Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #13

[CSIDreamer]

The idea of the chosen 144,000 isn’t something specific to Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses. The Rapture is something many Christians believe in and interpret in a number of ways. For example, Catholic and Orthodox churches think these apocalyptic ideas are referring to the early Christian Church, and have nothing to do with the future. As other faiths developed, they came up with their own ideologies about the book of Revelation in the Bible. Some Evangelical Christians believe in the Rapture and think 144,000 people will be saved. You may have heard of the Left Behind series of books. Those stories are written by a Christian author who truly believes in the Rapture. At the end of the day, it’s all speculation and interpretation. Some churches believe in the Rapture, others don’t, but I don’t think that’s relevant in this case. Lori and Chad are doing their own thing in terms of constructing a belief system.

This in a nutshell. My Christian faith believes it's a sealed by God 144,000 who will preach during the Tribulation.

But 2 problems.

1. It's probably safer to look it up so we don't get derailed with a theology discussion because most major "religions" have their own interpretation of the scriptures. Specifically this one.

2. I'm not Mormon but I'm starting to feel bad for Mormons in general with this Chad and Lori malarkey. They may have been Mormons once upon a time, but I don't think they are now. Any Mormons I know are nothing like them. Jmo.

 

[IronOrchid]

If someone shot at me at my own house, with anything I didn't immediately know was a squirt gun, a Nerf or a popper toy, I would be so out of there. Maybe people in their neighborhood pull pranks that involve shooting at people, but I just don't think I'd have a sense of humor about that at all.

This story has people dropping dead, trespassing, going missing, getting shot at, divorcing and remarrying like people are disposable, killing people, abandoning their kids and in the end -- the people suspected at being at the center of it all are at a resort in Hawaii. If this is all one big unfortunate coincidental misunderstanding, I need to get some lottery numbers from them.

I know, right? It's like they were all LARPing a Bold and the Beautiful storyline and the cops and everyone else was like, " Oh this is all in character, better not mess up the performances."

 

[holsen]

Not intentionally but the link I provided earlier I believe is relevant .

Is the link still posted somewhere or could you send it to me?

 

[Axie]

You never know.

What about they are hidden for a reason that only makes sense to Lori and Chad or AVOWers? ie reason unknown.

Still crazy! Still irrational.

As many have said here she has only made a case against herself and her parenting.

There is no excuse to lie to police at this stage. Either they are alive and can be proven to be or not.

Nothing about it is rational behavior of a caring mother.

Her eldest is crying out to her even.

It doesn't bode well for a child without health problems let alone ASD 7yr old!

ETA

The State or Fed can file child abandonment against her soon too.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

EDIT broken link

It's very interesting to see how each of the police forces/state professionals have gone about their duties in the different jurisdictions. This is an interesting pdf on coroners inquests and the Idaho state laws governing. In the first page we can see that this wasn't followed in the case of TD's death
Section 19-4301 – Idaho State Legislature

I came at the same information from the CDC which is more user friendly with descriptions, IMO.

Idaho - Coroner/ME Laws | CDC

I have a family member certified and trained as a Medicolegal Death Investigator. One of the first things they are taught when they go for that training is if you want to get away with murder, do it in a state where coroners are elected. In Idaho the coroner is elected. Requirements are US Citizen, at least 21 years old, resides in the county where they are elected, and will go to training in the future. That is it. No prior medical training required.

I don't see anything wrong with what the coroner did here. There are 3 situations that require investigation.
Stillborn baby, No.
Apparent violence/suicide/homicide. No, not apparent.
Suspicious or unknown circumstances. TD died at home in bed, that is known. Suspicious? In hindsight, sure.

The coroner's duty for a death not attended by or certified by a physician is only to report it to the Sheriff, which was clearly done here. Had TD died in a state with a Medical Examiner's office instead of a coroner system the autopsy would have been required by law.

 

[Axie]

A case for child abandonment against LV can be made soon.

My guess is investigators are waiting for any contact with the kids from the time they did welfare check to today.

They can prove to a court she hasn't seen the kids and hasn't been in contact with them.

3-6mos is the timeframe for abandonment depending upon the State.

It's not always a felony; but it often is.

Child Abandonment - FindLaw

 

[ThinkoutLoud]

Who in the world knows. But I am pretty sure that MB didn't move to Idaho to go to school before Lori did. Basically, it would appear Lori would tell different things to different people. She was reportedly telling people she was moving because she herself got a job. To her neighbor in Rexburg she reportedly said she moved there to attend school. And never mind all the stories she told about how Charles died.
To her own son Colby she reportedly told Charles died of a heart attack (per Colby himself). To JJ's school she reportedly said Charles killed himself. To Charles' children were who asking what happened, she told they had to wait for medical examiner.
She should just pick one story and stick to it.

There is one good thing that comes out of all of that. That Lori tells multiple stories and has a propensity to avoid the truth is very revealing of character. So at least there’s one thing in this crazy mess we know for sure: We can’t trust anything Lori says. Or does. Or thinks.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I came at the same information from the CDC which is more user friendly with descriptions, IMO.

Idaho - Coroner/ME Laws | CDC

I have a family member certified and trained as a Medicolegal Death Investigator. One of the first things they are taught when they go for that training is if you want to get away with murder, do it in a state where coroners are elected. In Idaho the coroner is elected. Requirements are US Citizen, at least 21 years old, resides in the county where they are elected, and will go to training in the future. That is it. No prior medical training required.

I don't see anything wrong with what the coroner did here. There are 3 situations that require investigation.
Stillborn baby, No.
Apparent violence/suicide/homicide. No, not apparent.
Suspicious or unknown circumstances. TD died at home in bed, that is known. Suspicious? In hindsight, sure.

The coroner's duty for a death not attended by or certified by a physician is only to report it to the Sheriff, which was clearly done here. Had TD died in a state with a Medical Examiner's office instead of a coroner system the autopsy would have been required by law.

From your link, this is my hangup. Jmo

2) If a death occurs that is not attended by a physician and the cause of death cannot be certified by a physician, the coroner must refer the investigation of the death to the sheriff of the county or the chief of police of the city in which the incident causing the death occurred or, if such county or city is unknown, to the sheriff or chief of police of the county or city where the body was found. The investigation shall be the responsibility of the sheriff or chief of police . . .

Idaho Code Ann. § 19-4301.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

TR drives a green Jeep Cherokee (per VI)

The Jeep was green

The green Jeep Cherokee I mentioned is green? Or do you have a source that the Jeep Wrangler, reported here on WS as silver, is actually green?

 

[indicolite22]

I tried this before but I'll try again;
LV drives a Nissan Rogue, dark blue? maybe black? (seen on video at storage facility)
AC drives a Ford pick-up, silver/gray. (seen on video at storage facility and described on bodycam video July 11)
TR drives a green Jeep Cherokee (per VI)

I have also read there maybe a silver Jeep Wrangler in the mix but don't know where that information came from.

There is an Infiniti seen on camera at the home in Chandler on July 11.

Any other vehicles?
Does anyone have info on the silver Jeep Wrangler?

Apparently @RexburgSleuth was asked about seeing the Jeep Wrangler in Rexburg by the police, as well as about the Rogue and the F150:

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #8

So far we have no known indication that the white/silver Wrangler or the green Cherokee were ever seen in Rexburg, but we know that the Cherokee (registered to Charles) was involved in the murder attempt on Brandon in Gilbert on October 2.

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

From your link, this is my hangup. Jmo

2) If a death occurs that is not attended by a physician and the cause of death cannot be certified by a physician, the coroner must refer the investigation of the death to the sheriff of the county or the chief of police of the city in which the incident causing the death occurred or, if such county or city is unknown, to the sheriff or chief of police of the county or city where the body was found. The investigation shall be the responsibility of the sheriff or chief of police . . .

Idaho Code Ann. § 19-4301.

But that is what I am saying when, IMO, the coroner didn't do anything wrong. His/Her job in this case is only to refer the matter to the sheriff because the death is "unattended", usually meaning it didn't happen in a hospital. The coroner does not usually start an investigation into a death, the sheriff does.

I'm not saying there shouldn't have been an investigation, I'm trying to figure out the chain of command.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Apparently @RexburgSleuth was asked about seeing it in Rexburg by the police, as well as about the Rogue and the F150:

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #8

So far we have no known indication that the white/silver Wrangler or the green Cherokee were ever seen in Rexburg, but we know that the Cherokee was involved in the murder attempt on Brandon in Gilbert on October 2.

And was the black Infiniti ever seen anywhere other than the garage on the day of Charles' murder?? (There's enough clarity in the images to see that the vehicle in the garage is absolutely not the Nissan Rogue, right?)

 

[IronOrchid]

Apparently @RexburgSleuth was asked about seeing it in Rexburg by the police, as well as about the Rogue and the F150:

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #8

So far we have no known indication that the white/silver Wrangler or the green Cherokee were ever seen in Rexburg, but we know that the Cherokee was involved in the murder attempt on Brandon in Gilbert on October 2.

And was the black Infiniti ever seen anywhere other than the garage on the day of Charles' murder?? (There's enough clarity in the images to see that the vehicle in the garage is absolutely not the Nissan Rogue, right?)

Wait, weird question: did Lori and Chad sell their cars before their Hawaii escape?

 

[fred&edna]

From your link, this is my hangup. Jmo

2) If a death occurs that is not attended by a physician and the cause of death cannot be certified by a physician, the coroner must refer the investigation of the death to the sheriff of the county or the chief of police of the city in which the incident causing the death occurred or, if such county or city is unknown, to the sheriff or chief of police of the county or city where the body was found. The investigation shall be the responsibility of the sheriff or chief of police . . .

Idaho Code Ann. § 19-4301.

Do you (or anyone) remember the WS post - he/she stated that one of their family members worked for Fremont Co sheriff's office and responded to the Daybell home when notified of TD's death?
(It was many threads back and I'm not even sure how to search for it now )

 

[CSIDreamer]

Do you (or anyone) remember the WS post - he/she stated that one of their family member worked for Fremont Co sheriff's office and responded to the Daybell home when notified of TD's death?
(It was many threads back and I'm not even sure how to search for it now )

Not really but I'll see if I can find it. Jmo

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

...was asked about seeing the Jeep Wrangler in Rexburg by the police, as well as about the Rogue and the F150:

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #8

So far we have no known indication that the white/silver Wrangler or the green Cherokee were ever seen in Rexburg, but we know that the Cherokee (registered to Charles) was involved in the murder attempt on Brandon in Gilbert on October 2.

...the Green Jeep Cherokee was Tylee's Jeep involved in BB shooting...

My bad. In reading the quote about the green Jeep Cherokee being Tylee's Jeep I assumed that meant the green Jeep Cherokee was seen by the VI in Rexburg. Now that I reread it more carefully there is no indication it was seen in Rexburg.

 

[Gardener1850]

Bringing this over from the media thread to reply here:

@Gardener1850

When is the last time anyone saw either kid in person?

Like what is the last date we know they were 100% alive? (i.e. not messaging)

Joshua was last seen Sept 23rd, 2019 at his school in Rexburg. Lori went to the school the next day without him and unenrolled him, saying she was going to homeschool him.

Tylee was last seen "sometime in Sept" by a neighbor in Rexburg. We don't have an exact date of when she was seen in Sept but this is the neighbor that helped them move in and said also he only met Tylee once. Her birthday is Sept 24th but no relatives have mentioned seeing or talking to Tylee on her birthday.

 

[fred&edna]

Not really but I'll see if I can find it. Jmo

I found it! Thought it would be much more difficult (oh me of little faith!) I wonder if this poster has additional insight?? @lurker042

"... However, that being said, my niece is a deputy for Fremont county. She responded to the Daybell house the day Tammy died and Chad refused to have bishopric notified which is unusual."

ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #3

 

[Alpha Bravo]

If someone shot at me at my own house, with anything I didn't immediately know was a squirt gun, a Nerf or a popper toy, I would be so out of there. Maybe people in their neighborhood pull pranks that involve shooting at people, but I just don't think I'd have a sense of humor about that at all.

This story has people dropping dead, trespassing, going missing, getting shot at, divorcing and remarrying like people are disposable, killing people, abandoning their kids and in the end -- the people suspected at being at the center of it all are at a resort in Hawaii. If this is all one big unfortunate coincidental misunderstanding, I need to get some lottery numbers from them.

What's crazy is, that Tammy had absolutely no clue as to what was up with the Real Chad Daybell. Didn't know about his new gf offing her husband, ditching her special needs child's dog... then ditching her own kids. In preparation for Chad to ditch her.

 

[ThinkoutLoud]

Exactly. There was no reason that cop gave for wanting to clean up blood, other than he decided to do so before Alex came back. Which is bizarre. Chandler police should be asked why their cop was cleaning up blood at the scene he should have been investigating.

I wonder if the officer cleaning up the blood was the same one who interviewed Alex. In the body-cam video of that interview, he seemed very aware of and concerned about Lori and Tylee. My impression was that he was a caring person, concerned about the “victims” in the case. It’s possible that the officer, whether it was this one or not, was trying to prevent a child from seeing her father’s (or step-father’s if he knew the actual relationship) blood on the floor. I agree it could be suspicious or strange but I also think it could have been a protective/ kind impulse not uncommon to a good police officer. —MOO