Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #14

[nhmemorymaker]

Welcome!

Appreciate the scientific facts! Thanks.

 

[indicolite22]

The dates of Lori's account accessing the system from the screenshots provided by the school are -

7th Sep 2019
21st Nov "
9th Dec "
20th Dec "
8th Jan 2020
31st Jan "
4th Feb "

There are 75 days or 2.5 months between the first two dates. It's unlikely that this was her communication channel.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I'm jumping out on a limb and agreeing with whomever said that Lori was clearly signing onto the LIFE Academy board to see if people were talking about her; or if the administrator(s) had made any type of statements about Lori, LIFE, media investigations, and/or media questions.

Not quite sure where the theory that Lori was really using this app to look at lesson plans for someone else in the secret bunker homeschooling JJ would come from; as even the Facebook post from the academy points out that JJ was unenrolled by Lori. Also, surely Lori wasn't to know that her access to the LIFE interface would continue, so such an option couldn't seriously be part of any alternative schooling for JJ, IMO.

 

[Tortoise]

There are 75 days or 2.5 months between the first two dates. It's unlikely that this was her communication channel.

What do you mean by communication channel?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I believe that also but trying to look at all potential causes. For example opioid od can cause similar. It’s a shame the autopsy results aren’t back yet or being released as it would give us some direction as to what has happened. I understand though that even if they were LE won’t be releasing anything crucial to the investigation. MOO

Right. I feel so certain they have oodles of evidence......... they just have to make it stick and really stink. But I am more and more convinced that LE knows they have them and under constant surveillance...like, they aren't goin anywhere for a while. ...but IMO, LE still doesn't know the whereabouts of the kids, and they are holding out there. I am starting to think that someone else might crack first--not Lv or CD.

 

[indicolite22]

What do you mean by communication channel?

We don't know the features of the stystem yet, but if for example, private communication among parents was possible, she could have used it to relay messages to her friends and possibly to someone who had the children.

 

[Tortoise]

We don't know the features of the stystem yet, but if for example, private communication among parents was possible, she could have used it to relay messages to her friends and possibly to someone who had the children.

Ah, okay. Thanks.

 

[kye0001]

Right. I feel so certain they have oodles of evidence......... they just have to make it stick and really stink. But I am more and more convinced that LE knows they have them and under constant surveillance...like, they aren't goin anywhere for a while. ...but IMO, LE still doesn't know the whereabouts of the kids, and they are holding out there. I am starting to think that someone else might crack first--not Lv or CD.

I’m sure plenty of people have started talking to the police and/or FBI. Nobody likes crimes against children and nobody wants to be tied to it. LV and CD won’t get away with this forever, it’s just agonising waiting for justice to be served. MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

There's a prophecy from Joseph Fielding Smith that some think applies to Hawaii, but others think it's about a town here in Utah called Iosepa. It's called the Laie Prophecy. I don't think it has a specific time attached to it, but it states that Hawaii is suppose to be a place of gathering for the saints. There's a lot of info about it on byustudies.byu.edu, and I'm pretty sure it was to encourage Hawaiians to stay in Hawaii and wait for a temple to be built there, instead of coming to Utah, but I could see Chad and Lori repurposing something like that to fit the narrative they're creating.

WEll...thank you very very much. I will definitely go to the byustudies web pages to see if i can learn more. Hawaii itself just might be more of the picture.

 

[Secretly a Secretary]

Have they released the company name of the parent communication system used?
This could be huge! Or nothing other than an swiping or opening messages depending on the system used. Our district has something called a parent portal where parents and students can check everything from lunch balance to grades. This is synced to a separate communication platform. I could easily pull up a report of who read/opened what through admin on the communication platform. Parents could communicate with teachers but it ours was not a group chat. But plenty of teachers/coaches used other apps like Remind, GroupMe, Hudl, etc... for that because our last system was unreliable.
Now if it was a parent portal, that would be really interesting!!! Because although I rarely check the portal, my daughter does often.
IMO!!

 

[Rush4087]

3 a days? I keep thinking about Chad’s motives - could the sex really be that good?

What a slam on men. The answer is no

Eta she's almost 50

 

[Secretly a Secretary]

February 21, 2019 Officials at school report Lori being MIA to CPS? This is a head scratcher to me. I am assuming that J.J. was in Charles’s care at this point? Why would the school report Lori to CPS? At a public school it is not unusual for a parent to walk out of the picture. Sad but true. If he was being cared for Charles why would they alert CPS? There would be more to the story than her just taking off to warrant a hotline call, in my opinion.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

As to the school app thing, I think Tylee has been JJ's primary caregiver since CV's death and maybe even before that. If she is alive, who's to say she wasn't provided a burner phone so she could access the internet and not be bored. Maybe JJ has asked her about his friends and she downloaded the app and checks the school. If this is the case, LE will soon have an IP address. Those kids may end up the run once LV sees this news. I hope all LE eyes are open.

[/QUOTE] In fact, it is a circumstantial evidential point that could point to a crime, in combination with other circumstantial evidential.

IMO there is at least probable cause here, but the main issue is, we are not sure which crime was committed.

That is the imbroglio in these kinds of obfuscation cases.

which crime was committed?

I suspect this is going to become one of the most famous of the genre[/QUOTE]

Why don't they start with obstructing official business and go from there. I imagine though that this is probably only a misdemeanor as it is in many other places, but I would think they would at least have that if and when they are ready to move on any felony charges they can come up with. Does anyone know if there is any felony version of this charge in Idaho?

 

[tresir2012]

Ok so those dates seem to roughly tie in with these pretty important events in the timeline, so it looks to me like Lori is checking in to maybe see what is being said about her and Jj at that school. The intervals are roughly 2.25 months, 3 weeks, 1.5 weeks, 2.5 weeks, 3.5 weeks, 1.3 weeks, 4 days. If it was for educational reasons, then I think it would be more regular and not have the long gap at the beginning. The story broke on the 20th December I believe.

7th Sep 2019 no JJ at school and letter
21st Nov " 2 days after first LE visit
9th Dec " in Hawaii for 2nd time
20th Dec " Kids are first posted missing
8th Jan 2020 KW PC $20k reward offer
31st Jan " CR youtube
4th Feb " CR interview 2nd Feb

 

[nhmemorymaker]

WEll...thank you very very much. I will definitely go to the byustudies web pages to see if i can learn more. Hawaii itself just might be more of the picture.

"the Iosepa origin of joseph F Smith's laie prophecy tradition attributes to Joseph F Smith a prophecy about Laie Hawaii but his words may have been directed to the hawaiian colony in utahs west desert". "at that time tradition has it the hawaiian saints who had gathered to laie were discouraged by drought harsh living conditions and barren land some even wanted to sell laie and find a different gathering place in response president smith is supposed to have made a prophecy encouraging the saints to stay at laie promising that the barren land would become beautiful and prosperous." Reading this IS fascinating. 33.1davisiosepa-b5507da6-f727-4bad-8504-3602ef44fac7

 

[jjenny]

Alex had guns. If he wanted to kill himself, IMO he would have shot himself. Much quicker , less suffering and more certainty than poison.

Absolutely. If Alex wanted to kill himself he likely would have used guns. He also doesn't strike me as a suicidal type. And he has just gotten married less than two weeks prior. I don't think Alex' demise is a suicide.

 

[jjenny]

She was participating and training for a 5k run that was coming up. So I don't believe it is likely.

She also had children, grandchildren, seemed happy, active in her church, and not a single person (that I know of) has said Tammy ever exhibited suicidal tendencies. So I think chances of Tammy's committing suicide are slim to none (zero).

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Seems to me the school should have allowed LE to continue to monitor logins. Why terminate access when we want to know what she is doing?

We don't know that LE wasn't already aware of this and the school release wasn't made at the behest of LE to put the pressure on perhaps prompting someone to make a move that LE can follow.

 

[Gardenkeep]

Dateline is airing a story called "Where are the Children?" about the Daybell case Friday 2/14. I didn't see it mentioned in the last couple of pages, but if it has been mentioned, my apologies for redundancy.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

The dates of Lori's account accessing the system from the screenshots provided by the school are -

7th Sep 2019
21st Nov "
9th Dec "
20th Dec "
8th Jan 2020
31st Jan "
4th Feb "

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2547527728868501

This is a selection of events in our timeline -

Abt 19 Nov 2019 – About a week before conducting a welfare check on JJ and Tylee, a police officer came to SB’s door asking questions about Lori and her children. SB is the neighbor who had helped Lori move into her Rexburg townhouse with the children in Sept 2019 (Fox 13 Salt Lake City).

10 Dec 2019 – An anonymous resident of Kauai says Lori and Chad arrived on the island around 12/10. The source says he never saw JJ & Tylee, but Lori & Chad were often by the pool (Fox10 Phoenix).

20 Dec 2019 - Rexburg Police post on facebook asking for help locating the endangered missing children, JJ and Tylee. They call the death of Tammy suspicious and say it is thought to be linked to the missing children. Rexburg Police Department

20 Dec 2019 - Rexburg PD said the parents are not cooperating with officers’ attempts to check on the welfare of the children.

8 Jan 2020 - The former attorneys of the late Charles Vallow say that CV filed an order of protection against Lori in Feb 2019 and told his attorneys, “Steve, I want to make sure that everyone knows that if something happens to me, Lori & Alex did it.” The lawyers say they could not find Lori in Feb 2019 to serve her with the order of protection papers and they even tried looking for her in Idaho (Fox 10 Phoenix).

8 Jan 2020 – A hotel employee says that she expected CV and JJ to return to the hotel for breakfast on July 11 but instead police came to the hotel and informed her CV was dead (Fox 10 Phoenix).

31 Jan 2020 – Summaries of Chandler PD interviews of Lori & Tylee from the July 11, 2019 shooting death of Lori’s 4th husband Charles Vallow are released by Justin Lum, Fox10 Phoenix.

It would be interesting to put the login dates in the complete timeline to see who is prompting whose moves in an LV vs. LE sense, if any. @Gardener1850 ?