #140
Some of us have pondered why Chad is involved in this mess. How he went from (what appeared to be) a long, stable marriage with Tammy to all of this craziness with Lori.

I think one draw for Chad is that he gets to live out a little bit of the drama that the characters in his books did. While he might not be grabbing bombs and throwing them into the snow as one of his characters did, he IS involved in a big news story. I bet a part of him is enjoying living this “exciting” life, something he wrote about for years and wanted so badly to actually taste. He’s probably keeping a journal that he plans to turn into a book.
He will get a movie made, just not the one he thought.
 
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