Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #12

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  • #761
I am not sure this was posted so sorry if it is a double...CPS was involved Arizona. JJ had lots of red flags going back to the first of 2019 MOO
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Per school officials at Lauren’s Institute for Education, staff did make report to CPS regarding JJ around 2/21/19 because Lori Vallow had still not been located. Now we can confirm she was in Kauai w/ daughter Tylee Ryan for about a month. #fox10phoenix
 
  • #762
I just found out that Idaho, Arizona, and Texas are what is referred to as a "Community Property State" as it pertains to life insurance. From my cursory understanding, spouses MUST be named beneficiary to life insurance. If you want to name someone other than the spouse, you must get them (the spouse) to grant permission in writing. So, even though CV may have named the Woodcocks beneficiary, the law would not honor without Lori's approval or.... a divorce.

Does anyone know more about Life Insurance on this forum. MOO

What if the insurance policy was out of Lousianna? That's where Charles is originally from, where JJ was born and where CV's sister lives now. Also, I really think that CV would have structured his estate more like a Trust account for JJ and his other sons to make sure his children got the money and not Lori. CV can designate his sister as executor of his will and she would be in charge of paying his final bills and distributing the funds. I have a relative that died from cancer and did something similar while he was undergoing chemo. My relative made his sister the executor of his estate. My relative and his wife were happily married, but he wanted to make sure his children were taken care of first because his wife could eventually remarry after he passed and she had her own income. Sounded callous to me when I first heard he did this (I was a kid, lol) but in retrospect it makes sense to make sure the kids are taken care of first. The money was to be held in Trust until the kids reached majority (age 18) but money could also be taken out by the executor for anything the kids needed before then. That may have been CV's plan for JJ as well. But CV would want to designate his sister over Lori because Lori could drain the Trust and not use the money for JJ as intended. However, I'm not sure how Life Insurance works with a Trust set up and if the Life Insurance money can be designated to pay into a Trust fund rather than to an individual? Would that be a possibility? Either way I believe Charles would know how to be smart about his estate based on his career field and I think he could find the loophole to leave Lori out. MOO.
 
  • #763
IMO She needed to get rid of the dog because it was likely trackable by chip. In regard to Chad, he was not a fan of animals, but Tammy was. They had rabbits and ducks in Utah, and continued with them in Idaho.
Get rid of those pesky responsibilities, pets, kids, heck even clingy spouses, we are going to Hawaii for a "Money Burning Ceremony"!
 
  • #764
I’d be curious to know if the life insurance has actually been paid out for CV yet. I’m bringing over my post about the felony exclusion. I stated then that I felt if it was shown that he attacked with the bat first that he may not receive benefits.

Would love a reporter to find this out.

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #7

I would too. Another thing: If a death is under investigation, often the life insurance is not paid out until the case is closed. To the best of my knowledge, Charles' autopsy is not yet available.

If Charles' case is still pending, I wonder if the insurance has paid? Kay doesn't indicate whether she has actually received the proceeds, she had only stated that she is the named beneficiary.
 
  • #765
Ah ha! Very good! Got link? I hope it fell that way... Seems like it would have, I can't imagine that Kay would have given up a fight over it very easily.
It's in the last paragraph (Robertson the PI hired by Brandon Boudreaux):

Robertson also told KTVB Charles Vallow had a $1 million life insurance policy. Originally, Lori Vallow was the beneficiary but later Robertson said Charles Vallow's sister, Kay Woodcock, was. As far as he's aware, that is still being resolved.

New details come to light about family members of missing Rexburg kids
 
  • #766
It's been a week since Lori failed to comply with the court order. That is no surprise but no follow up by LE does surprise me. I was expecting a response from LE but I have no idea what LE is able to do in a situation like this. Has there been a contempt of court citation issued ?
 
  • #767
If Charles' case is still pending, I wonder if the insurance has paid? Kay doesn't indicate whether she has actually received the proceeds, she had only stated that she is the named beneficiary.
Kay avoided answering the question on Charles' life insurance policy in a recent interview, but Brandon Boudreaux's PI revealed today that she was the beneficiary.
 
  • #768
It's in the last paragraph (Robertson the PI hired by Brandon Boudreaux):

Robertson also told KTVB Charles Vallow had a $1 million life insurance policy. Originally, Lori Vallow was the beneficiary but later Robertson said Charles Vallow's sister, Kay Woodcock, was. As far as he's aware, that is still being resolved.

New details come to light about family members of missing Rexburg kids

And NOW I feel like we are getting to the heart of it. Way back when, a fellow WSer wrote that this case likely boiled down to the common theme of money. I think we are seeing the pieces come together.
 
  • #769
It's been a week since Lori failed to comply with the court order. That is no surprise but no follow up by LE does surprise me. I was expecting a response from LE but I have no idea what LE is able to do in a situation like this. Has there been a contempt of court citation issued ?

We don't know because much of this is sealed. (Family law, involving minors) Kay filed a guardian case on Friday (gosh I'm at loss for words!!, someone more versed will come along with the legal terms etc!!) and in that case Idaho CPS have 10 days to produce JJ
 
  • #770
And NOW I feel like we are getting to the heart of it. Way back when, a fellow WSer wrote that this case likely boiled down to the common theme of money. I think we are seeing the pieces come together.
Now we need some details on Tammy Daybell's life insurance policy.
 
  • #771
It's been a week since Lori failed to comply with the court order. That is no surprise but no follow up by LE does surprise me. I was expecting a response from LE but I have no idea what LE is able to do in a situation like this. Has there been a contempt of court citation issued ?

We don't know if there was a contempt of court ruling made because the case is sealed. Also, the Dept of Health and Welfare has until Feb 10th to investigate and report back on the health of the children. That's 4 more days if the court is waiting to rule on the contempt charges. But, again, we likely won't know if contempt was declared by the judge already or if it will be after Feb 10th because the case is sealed... We might only hear if there is an arrest for something else or additional charges. I can even picture a scenario where an arrest is made for contempt, extradition takes place and we, the public, are not told until after it all happens because of the sealed case. Many federal cases also get sealed and we can't even find out where the suspects are being held. This one is sealed because it involves minors. Madison County Prosecutor said they can't release any more info. The judge and prosecutor in this case made an exception to even let the public know about the existence of the child protection order-- in the event that someone else had the kids and could bring them safely to Rexburg PD. MOO.
 
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What's crazy, is that in one of the latest reports on Lum's FB, where they interview the Chandler PD... they PD said they were completely unaware of any financials, any life insurance issue... What? WHAT? I would think an actual detective would go there first. We did, weeks ago!

Justin's reveal that PD was looking in to a 1st degree murder charge when they were telling the public 'self defense, nothing to see here' indicates that they might be playing the same game with the insurance money issue. They could very well have known about it all along, and are just playing dumb like they were when asked about charges for Charles' murder.
 
  • #774
I've been keeping an eye on Maricopa Probate Court. There's a new case on the docket as of 2/5/2020 for Alexander Cox.

Docket: Probate Court Case History

Wow!!! Good find!! Nothing under the surname Vallow, but that does not mean life insurance was not paid. It just means it didn't go to court.

Never mind: My parents died with wills and I thought we avoided probate court, but I found both of them there!!
 
  • #775
Did she know she wasn't the beneficiary? That might have been a nasty surprise. Jmo
Could have been the reason for Plan B and Tammy's life insurance? Did it come out in the GH interview when it was that she found out?
 
  • #776
I've been keeping an eye on Maricopa Probate Court. There's a new case on the docket as of 2/5/2020 for Alexander Cox.

Docket: Probate Court Case History

CSH means civil case. Dont know what APE is. Looks like people fighting over dead Alex's assets. Is it the Cox's, Zulema, or the Woodcocks in a wrongful death suit?
 
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In the storage surveillance video, Lori and Alex are seen taking a heavy object (plus a tire) out of the storage unit (presumably) on October 3, with Lori's car visible outside. If the object could be a part of Lori's car, what could she be transporting? Wouldn't it be much easier to use Alex's truck?
 
  • #779
I would think something else, she said she got a promotion. What would a hairdresser even get promoted to?

Manager of the salon, either the one you are working at or, if a chain, one that chain owns. Possibly even a regional manager if the chain is large enough. But to get a promotion you'd have to have a job first. Maybe she was working at the time this was coming down, but if so, it hasn't come up and the impression I've gotten is that she wasn't.
 
  • #780
JMO.

It appears there may have been a grand conspiracy planned and begun by a (hopefully) small group within AVOW to prepare for the end times. A conspiracy that involved raising significant sums of money - enough to last a lifetime living in the Rocky Mountains after the shtf.

The end times were fast approaching (July 2020), so the group needed to act fast. The idea was to kill off their existing spouses in order to collect life insurance proceeds which would then be used to fund their future lives in the certain-to-be grim and desolate future world. Doing so before any planned divorces were filed or finalized - and before any wills could be changed - would be of paramount importance.

I think the conspirators were (at minimum) Chad, Lori, AC, and MB. It's less likely that IP and ZP were/are in the know, but they could be (especially IP). IP and ZP may have simply been convenient rubes who were chosen by MB and AC respectively for future companionship or sex in the post end-times survivalist future (starting late July 2020). I say "especially" when referring to IP, as his general description fits that of AC, and he could have been in Gilbert on 10/2, which would mean he was in with the original group. Also because it could have been IP in the storage videos. The more often he was/is seen, the more suspicious I am that he knew - that he wasn't just MB's "selection". Not sure yet about ZP yet.

It must've been a big downer for Lori when she realized that she had been too late: CV had already changed his policy. Hopefully he changed his will as well. Same for MB. She failed to kill BB before the divorce went through. Hopefully she is no longer listed as the beneficiary on any of BB's policies, and has been written out of his will.

The life of any spouse or relative of the core 4 would have been in jeopardy from the start of the conspiracy. The spouses (excl AC, as he was not married at the time the conspiracy started): CV, TD, and BB, were all targeted. These individuals suspected nothing (at least nothing on the scale which I'm proposing). They were not true believers (and even if they had been, it might not have protected them - the most deluded would have still murdered the least deluded).

AC may have had a change in heart resulting in him either being murdered by the other 3 or committing suicide. He also had been unable to raise funds of his own..

If true, this theory may not tell us where the children are, but it could mean that other lives are at risk, and right now. Were (are) there other conspirators? JR? HS? (Again, IP? ZP?). Others who were close to CD, Lori, and MB?

The lives of relatives of any known or unknown conspirator could still be in jeopardy until all conspirators are identified and stopped - especially relatives who have significant assets or those who own large life insurance policies which list a conspirator as the beneficiary.

This might include Lori's parents, CD's parents (if they're still alive), IP's parents, ZP's parents, and possibly the parents, spouses, and other relatives of other conspirators (I mentioned a possible few). Hopefully it's not a big group. I think federal LE will need to identify and stop all conspirators to prevent anyone else from getting hurt. This all sounds like a movie script, but I think it's perhaps all too real. Again, Jmo

ETA: It's about religion, and power, and money, and sex. The ultimate delusional fantasy
 
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