Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #14

[tresir2012]

Not sure it is connected but this group is also going to Hawaii in July to witness the Second Coming of Christ.

DOTARK(TM) HAWAII 2020 - THE GREAT REFRESHING - Jesus Walks on the Water

I am scratching my head over this. The cruise is already half full.

 

[CSIDreamer]

"Leave us alone," she said.

Dateline NBC airing 2 hour special on Daybell case with new footage of couple at Hawaii resort | East Idaho News

Oh no no no sweetie. You put yourself in the limelight. You are THERE until we, collectively, decide you aren't public enemy #1. Jmo.

 

[Bray2020]

i do want to look into this a bit.. I lived in the area where Mary Baker Eddy grew up and spread her doctrine and have always been fascinated, but know nothing about Elizabeth Clare. HOWEVER...with our case at hand, do we have anyone on the thread that does have more wisdom about the specifics of the July 2020 prophecy..... Is there ANYTHING about Hawaii that feeds into that prophecy. I certainly have studied/been told of the Western American connections to Joseph Smith's prophecies.......but is there anything at all that connects HI. I know we just keep thinking about HI as the high-style getaway...????

There's a prophecy from Joseph Fielding Smith that some think applies to Hawaii, but others think it's about a town here in Utah called Iosepa. It's called the Laie Prophecy. I don't think it has a specific time attached to it, but it states that Hawaii is suppose to be a place of gathering for the saints. There's a lot of info about it on byustudies.byu.edu, and I'm pretty sure it was to encourage Hawaiians to stay in Hawaii and wait for a temple to be built there, instead of coming to Utah, but I could see Chad and Lori repurposing something like that to fit the narrative they're creating.

 

[CSIDreamer]

There's a prophecy from Joseph Fielding Smith that some think applies to Hawaii, but others think it's about a town here in Utah called Iosepa. It's called the Laie Prophecy. I don't think it has a specific time attached to it, but it states that Hawaii is suppose to be a place of gathering for the saints. There's a lot of info about it on byustudies.byu.edu, and I'm pretty sure it was to encourage Hawaiians to stay in Hawaii and wait for a temple to be built there, instead of coming to Utah, but I could see Chad and Lori repurposing something like that to fit the narrative they're creating.

There are temples all over the place, though. Is SLC the most holy or something? Jmo

 

[jjenny]

Interesting. Could Lori be hiding the kids for cash? Wanting cash from KW? I can't see who would want to be involved in that mess.

How does one hide kids of cash? She never contacted KW asking for cash in exchange for a kid. Kids being hidden doesn't really provide her with any cash.

 

[tresir2012]

Wondering if TD was taking supplements for her running and race training that could have been substituted by a malicious actor.

Hmmm. Interesting thought. I will check out the company and person I am thinking of.

Melaleuca company in Rexburg with MB new husband IP as one source.

 

[FindingJoLee]

Just wondering....

Has anyone gone back to check whether anything about Melani's hearing last Tuesday has been posted? I don't remember how to get to the court information.

 

[tresir2012]

How does one hide kids of cash? She never contacted KW asking for cash in exchange for a kid. Kids being hidden doesn't really provide her with any cash.

Like a ransom. That would be a crime though wouldn't it? Can you kidnap and ransom your own kids?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Agreed! This is also a goi just hod time for doomsday prophecies with the coronavirus and other instability in the world. Chad and Lori are getting a lot of publicity, which could be boosting his popularity.

I swear this data is available......I don't know ow to get book sales data...but others here have expressed that they do. I just don't buy it...

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Wait, is this Charles?

Somehow I had not pictured quite such a dynamic good-looking person. But I guess LV wouldn't go for second class...

Everything has pointed to Charles as being successful, dynamic, athletic...... i don't remember seeing anything else but....

 

[Jethro4WS]

Embalming fluid itself contains formaldehyde. So even if they were to find formaldehyde, there would be no way to prove it was administered prior to death vs. after she was embalmed.

Well, yes it does. The question would be whether the liver would metabolize any of it or there would be any other indication of its presence while the person was still alive as after death there would not be any metabolism going on. So it would be a situation where you aren't looking for the presence of a substance but rather the effects it would cause to what was living tissue.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Like a ransom. That would be a crime though wouldn't it? Can you kidnap and ransom your own kids?

I think KW and LW would have turned the $$ over immediately. Jmo

 

[tresir2012]

I've been thinking about how these two are financing their lives in paradise. If Chad truly does have a following, maybe supporters are sending him money. It's so easy to get people to send someone they admire and like money. It's even easier to get people to do that if they think the person is a prophet. I'm sure some of you have heard about the lady that started the alien reptile cult. She never met her followers, but she made a comfy six figure salary by publishing a few obscure books and creating Youtube videos. Maybe Chad's "followers" are still getting his messages from the AVOW private forum...IMO.

that’s a serious underground forum then.
Surely those followers also have access to the news and see what they’re really supporting?

Funny how the book he was going to make into a film is called "Chasing Paradise".

 

[CSIDreamer]

Funny how the book he was going to make into a film is called "Chasing Paradise".

"Paradise by the Flashing Red Lights". They got a bit of a pressure cooker going.

 

[BigAl16]

There are temples all over the place, though. Is SLC the most holy or something? Jmo

This is true now, but that's because the last few decades they've been on a massive building spree. From Wikipedia, the current count is "There are 167 dedicated temples (158 currently operating; and 6 previously dedicated, but closed for renovation), 15 under construction, and 35 announced (not yet under construction), for a total of 217."

50 years ago that count was in the 10-15 range. I think Hawaii was one of those 10-15, but wouldn't have been when JFS said whatever he did.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Here is the part of the timeline that suggests to me he could have been in Hawaii when Lori and Tylee were there. It is my speculation only because they were at a Boise conference together then Lori is in Kauai for a month with Tylee.

Feb 2019 - CV learned Lori was going to Boise with a friend for a talk or conference; CV and his lawyers made attempts to serve Lori divorce papers and order of protection papers at the airport, a hotel, and a public event. All attempts to find Lori were unsuccessful (Fox 10 Phoenix; Post Register).

15-16 Feb 2019 – Chad attends a 2-day event in Boise and Middleton, ID. Chad Speaks at the event on Feb 16. The organizers of the event say this is the last time Chad spoke at one of their events (Event Flyer, PAP Media Statement).

Feb 2019 – CV hears that Lori is living with her brother Alex in San Tan Valley, AZ. CV then attempts to serve Lori with papers at AC’s house but that too was unsuccessful, despite the fact that both Lori & AC’s cars were in the driveway at AC’s home (Post Register).

Feb 2019 - Lori and Tylee checked into a Kauai resort after CV filed for divorce. They stayed for around a month, according to resort workers, and then returned to the mainland (EastIdahoNews).

Thank you so much...adds a lot of info...and SO many more questions, so I hope you stay with me!! Someone else informed me that LV was at the conference in Boise in February.. Got that. (Not sure how verified, but assume to be true). Are you saying that the lawyers with the divorce papers tried to find her in BOISE (indicating to me that CV knew exactly where she was). And within some unknown timeframe she goes to her brothers in San Tan Valley. (Now this is interesting to me because I thought he was in Chandler or Gilbert....but most research I have done certainly puts his and Lori's father in San Tan Valley). Do we have any specific date that Lori and TR went to Kauai? And to what place. And where in heavens name was JJ during this sojourn to Kauai???????? I am sorry for all the questions...............but nothing so far really shows/proves/leads to the fact that Chad was also in Kauai...

 

[nhmemorymaker]

BBM - In speaking from experience, I didn't realize how bad things were until I moved away from my home when I was 18 (for college). Getting away from it was really illuminating, and I could clearly understand that my mom was absolutely not like other people. But brainwashing and constant exposure to something (manipulation, neglect or even abuse) can keep things pretty cloudy and confusing, in my experience. In addition, when younger siblings are involved, whom you really care about, you are stuck whether you realize it or not because you know on some level that leaving them (staying in AZ in this case) could cause them (in this case JJ) harm. What I saw in Tylee in the bodycam video after CVs shooting was a young girl who is in a consistent state of self-preservation (and probably also JJ preservation), as well as someone who is attempting to self-soothe and deal with a fight-or-flight response. MOO

oh how painful and true this sounds........isn't it is just so painful... sometimes I just sit back and think how could these children go through this much dysfunction and pain.

 

[justice be served]

Can anyone here imagine waking up in the morning and your spouse is dead on the floor next to the bed - one who was relatively young and very physically active - and you don't want to know why she died? It is just not even conceivable to me that you would not want to have an autopsy and find that out? Crazy to me. Sorry, just spouting off with frustration with these people!

 

[jjenny]

Everything has pointed to Charles as being successful, dynamic, athletic...... i don't remember seeing anything else but....

Yep, sure did.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

He could have found a reason to go there and see Lori but let's not forgot Chad was still married to Tammy. So there would have to be a believable reason for him to go to Hawaii in the middle of winter without Tammy. Or he lied about where he was going and Tammy didn't find out. I'm not sure if Chad could pull that off since Tammy did their finances. But cheaters have found ways to see each other in other cases so I suppose we can't rule your theory out. MOO.

True....but not evidence that he was there.