Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #13

[detectivehomemom]

April 15 can’t come soon enough. Do they declare the kids on their taxes? ‍

 

[Busymom4]

DBM double post

 

[Busymom4]

Fremont County Coroner

Coroner for Fremont County link.

 

[kye0001]

Stripping a young autistic child of everything familiar is the opposite of holistic approach.

It's sad, but there is no other way around it...

JJ lost his dad, home, ALL relationships (mom isn't with him to parent anyway) all belongings?!

That would be a huge tailspin for an autistic child.

I mean expect the biggest fit you can imagine a child that age could throw. It can make him catatonic! It's that serious.

Especially the service dog which should have been with him all day even at school.
The point of the dog is the calming effect they have on autistic children.

Just feeding him would be hard for someone unfamiliar. He probably can't handle foods touching each other or other things that are strange to us.

Nothing good about him not being with those belongings. Nothing. MOO

It’s possible though that she was listening to someone who describes them self as an expert within the groups she frequented. I’ve had some really crazy suggestions on how to cure my sons asd..from people that really believe they know all there is about the condition.

It’s amazing how many people believe they know it all and have no understanding of autism. One of which was a worker with the councils mental health team. Her advice actually was dangerous and catastrophic for my son. That was the occurrence where I stopped listening to others and listened to my gut. That helped him more than anything.

Not saying that’s what’s happened here, but it’s a possibility. I do agree though that it’s the opposite of holistic and completely the wrong approach. Poor JJ would have been in complete meltdown taking him away from everything familiar. MOO

 

[Busymom4]

Stripping a young autistic child of everything familiar is the opposite of holistic approach.

It's sad, but there is no other way around it...

JJ lost his dad, home, ALL relationships (mom isn't with him to parent anyway) all belongings?!

That would be a huge tailspin for an autistic child.

I mean expect the biggest fit you can imagine a child that age could throw. It can make him catatonic! It's that serious.

Especially the service dog which should have been with him all day even at school.
The point of the dog is the calming effect they have on autistic children.

Just feeding him would be hard for someone unfamiliar. He probably can't handle foods touching each other or other things that are strange to us.

Nothing good about him not being with those belongings. Nothing. MOO

Yes and seriously what parent doesn't want to set their special needs child up for success? You know what happens when proper supports aren't in place!! It's mind boggling but I think it shows her lack of maternal love towards Jj that she would strip him of all his stabilizing supports! When you love someone you don't do that!

 

[Axie]

What, if anything, do we know about people who tell lies when they don’t need to, and vary the lie each time it’s told? It seems odd to me. I can understand not wanting to say your husband was shot by your brother to make things sound better (or yourself look better). But what would motivate someone to say heart attack to one person, waiting for ME to another and suicide to a third? Especially when the truth is bound to come out?

Is it similar to why kleptomaniacs steal things they don’t want or need? A sign they don’t remember the lies they told? Symptoms of a break from reality? Personal amusement? What???

Narcissistic personality disorder
With a dash of psychotic breaks from reality?

NPD is worse than sociopathy.
All the evil of a sociopath with better social skills. Better able to manipulate the people around her.

Compartmentalized the different areas of her life and kept them separate from the other. Like not letting foods touch on the plate.

They lie like they believe every word. MOO

 

[Countem]

April 15 can’t come soon enough. Do they declare the kids on their taxes? ‍

Ah, good old tax evasion. Maybe, at the very least, they will eventually be able to “Al Capone” them that way.

 

[kye0001]

Yes and seriously what parent doesn't want to set their special needs child up for success? You know what happens when proper supports aren't in place!! It's mind boggling but I think it shows her lack of maternal love towards Jj that she would strip him of all his stabilizing supports! When you love someone you don't do that!

I’m interested in what the mindset of those around them is with regards to asd. Do they believe it’s just another label for bad behaviour (been told that more times in my life than I can count). Do they believe harder discipline will ‘cure’ it (again heard it too many times)? Herbal medicine? I really wonder what she’s been told about it as I’ve spent the last 20 years hearing it and that’s actually been harder than coping with the condition (which is a breeze in comparison). JMO

 

[Owutatangledweb]

There is no evidence to suggest Chad and Lori believed in polygamy. Chad was married to one woman for 30 years. Lori was married four times prior to marrying Chad, but she divorced (or the husband died) prior to a new marriage. It would be legal for Tylee to get married in Idaho at 17. There would be absolutely no need to hide her.

In her mind there is a need to hide BOTH of them because the end of the world is coming. All I’m suggesting is that the children may be with someone that they selected as Tylee’s Husband who has the same belief system. I think spouses were preselected for Melanie and Alex as well.

 

[Axie]

Yes and seriously what parent doesn't want to set their special needs child up for success? You know what happens when proper supports aren't in place!! It's mind boggling but I think it shows her lack of maternal love towards Jj that she would strip him of all his stabilizing supports! When you love someone you don't do that!

Which is why everyone fears for his safety!

If alive and under the conditions described (nothing familiar left) someone would have required medical attention by now.

Plus he was on medication and it was left behind too.

Once I heard that...I knew..MOO of course but it's happened just like this in other cases before and will again.

 

[Busymom4]

EDIT broken link

It's very interesting to see how each of the police forces/state professionals have gone about their duties in the different jurisdictions. This is an interesting pdf on coroners inquests and the Idaho state laws governing. In the first page we can see that this wasn't followed in the case of TD's death
Section 19-4301 – Idaho State Legislature

 

[Axie]

In her mind there is a need to hide BOTH of them because the end of the world is coming. All I’m suggesting is that the children may be with someone that they selected as Tylee’s Husband who has the same belief system. I think spouses were preselected for Melanie and Alex as well.

Or in her mind the end of the world is coming...

They are spared by death. In her mind she is protecting them by killing them.

She just has to hold out for the summer of this year. That's what she's said...

And when they are caught she will lie again.

Lying has worked well for her. What else is there?

That's if you believe that Lori is a religious person who really believes her bs. I personally think it's a money scam and nothing more.
Moo

 

[CSIDreamer]

Hey, can we attempt to gather together a list of the connected vehicles and where those vehicles were/are/ended up? I think it was sort of started, but never really compiled. I'm really curious if all the relevant vehicles are accounted for...

I agree. I managed to miss 2 Jeeps. Or forgot. Jmo.

ETA I knew about the Wrangler.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Waves! Im new but been lurking off on for years!

My very own opinion is at some point Lori will blame her brother for the missing kids.

And the lawyers will claim that he was supposed to take them to someone else and didn't...now he's dead, possibly suicide...MOO of course but I expect AC is the fall guy.

So many new posters. Welcome!

 

[IronOrchid]

Aloha and good morning everyone

 

[tresir2012]

It was said to have been cleaned up because the cop decided to clean up a large pool of blood that formed under Charles' body before Alex returned. It's in a police report.
Cops don't normally clean up bloody crime scenes but this one did. Chandler police should be asked why this happened. Why is the cop cleaning up blood that formed under the victim's body? What was he using to clean up this blood? Cops don't carry with them protective gear to clean up blood since it's not their job.

IIRC there is a large bit of redacted text before that so perhaps that gave the reason. We don't actually know who this person is do we? Whether it is the initial investigating officer or a SOCO or other cop is not known is it?

 

[IronOrchid]

Or in her mind the end of the world is coming...

They are spared by death. In her mind she is protecting them by killing them.

She just has to hold out for the summer of this year. That's what she's said...

And when they are caught she will lie again.

Lying has worked well for her. What else is there?

That's if you believe that Lori is a religious person who really believes her bs. I personally think it's a money scam and nothing more.
Moo

I mean, that could be true, but why not just assume the kids would get raptured?

 

[tresir2012]

Stripping a young autistic child of everything familiar is the opposite of holistic approach.

It's sad, but there is no other way around it...

JJ lost his dad, home, ALL relationships (mom isn't with him to parent anyway) all belongings?!

That would be a huge tailspin for an autistic child.

I mean expect the biggest fit you can imagine a child that age could throw. It can make him catatonic! It's that serious.

Especially the service dog which should have been with him all day even at school.
The point of the dog is the calming effect they have on autistic children.

Just feeding him would be hard for someone unfamiliar. He probably can't handle foods touching each other or other things that are strange to us.

Nothing good about him not being with those belongings. Nothing. MOO

I believe JJ was in the car and maybe the dog was with him and went to the school all day with him. That is the likely explanation to me. He had no knowledge that Charles was dead because Lori didn't tell him and he thought he was travelling, which is what he told his school apparently. The dog had to be there at some point or there would be no dog to go back to the breeders in August otherwise. Charles came back to get his phone and Lori had it and would not give it to him, which is what started the argument.

 

[Axie]

It’s possible though that she was listening to someone who describes them self as an expert within the groups she frequented. I’ve had some really crazy suggestions on how to cure my sons asd..from people that really believe they know all there is about the condition.

It’s amazing how many people believe they know it all and have no understanding of autism. One of which was a worker with the councils mental health team. Her advice actually was dangerous and catastrophic for my son. That was the occurrence where I stopped listening to others and listened to my gut. That helped him more than anything.

Not saying that’s what’s happened here, but it’s a possibility. I do agree though that it’s the opposite of holistic and completely the wrong approach. Poor JJ would have been in complete meltdown taking him away from everything familiar. MOO

Of course it's possible she was following bad advice on ASD; but I don't know how it could go on this long without something giving.

He was moved around a lot. Stability isn't something he knew much of in his short life.

I too have heard well meaning but completely ignorant of ASD advice before and seen it in a former friends child (who's mother is also a habitual liar and compartmentalized every part of her life to not have her lies cross.)

With the former friends child I was the one who suggested that her daughter fell on the spectrum after they were staying with me for a year off and on.

Her condition was milder than jjs sounds. But born prematurely by several weeks, she had fits when things were changed or an idea came to her mind and nothing else than giving her exactly what was asked for could soothe her.

Tests by the docs said she fell on the spectrum. But her own mother often thought it was just bratty behavior while I noticed it was very fixed thinking and I was able to talk her down when her mother had no patience for any of it.

Thankfully she lives full-time with Dad and high functioning in school; with struggles on reading still aged 15.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

I tried this before but I'll try again;
LV drives a Nissan Rogue, dark blue? maybe black? (seen on video at storage facility)
AC drives a Ford pick-up, silver/gray. (seen on video at storage facility and described on bodycam video July 11)
TR drives a green Jeep Cherokee (per VI)

I have also read there maybe a silver Jeep Wrangler in the mix but don't know where that information came from.

There is an Infiniti seen on camera at the home in Chandler on July 11.

Any other vehicles?
Does anyone have info on the silver Jeep Wrangler?