Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #12

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*Snipped by me
By the way this is the first msm article I have seen that claims Alex moved back into the Valley in early Oct. and was suspected in the shooting. Yet apparently on Oct 2nd he was visiting a locker in Idaho. So that makes me even more confused.

Yeah, either we are missing something (totally possible) or the news got it wrong about Alex being suspected in the shooting of Brandon. It has long been rumored that Alex did it (and was said on Gray Hughes) but I haven't seen police say that. And the AZ station probably taped their report before seeing the Idaho exclusive showing a man looking like Alex and driving his truck at Lori's Rexburg Storage unit. The only other possibility I can think of is that we have it wrong about which brother moved to Rexburg.

One thing that has always bothered me is that the station that did the Rexburg neighbor interview only says "Lori's brother" in the story and never names him: Missing Idaho children’s mom fled the night before FBI raided home, neighbor says

Lori has another brother besides Alex. We have always assumed it was Alex because of the presence of the truck that Alex claims is his the day Charles was shot. But the truck belonged to Charles originally so anyone who moved with Lori could have driven the truck up to Rexburg. We're not allow to sleuth Adam other than what Lori said in her CPD interview about him-- she made it sound like they were estranged for some reason. But I wonder if Adam is the same height/build as Alex was? Could it be Adam at the storage unit in Rexburg and Alex was back in AZ?

MOO.
 
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In my experience that is a common view in places like Utah, Idaho, and Arizona!

Among some segments of the population, I suppose so.
 
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He mentions”lab”, is that typical for his news stories? Not familiar with the station or his work, prior to this news story. Maybe other locals can comment. I will say that this well-credentialed reporter has a goldmine, so to speak, regarding information to be found in his region due to the many references to the named and unnamed family and associates in Phoenix and associated suburbs.

OR....perhaps "the lab" is just his personal reference to the workroom where he creates his news stories.
 
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Yeah, either we are missing something (totally possible) or the news got it wrong about Alex being suspected in the shooting of Brandon. It has long been rumored that Alex did it (and was said on Gray Hughes) but I haven't seen police say that. And the AZ station probably taped their report before seeing the Idaho exclusive showing a man looking like Alex and driving his truck at Lori's Rexburg Storage unit. The only other possibility I can think of is that we have it wrong about which brother moved to Rexburg.

One thing that has always bothered me is that the station that did the Rexburg neighbor interview only says "Lori's brother" in the story and never names him: Missing Idaho children’s mom fled the night before FBI raided home, neighbor says

Lori has another brother besides Alex. We have always assumed it was Alex because of the presence of the truck that Alex claims is his the day Charles was shot. But the truck belonged to Charles originally so anyone who moved with Lori could have driven the truck up to Rexburg. We're not allow to sleuth Adam other than what Lori said in her CPD interview about him-- she made it sound like they were estranged for some reason. But I wonder if Adam is the same height/build as Alex was? Could it be Adam at the storage unit in Rexburg and Alex was back in AZ?

MOO.

That azfamily story bothers me. Everything we have heard is there was a "pool party" the day CV was killed. Azfamily says it was "days later". They spell Melani's name "Melanie". I'm just not impressed. Jmo.
 
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I think that was sarcasm but I was just thinking that this doomsday scenario/end of days predictons/fantasy/fiction is obviously lucrative. For the total eclipse in 2017 I read that the Rexburgh area attracted 500,000 visitors.

Oh lol. MLMs are big here, I wasn't sure. Jmo
 
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I missed Chad being involved in an MLM. I didn't realize that. Jmo.
I think his visionary end of the world crappy books are meant to hook a vulnerable niche population of people and the organization that he was a speaker for gave him agency to promote his stupid version of essential oils. Lori is a perfect example of how well it worked. AVOW, another example. Just a variation on the MLM concept.
 
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Yeah, either we are missing something (totally possible) or the news got it wrong about Alex being suspected in the shooting of Brandon. It has long been rumored that Alex did it (and was said on Gray Hughes) but I haven't seen police say that. And the AZ station probably taped their report before seeing the Idaho exclusive showing a man looking like Alex and driving his truck at Lori's Rexburg Storage unit. The only other possibility I can think of is that we have it wrong about which brother moved to Rexburg.

One thing that has always bothered me is that the station that did the Rexburg neighbor interview only says "Lori's brother" in the story and never names him: Missing Idaho children’s mom fled the night before FBI raided home, neighbor says

Lori has another brother besides Alex. We have always assumed it was Alex because of the presence of the truck that Alex claims is his the day Charles was shot. But the truck belonged to Charles originally so anyone who moved with Lori could have driven the truck up to Rexburg. We're not allow to sleuth Adam other than what Lori said in her CPD interview about him-- she made it sound like they were estranged for some reason. But I wonder if Adam is the same height/build as Alex was? Could it be Adam at the storage unit in Rexburg and Alex was back in AZ?

MOO.
Or it could mean two hitmen in the family. But certainly Alex cannot be in two places at once. Perhaps it was Lori in CV's jeep down in Az. She was only at the storage location on Ist Oct and 24th November.
 
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I think that was sarcasm but I was just thinking that this doomsday scenario/end of days predictons/fantasy/fiction is obviously lucrative. For the total eclipse in 2017 I read that the Rexburgh area attracted 500,000 visitors.

ETA here's a link about the Rexburg eclipse visitors.

Solar Eclipse 2017 in Idaho: Totality From Rexburg | Space
It did! I was looking for some kind of evidence of Chad and Lori having been together around this time. All I could find was a comment on another forum that Chad was with Tammy at a “camp out” near Morgan UT that Lori also attended and this was days before the eclipse. No further details were provided that I could confirm, so it is hearsay.
 
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Yeah, either we are missing something (totally possible) or the news got it wrong about Alex being suspected in the shooting of Brandon. It has long been rumored that Alex did it (and was said on Gray Hughes) but I haven't seen police say that. And the AZ station probably taped their report before seeing the Idaho exclusive showing a man looking like Alex and driving his truck at Lori's Rexburg Storage unit. The only other possibility I can think of is that we have it wrong about which brother moved to Rexburg.
BBM. No, that didn't happen. From what I've observed, Lori's other brother is the opposite of Lori and Alex. Charles confiding in him was allegedly one of the reasons why Lori got mad and took Charles' phone on July 11 which started the chain of events.
 
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If you want to hear how competitive the news business has become in connection with this case, go to the latest Gray Hughes' video and start listening at 1:34:10.

To recap: There will be no more interviews for Gray with certain people, because the big players apparently have exclusive rights. I'm guessing that something similar has probably happened before in other cases.
 
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That’s interesting!
Hi. Someone asked in the last thread just before it closed if Melani had military training. I posted the following in thread #8. Melani’s maiden (antiquated term) name is Cope.

May or may not be relevant-but it appears Melani may have military training.
Mil - Cope
 
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RE: Storage Unit
Oh crap. My optimism, what little there was of it, just took a nosedive.

RE: Unaccompanied minor & flying
Pretty sure this is irrelevant, anyway, but with Tylee being over 15, she's old enough to supervise JJ during a flight, and when half-sibling relatives of mine that are 15 and 8 flew cross-country last summer, it was very simple and they did not need a bunch of paperwork. Not that I believe the kids flew anywhere.

RE: Info from Nate's interview with the radio station
He states that Tylee was VERY ACTIVE on social media. I think he's probably talked to enough people to get a good sense of that. Given her age, she's much more likely to be on Snapchat and other of the newer, more private services. (And to have multiple accounts that we haven't found.)
Also. The bit about JJ calling Kay multiple times a day, even if just for a few seconds, got to me. :(

RE: Chad & books & publishing
I'm sorry, @BigAl16, but I believe you're seriously underestimating Chad's income - or at least what it was prior to these last few weeks/months. I haven't been watching the Amazon rankings perfectly, or completely, but the titles I have been watching have been consistently trending lower and lower in the rankings. And Amazon rankings can change quickly.

As of about a week ago, just on his Kindle titles that are available for purchase, I believe he was making, as a very low end guess, around $1000 a month on purchased Kindle books. It's not even possible to really make a stab at how much he was making with page reads on the series he has in Kindle Unlimited (KU).

For some example numbers. When I checked about a week ago, the majority of his series fiction titles were hovering in the 100,000-150,000 rank, with the lowest running no worse than 250,000. At the time, I did some figuring with book sales calculator, and it appeared he was averaging somewhere between 15-20 sales per month per book. There were just 10 books I was keeping track of. The price range for all but one of those was either $7.99 or $9.99. Either of those prices qualify for the 70% royalty rate.

If you figure 10 titles x 15 books/month x $7.99 x 70% = $838.95

And that's just sales of ebooks. No KU. No print books. Nobody else's titles. No audiobooks. And nothing at all published wide (not on Amazon), if there is any.

Audiobooks, along with podcasts, have made a HUGE jump in sales/listens this last couple of years. One of Daybell's sons is listed as the narrator of his audiobooks, so it's likely that the audiobooks were created at very little or no cost. Could potentially be making a decent chunk on them - some authors were reporting that up to a third of their income was coming from Audible in by the end of 2019.

Given the style of the covers, I doubt they paid anyone to design them. Probably done in-house. There seems to be no current advertising campaigns, so no money outlay for that.

There's not really any way whatsoever for me to make a decent stab at income from print or KU or wide. (If there is any. I haven't checked, and that would be way more time-consuming that I have patience for, when it's about someone else's books.)

Ditto on tracking or guessing at potential income from the rest of the titles published. Despite Spring Creek Book Company's website being down, and Archive.org & Google not having decent caches, I did find partial title lists, on OpenLibrary and Book Depository.

In summary... even today, some of his titles are jumping back up into the 100k rank range when I look, even though others are crashing to say, 800-900k. It's entirely possible he and Spring Creek were making a pretty decent chunk of change up until recently. (I noticed that the author people have been calling his "most famous" has a statement on her website calling him a "former publisher", with the publishing relationship ending in early 2019.)

Was it 30k a month? No idea, but there *are* quite a few authors out there making six figures with just ebook sales. Granted, a great many of those are in the romance and fantasy genres, but it's entirely possible he was doing quite well, since the niches he write in are a lot less crowded.

As always, this is MOO, and you're all free to disagree, because of course, without income or tax statements, we're all just guessing anyway. I just happen to believe that Chad might well have had access to more money than assumed, especially if the Daybell family tended toward saving rather than spending.

Wow, thanks for the analysis of the book sales. If that's true, and I have no reason to doubt you are right, then I need to stop posting on Websleuths and use my free time to start writing e-books instead. LOL. From the few samples of Chad's books that I have read, I found his writing to be mediocre at best. But I suppose with his niche genre (LDS End-Times Fiction) many fans of that type of book would buy all of his books. I've noticed that there are even a few new reviews of his books from 2020, probably from people who saw this story in the news and bought his books. I'm not giving him a penny, but some people will just out of curiosity or a previous interest in that genre. MOO.
 
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It's Tylee's father, Joe, that died (in 2018.) Lori's dad is alive, as far as it is known.

Husband #1 may or may not be missing. It's just that the public doesn't know where he is (and it's highly unlikely he's involved, he's been out of the picture 25+ years.)
Her first unnamed ex-husband must be pretty happy and relieved that he made it out of the marriage alive. He's got to be shocked by all of this mess.
 
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This is one heck of a mid-life crisis.
That’s for sure! He could have just gotten a red Porsche or a new ginormous truck for Pete’s sake. Instead crawls into the widows web...
 
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Wow, thanks for the analysis of the book sales. If that's true, and I have no reason to doubt you are right, then I need to stop posting on Websleuths and use my free time to start writing e-books instead. LOL. From the few samples of Chad's books that I have read, I found his writing to be mediocre at best. But I suppose with his niche genre (LDS End-Times Fiction) many fans of that type of book would buy all of his books. I've noticed that there are even a few new reviews of his books from 2020, probably from people who saw this story in the news and bought his books. I'm not giving him a penny, but some people will just out of curiosity or a previous interest in that genre. MOO.

Sell your timelines. ;)
 
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In the end the motive will boil down to Lori's love of Hawaii.

BBM. Replace the word Hawaii with "money" and I agree.
I think it's all about the money for her.
Hawaii is also a place she loves and she thinks can stay there permanently if she has the money.
Apparently she hasn't heard that "the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil".

MOO.
 
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Sell your timelines. ;)

Ha, I wish! :D
But the only "payment" I want is these kids found and to see Justice served on those responsible for all the deaths in this case.
MOO.
 
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